Maybe I'm completely insane......
All these "tests" were performed after setting the volume to a reasonable listening level,
source is always from a computer via USB,
headphones are always Shure SE210 IEMs,
gains are all set to 0 dB:
Trying E12 driven from the iBasso D12 DAC line out jack...........very quiet, i.e. can't hear no stinkin' noise!
Let's try the E17 VIA USB input
while it's Charging........basically very quiet, but has a very faint bzzzz! Easily ignored! I was using this as an Amp + DAC.
The iBasso D12 headphone jack via USB
while it's Charging.........another quiet amp + DAC
Matrix M Stage headphone amp, driven from iBasso DAC line out jack, a very faint bzzzz, independent of volume. Hiss is inaudible at a reasonable volume level.