Dan Clark Audio Stealth Review, Interview, Measurements

Mar 18, 2023 at 3:40 PM Post #5,461 of 6,136
His opinions are far mor insightful than people who simply think expensive source gear is magic.
Unless it’s expensive non-source gear, that you happen to own, right? Then it’s ok. 4.8 k is not expensive for some 3d printed plastic.
Let’s be real, most people owning Topping gear wouldn’t have bought a Stealth in a million years if some cult leader didn’t push it. And somehow it’s always the rest that are sheep :)
 
Mar 18, 2023 at 3:42 PM Post #5,462 of 6,136
Unless it’s expensive non-source gear, that you happen to own, right? Then it’s ok. 4.8 k is not expensive for some 3d printed plastic.
Let’s be real, most people owning Topping gear wouldn’t have bought a Stealth in a million years if some cult leader didn’t push it. And somehow it’s always the rest that are sheep :)

You're making things up and assuming why I bought what I bought. Total straw man.
 
Mar 18, 2023 at 4:04 PM Post #5,465 of 6,136
Mar 18, 2023 at 4:13 PM Post #5,466 of 6,136
Yes I was there for that....circular argument. HIs opinions and others that get upset over them precede your comments.
 
Mar 18, 2023 at 5:00 PM Post #5,467 of 6,136
I've been doing this for almost 25 years now....why am I actually still doing this?
Because I would have wished in the past that there would have been one or the other who looks at the matter soberly as I do it
High end equipment?
You don't have to invest 10 or 20 thousand in Amps/Dacs/cables to achieve very good sound results with headphones
Even if it is an industry again and again thanks to ever more sophisticated marketing tries to win market share for themselves
We are with Dacs and amps at a point where it does not go much better ... at most different
I know many developers of our headphones....many of these see the matter from a completely different side than as High Ender
One thing I've learned....not the equipment is crucial...but rather the transducer
And there are not really so many of them that do a very good job, both technically and tonally.
Allowed is what one likes.... everyone should buy what one likes...also about his experiences should be allowed to write...and indeed also what he does not like
I can only try with my way to make you aware...but always with a healthy portion of common sense
And what I think of the RME in connection with the Nutopia & Stealth at another time

NOMAX

PS.I can only betray one thing already..I would not have thought it possible that at this price is already possible
 
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Mar 18, 2023 at 5:21 PM Post #5,468 of 6,136
I've been doing this for almost 25 years now....why am I actually still doing this?
Because I would have wished in the past that there would have been one or the other who looks at the matter soberly as I do it
High end equipment?
You don't have to invest 10 or 20 thousand to achieve very good sound results with headphones
Even if it is an industry again and again thanks to ever more sophisticated marketing tries to win market share for themselves
We are with Dacs and amps at a point where it does not go much better ... at most different
I know many developers of our headphones....many of these see the matter from a completely different side than as High Ender
One thing I've learned....not the equipment is crucial...but rather the transducer
And there are not really so many of them that do a very good job, both technically and tonally.
Allowed is what one likes.... everyone should buy what one likes...also about his experiences should be allowed to write...and indeed also what he does not like
I can only try with my way to make you aware...but always with a healthy portion of common sense
And what I think of the RME in connection with the Nutopia & Stealth at another time

NOMAX

PS.I can only betray one thing already..I would not have thought it possible that at this price is already possible
Fair enough, I'll just get one and A/B for myself at one point. Good use for the HM1's A/B feature :) Would love for it to turn out being just as good, but it wasn't my experience so far. Much better is relative and people value subtleties differently.
 
Mar 18, 2023 at 7:50 PM Post #5,469 of 6,136
Unless it’s expensive non-source gear, that you happen to own, right? Then it’s ok. 4.8 k is not expensive for some 3d printed plastic.
Let’s be real, most people owning Topping gear wouldn’t have bought a Stealth in a million years if some cult leader didn’t push it. And somehow it’s always the rest that are sheep :)
gosh, so correct...those people at ASR attack pretty much every expensive piece of gear and anyone who dares to buy and praise it...all of a sudden this guru Amir comes along and praises the stealth..which for the record I liked...and all of a sudden its ok to like an own an expensive piece of gear..but only that one mind you!
 
Mar 18, 2023 at 9:39 PM Post #5,470 of 6,136
I have my own Amir at Austrian Audio (formerly Akg Vienna) that tells me how good a model is technically 😉
(A call is enough with him that he takes time for me and my Over Ears )

https://pro.harman.com/insights/har...light-bernhard-pinter-akg-headphone-engineer/


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NOMAX

PS.lol
 
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Mar 19, 2023 at 2:21 AM Post #5,471 of 6,136
.......
And what I think of the RME in connection with the Nutopia & Stealth at another time

NOMAX

PS.I can only betray one thing already..I would not have thought it possible that at this price is already possible

You have an RME ADDA! - you need good small Mics and only ARTA too https://www.artalabs.hr/index.htm for headphone measurement.
And a simple head & ear simulator hardware. I saw a picture where it was realised with a CD, the microphone was in the centre hole. You can also buy heads made of styrofoam. A modified mannequin head would also do.
It' not absolutely professional measurement as by AustrianAudio - but it is enough for comparative measurements!
 
Mar 19, 2023 at 3:52 AM Post #5,472 of 6,136
@FritzS I just call him, everything else is too tedious for me 😉

NOMAX

PS.lol
 
Mar 19, 2023 at 11:33 AM Post #5,474 of 6,136
I don't know how much RME is enjoying the new market of audiophiles that recently discovered the ADI-2. Often I see the comment from audiophile community "RME people are rude, I would never buy from them". If you try to understand the "why" and visit the RME forum, you often see the following scernario: On one side is the lead developer of RME, that has decades of experience in high quality, professional studio grade equipment development, that are used in many of the big studios that produce the albums we listen to; on the other side "I am not a technical person, but I know what I hear" person questioning their power supply, DAC chip, casing, extremely clean and netural tuning of their products and trying to convice the lead developer of one of the most famous professional audio companies into accepting the audiophile jargon. No matter what he says, how many times he repeats, our "audiophile with the money" claims that he has the last say on the product. When the RME lead developer gets annoyed dealing with such attitude, as there are owners with real issues that are waiting for support, he is suddenly the bad guy.

Unfortunately our audiophile guy fails to grasp, 1) those products are not meant for him 2) the company has its own philosophy and reputation that is well respected throughout the world exactly for what it achieves 3) the company is not interested in those jargons, as professional audio is based on engineering results that are numerically well defined, can be repeated on different scenarios and can be proven to hold against some benchmarks that are based on engineering data in the professional audio field.

When you settle for a similar criteria (by experience and / or by technical knowledge and / or by finding the sweet spot between added value, price and enjoyment) and choose your gear with based on a similar approach, we often see a similar pattern of reactions as above, even when it was all about my experience and my decision, that I feel happy and firm about. When I try to question the why, I receive the answer "but the (so called) objectivists are very rude against the (so called) subjectivist, which do nothing but try to defend themselves against those "attacks" by the (so called) objectivists", whereas my experience has been often the opposite, here on HeadFi. That really kills all the joy of contributing to this community.

I had much more expensive gear than both ADI-2 and also Stealth. With some of you I already shared my exeriences with them and praised them, but throughout my journey in this so called hobby, I learned that I am missing some pieces of information, and in the end I settled where I am and I am very happy and satisfied about. After all these years of reading, writing, sharing and spending time to understand what I am dealing with; I reached a conclusion that happens to overlap with people that are disliked here, for one reason or the other. At the moment, it just doesn't fully overlap with some of you and your definition of good audio. There is nothing good or bad about it. I am not going to say that ASR does not have an influence on me, they do, as my subjective conclusions has many overlaps with them.

You might not like it, but it does not give anyone the right to be judgemental on my own experience and conclusions. If you don't like it, please ignore me, as dealing with such reactions just kills my joy in taking part in this community.
 
Mar 19, 2023 at 12:05 PM Post #5,475 of 6,136
@DarginMahkum

Then tell the RME developers over there in the other forum nice greetings from.....😉

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I know what I hear and that is really 👍

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NOMAX

PS.becuase i can not be everywhere
 
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