[jmills8]

Do you mean; you didn't receive any extra adaptor jack, user manual and microfiber cloth?

Ill look and let you know. For sure 2 cables cause I use them.

 

[cihangir71]

I've just received a Denon microfiber cloth and an adaptor jack from hifiklubben.nl
I can just hope that my headphone was brand new and it has just these missing parts in its package.

Anyway, just be carefull if you want to make an order from any web store. After the delivery, please check your package details as firstly

 

[cihangir71]

Ill look and let you know. For sure 2 cables cause I use them.

I received 2 cables too, there is no problem.

 

[stimuz]

Oooohh is thst e-mu teak the first on right headphones?
How does it sound vs th610?

I read that e-mu teak is a better and twice cheaper version....

Not sure about e-mu teak, but I have th-610 I got with a busted headband for 75 usd, fixed with ziptie. It's not what I expected, I was hoping for a more bass cannon type headphone but its really close to balanced(denon 5200 I compare it to is also pretty balanced, just EQs better and has better midbass). Subbass rumble but weak midbass. I also have a Denon-5200 that I prefer over the th-610 almost universally for music, but prefer the 610 for movies because it's more comfortable and again, somewhat neutral. The Denon-5200 also EQ's far better. You can get either for under $300 used if you shop around though, the 610 isn't that popular because of the cheaper and from what I understand more bassy massdrop TH version.

 

[Wishmaker]

As a Denon owner, AHD-2000 ML pads and OEM AHD-5000, I always love their sound signature. My cans still work fine even after 10 years with no damage except some wear and tear. The AHD-2000 has a rather used headband with one cup no longer having any text. The one that still has some text is rather faded.
The 5000 aged better and I still listen to them today.

I will admit I gave up on this hobby of mine around 2017 and focused on a living room set up. I went to Paris to one of the biggest audiophile stores I have seen and bought some gear from there.

I fell in love with my Focal Aria 948s and told myself my next pair of headphones will be a Focal one. Suffice it to say I had my eyes on the Clear and Stellia as the Utopia was out of my budget.


A few days ago I had the itch to buy some headphones. I was browsing for some good Focal deals and by accident I googled Denon. I saw they released the 5200/7200/9200. I did some reading on them and I told myself that if these sound like the 2000/5000 I will be smitten.

Yesterday I toured an audiophile shop and had the opportunity to listen to the 7200. I was getting my credit card ready when in the corner I spot the Focal Clear and Denon 9200.

While these were not the Stellia they are still considered a good pair from Focal. I listened to them and was impressed. They had the classic focal sound with precise notes and quick attack.

I then put the 9200 on and hoped they sound better than the 7200 and Clear. To my surprise these were brilliant. The sound I love in a headphone but to a new level. Bass was smashing, mids were great and treble was high as it should be.

I then put back the 7200 and realised something was missing. Asked the guy to hook the Focal again and realised that they seemed perfect but my heart already made the choice : Denon 9200.


At the end of the day I have the best of both worlds for my enjoyment: Focal Aria 948 on NAD C388 and now Denon AHD 9200 on NAD C388 and on my tiny desktop setup : A50/D50s/P50 from Topping.


Denon should arrive in 1.5 weeks. The showroom item was not for sale.

 

[jpierre]

whismaker , what do you think of the bass and the impact of the bass of the clear compared to the denon.

 

[jmills8]

whismaker , what do you think of the bass and the impact of the bass of the clear compared to the denon.

9200 > Clear

 

[Wishmaker]

whismaker , what do you think of the bass and the impact of the bass of the clear compared to the denon.

Hi there.
Focal's engineers seem to tune their products towards a certain signature. When I started listening to the Focal Clear I felt like home. While my NAD has a different sound than the Parasound Halo used to test these, I can wholeheartedly say that here are a lot of similarities between my Arias and the Clear. I expect the Utopia to sound pretty much identical to my living room set up if coupled with my NAD.

The Focal sound you either love it or hate it. I am part of the group that loves it. When it comes to the low frequency reproduction of the Clear I am impressed as to how detailed this is. Punchy at times, dynamic, effortless, yet I believe the engineers have strategically imposed a restriction on the driver to sell a few units of Stellia and Utopia. Without trying the 9200 you do not believe you can have a better reproduction than with the Focal if you are such a big fan like I am.

The Denon 9200 seems to do everything the Clear can do with the caveat of more impact. Furthermore, there seems to be a definite push into very low frequencies while maintaining the quality you expect from a Focal. I do not know how Denon managed to pull this off but you can feel that the Japanese unleashed these drivers to show this is their high range.

From my perspective, the 9200 give you that added detail in the low range without sacrificing the mid and top end. There are many cases where on paper a driver can do x to y and when you want to see that it underwhelms. This is not the case with the 9200 and as I mentioned in my earlier post, I rooted for the 9200 to beat the Focal even if I knew there was a slim chance.


Once you love the Focal sound, you tend to stick to it. For some reason, my headphone journey always brings me back at Denon.

Later Edit: when I made the order I was told 1.5 weeks tops. Now the shop is telling me 5-10 weeks. I guess all these pandas took over the bamboo areas and Denon has no material for their cups.

 

[Roland P]

Has anyone compared these to the AH-D5200?

I'm now using the mdr-z7 (tape-modded), but I can't bear the bass-bleed in some bass-heavy tracks anymore. So I'm looking for something else, this time I want the cleanest bass possible . I already liked the AH-MM400 in the past, but the fit was awful to me, also a bit colored.

I've auditioned the AH-D5200 for a brief moment from my dying NW-ZX1 (until the battery ran out lol). The bass was already much cleaner, the treble was stronger and maybe a little bit sibilant (Maybe logical, comming from the Z7, but it could be the ZX-1 as well?). Mids might have had some slight coloration. My overall impression was really good, I could here many layers of music in busy tracks.

 

[RoyGB]

Has anyone compared these to the AH-D5200?

I'm now using the mdr-z7 (tape-modded), but I can't bear the bass-bleed in some bass-heavy tracks anymore. So I'm looking for something else, this time I want the cleanest bass possible . I already liked the AH-MM400 in the past, but the fit was awful to me, also a bit colored.

I've auditioned the AH-D5200 for a brief moment from my dying NW-ZX1 (until the battery ran out lol). The bass was already much cleaner, the treble was stronger and maybe a little bit sibilant (Maybe logical, comming from the Z7, but it could be the ZX-1 as well?). Mids might have had some slight coloration. My overall impression was really good, I could here many layers of music in busy tracks.

From what I have read, seems like that these are on a different level of headphone than the 5200's. 5200's are relatively neutral though not really colored from what people say. I would say if you want clean articulate bass that is not the focus of the music 9200's are the way to go. A search in this thread for '5200' should yield something as well. Likewise go to the 5200 thread and search '9200'.

 

[RoyGB]

or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the tube

Soooo. Recently I have been really getting into tube sound with these cans. I have been going after warm euphonic tubes. Currently driving Tung Sol 76's with a stack of adapters (Not depicted but same adapter stack) on a Project Ember. These headphones just feel so sterile and almost boring otherwise something that I have felt in different degrees since I got them. Sometimes I can appreciate the neutrality these provide, but often I just want something more colored. THX over my old Atom helps. The PMA 800NE does too. And so does the Norne cable. But nothing has quite done it like a colorful pair of tubes.

So far warmth seems to win out when it comes to tubes. I don't mind the extra bloom or bass bleed or the fact that I a killing some of the treble. There is more than enough overhead in quality of presentation that I can sacrifice a good amount of it and still not feel it is degraded too much.

I have also been experimenting with EQing on my Monolith THX 788 going after that same presentation If anyone has one to compare, I am opting for:

• 80Hz +6dB bass shelf
• -1dB 10k treble shelf
• 120Hz +3dB Q1.6
• 360Hz +3.5dB Q0.5

Does not quite emulate what tubes do, but it really does something to vocals and just providing a warm lush sound. Sometimes it is a bit much and the bass gets overpowering , but for a lot of what I listen to. It works well. Luckily it is a push turn push and turn away.... yea the menu system on the 788 is not great.

 

[Roland P]

From what I have read, seems like that these are on a different level of headphone than the 5200's. 5200's are relatively neutral though not really colored from what people say. I would say if you want clean articulate bass that is not the focus of the music 9200's are the way to go. A search in this thread for '5200' should yield something as well. Likewise go to the 5200 thread and search '9200'.

Thanks for your response. I've checked the topics but I could not find much regarding the differences.

 

[SilverEars]

whismaker , what do you think of the bass and the impact of the bass of the clear compared to the denon.

Bass in the clear is definately neutral level bass, and I don't mean most definitions of 'neutral' meaning insufficient bass or tilted cold responses in which I noticed people tend to define it as. You get suffcient impact and good extension for an open dynamic.

D9200 is more bass focused headphone compare to Clear. The way low frequencies are expressed will be much more in your face with D9200, and not really with Clear. Clear I find is not bass focused, but upper range focused and definately shines in that region. Bass is ok quality with Clear, but really interesting with D9200.

Clear being open, has a much better advantage for imaging.

If you are a bass person that wants to hear more out of bass in tracks, D9200 is the way to go. If you want more of a neutral experience in way not on part of the spectrum sticking out too much, Clear is the way to go.

Personally, I'd take Clear over D9200 for most listening, D9200 is more of a niche in terms of genre with enhanced bass, although it's not a bad headphone for most genres(but, Clear just seems better suited). D9200 does make it difficult to move on to other headphones once you've started to appreciate the bass.

Both are easy to drive, and perhaps D9200 being easier to drive. D9200 of course had advantages of being closed and that might be the deciding factor for some people. You really have to figure out your listening environment and if you listen on the go.

 

[SilverEars]

Oooohh is thst e-mu teak the first on right headphones?
How does it sound vs th610?

I read that e-mu teak is a better and twice cheaper version....

Don't know vs 610, but EMU teak's tuning was too cold for my taste. Believe it or not, it's a woodie with emphasis in the upper frequencies with not as much bass you'd expect out of a woodie. Just not a satifying woodie IMO. Not living up to woodie standard. Lol

The quality of the output seemed low as well. It didn'f do what it should do as being in the class of headphone, and it didn't have techical chops either to make it an uninteresting heaphone for me. Technically even, D9200 is undeniably superior, and just much more interesting of a sound.

 

[Wishmaker]

Someone just rang the doorbell ... hmm