[boxinghris]

How many of you bought the LPS without backing a pulse? Is this seriously a backlash because you can't use the USB filtering, the secondary feature with other DACs in the interimcbecause they're implemented in a way that LH didn't expect?

Seriously, this is sort of bonkers. Having worked on a lot of USB Audio Class 2 support for mobile devices, I can tell you no one follows anything sane. The only one consistent is that mediocre sounding devices like the Herus have the best compatibility.

Honestly, in LH's shoes, I'd stay off the forums. Just communicate in one single list expected ship date + delays without reasons, and leave places like this alone. The feedback here isn't actionable and it costs a lot of man hours filtering the noise from useful comments.

"Is this seriously a backlash because you can't use the USB filtering, the secondary feature with other DACs in the interimcbecause they're implemented in a way that LH didn't expect?"
 
Other DACs conform to an industry standard, so manufacturers know exactly what to expect.  If LH didn't expect other DACs to conform to an agreed standard, where does the fault lie?

 

[boxinghris]

   
exactly.  heck, as a contributor and hopeful recipient for some great audio gear (Pulse X Infinity) at a price point I never would have been able/willing to stomach at "MSRP" or retail prices-
even I am sick of the customer quibbling.  no one is satisfied with anything, ever on head-fi.  it's a constant climb up a ladder made of twine, and when a company with crowd development makes any errors it's never tolerated.  even when forthcoming firmware or updates will fix the issues.
could response be quicker/better?  sure.
could folks act reasonable and find another course of action when they don't receive a timely or adequate reply?  apparently not.
 
 
 
sell the LPS if it doesn't work with USB stick DAC Y.  or  take the argument to the LH Labs forum or their support ticket system where action/response is more on target.
 
repeating the crying here on head-fi or other forums is simply trite.

"...sell the LPS if it doesn't work with USB stick DAC Y.  or  take the argument to the LH Labs forum or their support ticket system where action/response is more on target.
 
repeating the crying here on head-fi or other forums is simply trite."
 
 
Would that be the LH Labs Forum which bans those who post negative comments, and which equates negative to 'slanderous' (when libelous is the correct accusation when it's in print...)
 
I haven't read comments from anybody here 'crying', all I've seen are valid points/criticisms raised, and if they weren't valid they would be libelous and could be actionable which obviously isn't the case.
 
The only crying being done is by those who don't like to read criticism of a company they've bought into.

 

[gyx11]

wrong post

 

[jaywillin]

  I'm outta this thread for the time being.
 
I've had somewhat of a change of outlook over the last couple of days. Since I've paid for my ticket and am strapped to my seat with no exit button, might as well try and enjoy the ride. Maybe it'll all end in tears, but they say if you never try, you'll never know... right? From now onwards, I'll settle my gripes through the ticketing system (which will hopefully improve much more), and will stick to posting here only if I've genuine queries to clarify.
 
My last contribution to the thread is as such: browsing through head-fi, CA and the LHL forums for the better part of the morning, there are 4 general categories of people that I've noticed:
 
1) The insatiables. Everything in the universe is LHL's fault. They should have stopped World War 2. They're at fault for the economic downturn. Every news is bad news and translates to LHL concocting some tremendously evil plan to suck our wallets dry. I will not agree with anything you say unless you confess to me that LHL sucks. A change to the system failed and is sucky because I gave it one attempt for it to work and it didn't. Did I mention that LHL are a fraud? Larry is incompetent / Gavin is a sneaky ******* / Casey should have no emotions / Jody is a sly ****. Nobody, especially those from group 4, has crap on me because I'm the customer and I'm darn right or the time.
 
2) The long-goners. Half of these people are those who've committed to a Geek product at sometime, but have resigned to fate and are just waiting until a Pulse/Wave pops up at their doorstep one day. Till then, they're no longer bothered by anything to do with LHL. The other half are those whom at some point wished to try out something from the campaigns. They deliberated for a while, looked through the entirety of the campaign, dropped everything, raised their hands in exasperation, and left never to be seen again. A lot of very knowledgeable prominent forum-ers are part of this category.
 
3) The middlemen. Most of them have issues with how LHL have run their campaign. Many have continued to preach sensible patience and, for the most part, remained understanding. Some have voiced their feelings on the forums on a couple of occasions. Credits are given where credit is due. Criticisms are dealt when criticisms are due, in an entirely civil and appropriate way. These group of people have posts which are worth reading because they're able to remain objective and think from different perspectives outside their own. They are mostly also independent posters whom don't band together with others. Unfortunately, this is the smallest group of the pack.
 
4) Protectors of the realm. Nowhere to be seen when genuinely valid outpouring of frustrations happen. Pops up when someone from group 1 drops a clanger. They can sometimes be more predictable and irritating than those from group 1. Takes a double standard moral high-ground all the time by denouncing all criticisms, when their own repetitive explanatory arguments answers a multitude of questions... except that they don't answer the actual valid questions that were being asked in the first place. They have two main characteristics: 1. usually affluent people whom have little financial concern spewing for ultimate Geek-iness because they've already got some TOTL rig settled at home 2. one takes the lead and then you'll see the rest pop up in vigorous mutual support
 
Well I once thought I belonged to group 3, but now I fear I'm showing bipolar tendencies between group 1 and 4, so it's really time to just take a breather.
 
LHL will have now my backing till the end*. They have the amazing Geek Out to thank for that. Not to mention Larry's perky enthusiasm and Gavin's soft soothing voice, and maybe Casey's sunglasses. But please for the love of your consumers, sober up and stop with yet more new Geek ________ (insert audio related gear bedroom furniture) from spewing out.
 
*T&C still applies

well said !
 
i'm a number 3, who's beginning to flirt with number 1
exactly, its gotten like a snowball rolling downhill, it keeps getting bigger, going faster, and at some point, it's going to crash

 

[bitsnbytes]

Good observation
 
A bit of 1, 3, and 4, but I like to think I'm mostly 3. (Who ever thinks they're a bad driver or not humorous?) Going the same way, and heading to Exit #2...

 

[doctorjazz]

EVERYONE always thinks they are a 3, whatever someone else might think of their posts (myself included).

Back to beating a dead horse...wasn't the whole point of getting the LPS4 instead of the single unit so that you could connect more than 1 component to it? Sure, there are more LH products coming (eventually), but it was supposed to be of use now, or so I thought (I don't have a personal stake in this, waiting for a Vi).

 

[evillamer]

 

   
exactly.  heck, as a contributor and hopeful recipient for some great audio gear (Pulse X Infinity) at a price point I never would have been able/willing to stomach at "MSRP" or retail prices-
even I am sick of the customer quibbling.  no one is satisfied with anything, ever on head-fi.  it's a constant climb up a ladder made of twine, and when a company with crowd development makes any errors it's never tolerated.  even when forthcoming firmware or updates will fix the issues.
could response be quicker/better?  sure.
could folks act reasonable and find another course of action when they don't receive a timely or adequate reply?  apparently not.
 
 
 
sell the LPS if it doesn't work with USB stick DAC Y.  or  take the argument to the LH Labs forum or their support ticket system where action/response is more on target.
 
repeating the crying here on head-fi or other forums is simply trite.

"...sell the LPS if it doesn't work with USB stick DAC Y.  or  take the argument to the LH Labs forum or their support ticket system where action/response is more on target.
 
repeating the crying here on head-fi or other forums is simply trite."
 
 
Would that be the LH Labs Forum which bans those who post negative comments, and which equates negative to 'slanderous' (when libelous is the correct accusation when it's in print...)
 
I haven't read comments from anybody here 'crying', all I've seen are valid points/criticisms raised, and if they weren't valid they would be libelous and could be actionable which obviously isn't the case.
 
The only crying being done is by those who don't like to read criticism of a company they've bought into.

http://lhlabs.com/terms-privacy.html The 10 Commandments of the Geek Force

• You will not post any content, photos or videos that are pornographic, graphic or violent.
• You will not use this site to further any interest outside the scope of high-end audio.
• You will not, under any conditions SPAM.
• You will not personally attack anyone on this site for any reason (Argue the point, not the person.)
• You will stick to the topics of the groups you join.
• You will not brand bash.
• You will treat other members with respect.
• You will not purposefully try to irritate others.
• You will not use this site for anything illegal.
• You will be positive and conduct yourself in an honest and civil manner.

 
 
brand bashing is not allowed. So you cannot even say Beats Audio or Bose sucks there? hmm.. freedom of speech...

 

[greenkiwi]

brand bashing is not allowed. So you cannot even say Beats Audio or Bose sucks there? hmm.. freedom of speech...

it's a private forum... They set the rules and others play by them. Free speech is about government stopping free speech not a private entity.

 

[mandrake50]

it's a private forum... They set the rules and others play by them. Free speech is about government stopping free speech not a private entity.

Really? Free speech is either allowed or it is not, regardless of the entity allowing it or infringing upon it. The definition does not change based upon who is enforcing the rules.
Private parties may be able to regulate discussions in the private arena and not break any laws, but stifling comments does not fall under the category of fully allowing free speech.
 
In the specific case of LHL forums, that commandment about remaining positive can be applied to anyone trying to discuss any problems, regardless of how rational and civil the conversation might be.
After all, if one is having a problem it, by definition, is impacting that person negatively.

 

[doctorjazz]

I'm not sure of the "legalities" of LH monitoring and restricting their site's posts, I suspect their within their rights, but I'm not sure it accomplishes what it sets out to do (that is, generate positive feelings towards LH Labs...)
Mods here have the right to close threads for not following rules like, no comments in the old Deals Thread, for instance...it's not the public square, or even the open internet.

 

[greenkiwi]

Free speech, as protected by the first amendment is only protecting it from the government stopping or censoring it.

Neither here nor there... People react to posts being closed/blocked/etc and it is usually not the right way to go about it. I wasn't defending that it should be done, just that since it is a private entity, that can do what they would like... And people can choose to go there or not. And it isn't really on topic... So I'm done.

http://1forall.us/teach-the-first-amendment/the-first-amendment/#a4

 

[DiscoSmoke]

  "As long as you are not using the LPS to power a USB device, but just as a signal pass through, it should perform its isolation function".
 
So the universal USB standard - which was set so that the USB output could power devices - can be altered by individual manufacturers as they please, if it enhances the performance of their particular device?
 
You don't think that this kinda negates the whole idea of a 'standard' then?
 
Do you at least accept that the LH device does not adher to the USB standard?  If not I can provide a link to the actual document. 

I agree that they oversold its capabilities. It probably performs the isolation function very well.

 

[boxinghris]

   
 
brand bashing is not allowed. So you cannot even say Beats Audio or Bose sucks there? hmm.. freedom of speech..

 
      4. You will not personally attack anyone on this site for any reason (Argue the point, not the person.)
 
 
     Yet a member of their forum was personally attacked by a staff member posing as a customer, who was then outed?
 
     6.  You will not brand bash.
 
     Yet we have been led to believe that other DACs which are not compatible with an LH product are inferior designs, when the LH product is to fault?  
     Don't LH also raise funds by comparing their products with others which are named, and of course the LH measurements are always 'superior'?
 
     'Do as we say, not as we do' should be the forum motto.
 
      3. You will be positive and conduct yourself in an honest and civil manner.
 
      So basically ANY criticism is not allowed, which means the forum is only for promoting products, most of which will probably be LH as it's they who fund the forum.

 

[DiscoSmoke]

   
      4. You will not personally attack anyone on this site for any reason (Argue the point, not the person.)
 
 
     Yet a member of their forum was personally attacked by a staff member posing as a customer, who was then outed?
 
     6.  You will not brand bash.
 
     Yet we have been led to believe that other DACs which are not compatible with an LH product are inferior designs, when the LH product is to fault?  
     Don't LH also raise funds by comparing their products with others which are named, and of course the LH measurements are always 'superior'?
 
     'Do as we say, not as we do' should be the forum motto.
 
      3. You will be positive and conduct yourself in an honest and civil manner.
 
      So basically ANY criticism is not allowed, which means the forum is only for promoting products, most of which will probably be LH as it's they who fund the forum.

You've shown up here recently, intent on really driving this issue home. I consider Larry and Gavin's video to be their word on the subject, and nowhere in the video do they mention "inferior designs." Larry mentions recognizing a connection by sensing the differential pair rather than referencing signal to ground, and says he does not think that referencing the ground is the best design practice. "Inferior designs" are your words not his.

 

[doctorjazz]

To be fair, I have posted criticism on the LH forum, and haven't been banned, pulled off, or had negative consequences. Depends on the level of animus and the reasonableness of the complaint, I suppose.