FiiO X7 Mk II 2GB RAM + 64GB ROM + ESS9028 PRO + Balanced + DSD + BT 4.1 aptX + Dual mSD + Dual Band WiFi + Opt Out
Nov 6, 2017 at 3:03 AM Post #2,761 of 6,207
Just after X7 Mk2 arrived, I quickly connected it to Meze 99 Classics, bal output. Then removed card from old X7 and inserted into new X7. AM3A sounded dim, lazy, and almost cheap, no vibrant highs, no details, as I was accustomed to old X7. Then I thought: whelp, maybe you need to give it time to warm up electronics (infamous burn effect) couple of hours. And then gone to play some Destiny2. After couple of hours... Well, it didn't change much it's sound. So I removed AM3 from old X7 and connected to Mk2. Now, this is what I call my type of sound. After that, over an hour of changing between AM3 and AM3A proved, that AM3A lacks details in my perspective. And AM3 is still the best AMP for X7 family. Overall, disregarding AMP section, I think Mk2 has a little smoother sound, music has less problem going into your ears. Easy-going, maybe ? :D

Please regard it only as personal note, not for anything else.
 
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Nov 6, 2017 at 6:28 AM Post #2,763 of 6,207
Just after X7 Mk2 arrived, I quickly connected it to Meze 99 Classics, bal output. Then removed card from old X7 and inserted into new X7. AM3A sounded dim, lazy, and almost cheap, no vibrant highs, no details, as I was accustomed to old X7. Then I thought: whelp, maybe you need to give it time to warm up electronics (infamous burn effect) couple of hours. And then gone to play some Destiny2. After couple of hours... Well, it didn't change much it's sound. So I removed AM3 from old X7 and connected to Mk2. Now, this is what I call my type of sound. After that over an hour changing between AM3 and AM3A proved that AM3A lacks details in my perspective. And AM3 is still the best AMP for X7 family. Overall, disregarding AMP section, I think Mk2 has a little smoother, music has less problem going into your ears. Easy-going, maybe ? :D

Please regard it only as personal note, not for anything else.
I agree with that, I think am3a is not good at all.
especially as the latest amp we now have, I expect more from it, a significant improvement, but it turns out not really satisfying.
That's why I really hope fiio will give us new amp, like am2a
 
Nov 6, 2017 at 6:55 AM Post #2,764 of 6,207
Just after X7 Mk2 arrived, I quickly connected it to Meze 99 Classics, bal output. Then removed card from old X7 and inserted into new X7. AM3A sounded dim, lazy, and almost cheap, no vibrant highs, no details, as I was accustomed to old X7. Then I thought: whelp, maybe you need to give it time to warm up electronics (infamous burn effect) couple of hours. And then gone to play some Destiny2. After couple of hours... Well, it didn't change much it's sound. So I removed AM3 from old X7 and connected to Mk2. Now, this is what I call my type of sound. After that, over an hour of changing between AM3 and AM3A proved, that AM3A lacks details in my perspective. And AM3 is still the best AMP for X7 family. Overall, disregarding AMP section, I think Mk2 has a little smoother sound, music has less problem going into your ears. Easy-going, maybe ? :D
AM3A is lower powered version of AM3 mainly shooting for IEMs and to save battery use.
Therefore, IMHO, for X7mk2, if you need a balanced output, better go with AM3. In my case, I need higher power than AM3 (especially for HE1kv2) and don't care much about balanced, AM5 is a real winner.
 
Nov 6, 2017 at 8:39 AM Post #2,767 of 6,207
Hi.

What is the average battery time with the AM5 compared to the AM3A?

Regards

Darren
I get about 6 hours with AM5. Since I swapped AM3A right away when I got my X7mk2, I do not have enough experience with the battery life on AM3A.
 
Nov 6, 2017 at 8:40 AM Post #2,768 of 6,207
Hello, I'm using a X7II with Denon D7200. It's easy to drive but I want more coming from it. Can anyone recommended me a decent portable amp around 200$ go well with them? Thanks
Why don't you try AM5 amp unit, which is just about $100. It sounds great.
 
Nov 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM Post #2,770 of 6,207
I already have one, the shop owner gave me as a gift when I bought the headphone and the dap together
That's great. Then there is no need to look for a separate portable amp. I'm quite happy with X7mk2/AM5 combo.
 
Nov 6, 2017 at 10:51 AM Post #2,771 of 6,207
I would recommend Neutron, it is a really nice app.

Had issues with setting Viper to work properly so far. One reason or another, it just won't run properly for me, so I gave up on trying it or mentioning it. Would rather prefer to use the EQ built in an app to make for a smoother user experience.
The Viper Effects work very well in the Standard FiiO Music app.
 
Nov 6, 2017 at 4:37 PM Post #2,773 of 6,207
I've used this a lot when asked - so forgive me if I copy and paste again:

The specs will actually tell you more than your hearing will. Take the X7ii and its new balanced module.

It'll put 17mW into a 300 ohm load SE but 63 mW into the same load balanced. The voltage is also up. So if you're driving a load which requires a lot of voltage and is reasonably high impedance (eg like an HD650) there will be benefits. Not in the architecture, but in the power.

Look at the same load into an IEM though - say around 16 ohm. SE is 200 mW and balanced is 380 mW. Balanced must be better right? Not really. Balanced will chew the battery quicker, and both outputs would drive practically any IEM into the regions of deafening you. And its the same for the 32ohm load. Both are essentially over-kill.

Now lets look at the real differences - those bits that people make claims on. Remember how balanced is always cleaner, darker, more spacious, wider sound-stage ....... :) Lets look at cleaner first. SNR on SE is 116 dB and on balanced is 119 dB. Both are beyond what we can hear - so no difference. Both have THD measurements at 0.003% = beyond our hearing. You'll get a magnitude more distortion from your earphones. Now the important one - crosstalk (channel separation). SE is 73 dB and balanced is 97 dB. That must make a big difference - right?

I'm going to quote something bookmarked a long time ago:


As you can see, SE crosstalk at 73 dB and balanced at 97 dB actually means nothing - we can't hear it.

What essentially happens is two things.
  1. People read the specs, and tell themselves balanced must sound better, and thats what they talk themselves into. In a blind volume matched test, they won't tell a difference.
  2. Most people don't volume match, and we are terrible at volume matching by ear (which is what a lot of people do). Most balanced circuits output a lot more power by design - therefore they are louder. People saying they hear a difference are often simply listening to one louder than the other. And we know louder is perceived as sounding better.
There are two other possibilities for differences:
  • The balanced circuit actually sounds better by design (unlikely given FiiO's expertise)
  • Impedance mismatch can affect frequency response for multi-BA driver set-ups (rarely happens with dynamics). You'll note the 12 ohm (SE) vs 1.7 ohm (bal) output.
Hope some of this makes sense. Most of the balanced discussion on Head-Fi is (IMO) snake-oil. Especially when you're talking IEMs and portable DAPs. It sells units though - so manufacturers have to supply what the consumers want.
I agree with you completely.
I never could find a difference between SE and balanced except more power, no matter how many times I tested. When people say they find the sound is improved with their $$$ cable, I always wonder how!!!!
 
Nov 6, 2017 at 7:01 PM Post #2,774 of 6,207
@ Brooko, I appreciate your run through of balanced vs se and the potential impacts to produced output. Having said that, I think the last bit about snake oil as regards IEMs and portables is just a bit too absolute. There is a lot of cable-centric snake oil out there, but you have to consider that several of the upper tier IEM are extremely sensitive, meaning they have extremely low impedance. A mismatch really affects sound on those low z IEM and is not an uncommon configuration to run across here on Head-fi. I'd been scratching my head on why I got such an improvement out of my se846 with my nothing-special balanced cable. I did consider volume, but in trying to replicate the fully developed sound (especially low end) I got from the balanced cable I am 100% positive I drove them louder with the se cable just trying to replicate the sound with increased level, but never got there. Not saying they sound bad single ended, but using the balanced out is a significant difference with these phones for me.

Still scratching my head a little....if the se output is indeed 12 ohm, than I get the difference, it is a better match with low z phones at 1.7 ohm. Why I'm scratching my head, and why I never really considered impedance as the answer for my differences is the spec sheet I looked at had the se output at 1.2 ohms, not 12. Not sure which is the right number now, but knowing that could solve my riddle.
 

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