FiiO BTR3-The World' First Bluetooth Headphone Amplifier, SBC/AAC/aptX/aptX LL/aptX HD/LDAC/HWA (LHDC)
May 2, 2019 at 1:51 PM Post #1,216 of 1,870
Trues about NCT and the microphone quality problem:
sebox @ 12/17/18 13:37 said:
In it, I met the parameters associated with the microphone, try to play with them, like there you can even cut down the noise reduction.
The fact is that csr8675 allows you to programmatically adjust the microphone gain. In the program for ES100, the microphone sensitivity setting is implemented. There it is used to mix sounds from the street to the music you are listening to. But in general, the microphone gain in our boxes is automatic (AGC) and the possibility to adjust the gain doesn't make much of a sense to me.

But noise cancellation in BTR3 (and not only) is more of a marketing trick, because at least two microphones are necessary for it to work. csr8675 chip can subtract the noise signal from the useful signal, if both of these signals are given to it from two microphones. But in case of BTR3 there is only one microphone hole.

I listen to the recording of my conversations on the street. When it is made simply from a smartphone, the absence of street noise is clearly audible, noise cancellation works. There are two microphones in my smart. In the recording of a conversation from BTR3, I clearly hear everything happening on the street, I can be heard loudly (because I’m talking in the hole) and all the traffic in the background, car signals and other sounds are heard quite strongly.

Here is the scheme csr8675 where you can see the connection of two microphones for the implementation of noise cancellation, there are two microphone inputs and two outputs of the AGC control signal (Bias).

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Source: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=927662&view=findpost&p=80261002&sandbox=1

It can probably be fixed by connectiong of a mic to B input, however such a hardware fix should be supported by the firmware. No software fix alone is enough to solve the issue.
It's clear now that headset microphone has no physical connection to neither A nor B inputs and it can't be used to fix the problem. Maximum, that can be done without fixing the hardware side of the problem is software filtering of high frequency noises. It will probably make the voice recognition level slightly higher while on transport.
I'm using busses and subway in Saint-Petersburg, the trains are old and the noise level is extremely high so I have to unpair my dongle and call back every time, then pair it back. I had no possibility to return it and had to put up with the problem. My advice is to check if the microphone quality is good enough before buying.
 
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May 2, 2019 at 3:14 PM Post #1,217 of 1,870
Thankfully I have a great retailer. I told then my troubles with the BTR3 asking only if the Btr1 would work better and if they had other suggestions and they offered to replace it for free, are sending out today and I'll send mine back. What great service!!!
 
May 2, 2019 at 7:53 PM Post #1,218 of 1,870
I am trying to update BTR3 to the latest(?) firmware.
https://www.fiio.com/newsinfo/114977.html

The instructions are here:
https://www.fiio.com/newsinfo/84403.html
Here is part C of the instructions:


Looking back at part A:


It starts with "after downloading..." :jecklinsmile:
Where is the upgrade tool???
Really bad documentation - no way to know which firmware is the latest, and no upgrade tool is provided.

I was wondering the same thing...there is no link...

Anyway, as far as I know the V1.0 (1030) is the current version of the Firmware and there are and have been no new updates.
This is the version that came on my BTR3, and I bought it about a year ago on Amazon.
So, unless you have one of the first batch ones, you may not need to update.

Edit: Also, as the page say, the Fiio app will only show just V1.0 as the firmware regardless.
Unless they have changed that in the last few months....i no longer use my BTR3 with my Android phone, but instead re-purposed it to use with my Win 10 Laptop....since the BTR3 has not system EQ option enabled yet.
 
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May 3, 2019 at 6:52 PM Post #1,219 of 1,870
I was wondering the same thing...there is no link...

Anyway, as far as I know the V1.0 (1030) is the current version of the Firmware and there are and have been no new updates.
This is the version that came on my BTR3, and I bought it about a year ago on Amazon.
So, unless you have one of the first batch ones, you may not need to update.

Edit: Also, as the page say, the Fiio app will only show just V1.0 as the firmware regardless.
Unless they have changed that in the last few months....i no longer use my BTR3 with my Android phone, but instead re-purposed it to use with my Win 10 Laptop....since the BTR3 has not system EQ option enabled yet.
My firmware is older, so I need to update
It's ridiculous how bad FIIO's site is. Didn't anyone ever try to upgrade? How can they be missing the upgrade tool?
 
May 4, 2019 at 7:15 AM Post #1,222 of 1,870
iPad mini. iOS12. The app can't access the BTR3 settings - although it still plays OK.
 
May 4, 2019 at 9:08 AM Post #1,223 of 1,870
iPad mini. iOS12. The app can't access the BTR3 settings - although it still plays OK.

Thank You Sir for the confirmation, Yes the BTR3 working fine - Just want to turn off the breathing light so it can extend some battery life. Due to this, I need to first connect to POCO F1 then back to the iPad.
Just got the iPad Air 3 Today.
 
May 5, 2019 at 6:28 AM Post #1,224 of 1,870
My firmware is older, so I need to update
It's ridiculous how bad FIIO's site is. Didn't anyone ever try to upgrade? How can they be missing the upgrade tool?
Dear friend,

As we mentioned in the instruction of updating page:
The latest firmware for the BTR3 is v1.0 (v1030) at present.There is no need to upgrade your BTR3 again, if it is already latest firmware.
Some user tried to update the firmware even they were using latest firmware and got the BTR3 stuck.
You could send email to support@fiio.com if you are not using the latest firmware instead.

Best regards
 
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May 5, 2019 at 6:30 AM Post #1,225 of 1,870
Anybody here with iOS 12 and iPad can confirm this:
FiiO Music App cannot see the BTR3 - Right ?
Dear friend,

Can the BTR3 be see in other iPhone device instead? Please try to click the reflash button in the top right button, and press the power button of the BTR3 for several time. Wait for 10s or so then will you see the BTR3 in the FiiO Bluetooth control interface?

Best regards
 
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May 5, 2019 at 6:30 AM Post #1,226 of 1,870
Thank You Sir for the confirmation, Yes the BTR3 working fine - Just want to turn off the breathing light so it can extend some battery life. Due to this, I need to first connect to POCO F1 then back to the iPad.
Just got the iPad Air 3 Today.

I doubt the tiny LED would noticeably improve the battery


Dear friend,

As we mentioned in the instruction of updating page:
The latest firmware for the BTR3 is v1.0 (v1030) at present.There is no need to upgrade your BTR3 again, if it is already latest firmware.
Some user tried to update the firmware even they were using latest firmware and got the BTR3 stuck.
You could send email to support@fiio.com if you are not using the latest firmware instead.

Best regards

Any plans on Bluetooth 5.0 for better connection like the Radsone Earstudios? And when is EQ coming?

Also, are you still working on the BTR 4 (5?), considering you just launched the M5 which is also an BT receiver.
 
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May 5, 2019 at 9:06 AM Post #1,227 of 1,870
Dear friend,

Can the BTR3 be see in other iPhone device instead? Please try to click the reflash button in the top right button, and press the power button of the BTR3 for several time. Wait for 10s or so then will you see the BTR3 in the FiiO Bluetooth control interface?

Best regards

Thank You Fiio - Described method worked, Now I'm happy to report Fiio Music can see the BTR3 and able to gain access Setting Section at iOS 12.
 
May 5, 2019 at 12:02 PM Post #1,228 of 1,870
Dear friend,

As we mentioned in the instruction of updating page:
The latest firmware for the BTR3 is v1.0 (v1030) at present.There is no need to upgrade your BTR3 again, if it is already latest firmware.
Some user tried to update the firmware even they were using latest firmware and got the BTR3 stuck.
You could send email to support@fiio.com if you are not using the latest firmware instead.

Best regards

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1) The latest Android app (1.1.0) doesn't show any version for my BTR3 - doesn't it mean it has an older firmware?
2) If a firmware update bricks your devices, isn't this good enough reason to release a firmware version that wouldn't brick?
3) What's the point of having incomplete upgrade instructions in the User Gude? If the only way to upgrade is to contact your support, that's what should be in the User Guide.
 
May 6, 2019 at 12:28 AM Post #1,229 of 1,870
Hi all, just wanted to share my thoughts and vent my frustration:

Positives:
-Straightforward and reliable connection with phone.
-Good audio quality
-Superb build quality
-Value for money

Negatives:
-NO EQ - It's been months. It's not good to promise and not deliver.
-Microphone is NOT working at all (Getting unit replaced) - seems a common issue.
-Unintuitive button layout. The buttons are not immediately easy to identify in the pocket. It's also not apparent how to pair without manual.
-Annoying flashing logo ruins sleek aesthetics. It's a nuisance especially at nighttime, or when clipped to outer garments. FiiO app doesn't remember settings and must be manually toggled each startup.
-Odd positioning of 3.5mm jack relative to clip. Feels like it should be opposite.
-Sometimes connects on APTx-HD and sometimes AAC (could be just my phone).
-FiiO music app is very cluttered.

However I still think it's a great product. However if I knew of these cons I'd probably have waited until the next firmware.
 
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May 6, 2019 at 2:15 AM Post #1,230 of 1,870
Hi all, just wanted to share my thoughts and vent my frustration:

Positives:
-Straightforward and reliable connection with phone.
-Good audio quality
-Superb build quality
-Value for money

Negatives:
-NO EQ - It's been months. It's not good to promise and not deliver.
-Microphone is NOT working at all (Getting unit replaced) - seems a common issue.
-Unintuitive button layout. The buttons are not immediately easy to identify in the pocket. It's also not apparent how to pair without manual.
-Annoying flashing logo ruins sleek aesthetics. It's a nuisance especially at nighttime, or when clipped to outer garments. FiiO app doesn't remember settings and must be manually toggled each startup.
-Odd positioning of 3.5mm jack relative to clip. Feels like it should be opposite.
-Sometimes connects on APTx-HD and sometimes AAC (could be just my phone).
-FiiO music app is very cluttered.

However I still think it's a great product. However if I knew of these cons I'd probably have waited until the next firmware.

Did you try loading the f/w as posted in post #4 to address the microphone not working?
http://fiio.me/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=44208&extra=page=2
 

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