[Gilles De Rais]

  it makes sense when u need to drive more power hungry headphones, mojo with it dac/amp is more powerful than p1

Buy a desktop. If they're power hungry they're certainly not portable. Taking big phones outside is real problematic, generally they're open so noise flows in and out, they're big so cumbersome and they generally don't tend to enjoy being slung in a bag. I'd rather lose a little SQ than a $1k headphone...
 
For the money, something like a Burson Soloist, Schitt Valhalla or Lyr, Violectric V90/V100 or Lake People G105/107/109 would be infinitely better at driving something like your Oppo PM1 than the Mojo. As most people have pointed out ad nauseum the P1 as a transport for a portable set-up is overkill ( Desktop sure). If you really want the Mojo get it as an alternate to the P1 (pairing it with a phone - IOS or Android) rather than a complement.
 
regards,
 
Giles

 

[Sound Eq]

  Buy a desktop. If they're power hungry they're certainly not portable. Taking big phones outside is real problematic, generally they're open so noise flows in and out, they're big so cumbersome and they generally don't tend to enjoy being slung in a bag. I'd rather lose a little SQ than a $1k headphone...
 
For the money, something like a Burson Soloist, Schitt Valhalla or Lyr, Violectric V90/V100 or Lake People G105/107/109 would be infinitely better at driving something like your Oppo PM1 than the Mojo. As most people have pointed out ad nauseum the P1 as a transport for a portable set-up is overkill ( Desktop sure). If you really want the Mojo get it as an alternate to the P1 (pairing it with a phone - IOS or Android) rather than a complement.
 
regards,
 
Giles

totally agree, but i do not take them out, i just like to listen to oppo in different rooms in my house so it is a transportable set up, i do not like to be restricted to listen to my headphones in one place only, as to me that defies the purpose of headphones, if I want to listen to music in only one place i would use my home system instead. I have a  nice garden as well which is very quiet and i like to listen there as well

 

[AeroSatan]

  totally agree, but i do not take them out, i just like to listen to oppo in different rooms in my house so it is a transportable set up, i do not like to be restricted to listen to my headphones in one place only, as to me that defies the purpose of headphones, if I want to listen to music in only one place i would use my home system instead. I have a  nice garden as well which is very quiet and i like to listen there as well

I'm surprised you're still looking for different DAPs after ranting about how they all sound the same. Looking for that elusive 4% improvement in SQ over an iPhone are we? lol

 

[Sound Eq]

 
I'm surprised you're still looking for different DAPs after ranting about how they all sound the same. Looking for that elusive 4% improvement in SQ over an iPhone are we? lol

i remember u well enough
 
did u not cause a stir in one of the other threads and we already had a nice time going at it
 
this hobby is about the 0.0005% percent so 4% is a huge huge huge improvement
 
Peace

 

[Paulus XII]

  i remember u well enough
 
did u not cause a stir in one of the other threads and we already had a nice time going at it
 
this hobby is about the 0.0005% percent so 4% is a huge huge huge improvement
 
Peace

 
lol. True.

 

[gordec]

I think I have put the P1 through over 50 hours now. It certainly sounds so much better than I first got them. I have been listening to them with my ES60s which I got about the same time. So I'm not sure if it's the ES60s burning in or the P1, but the IE80 and XBA-Z5 both sound better now. It doesn't make sense how you burn in a DAP when everything is digital, but the improvement has been so significant, it's not just mental burn in.
 
It's like everything came alive. Every chord, drum-beat, cymbal strike pop with such organic and livelike realism. It's absolutely breathtaking.

 

[Paulus XII]

  I think I have put the P1 through over 50 hours now. It certainly sounds so much better than I first got them. I have been listening to them with my ES60s which I got about the same time. So I'm not sure if it's the ES60s burning in or the P1, but the IE80 and XBA-Z5 both sound better now. It doesn't make sense how you burn in a DAP when everything is digital, but the improvement has been so significant, it's not just mental burn in.
 
It's like everything came alive. Every chord, drum-beat, cymbal strike pop with such organic and livelike realism. It's absolutely breathtaking.

 
I've felt the same. Plenue 1 and Plenue D have improved considerably after 50hrs or so. Same has happened to my LG V10 (ESS SABRE 9018 DAC), so at this point I'm convinced this is not placebo.

 

[Hi-Fi'er]

I came from the Plenue D thread here to ask. I like the D a lot. I like more EQ features and more clarity that I hear about in the higher models. I can't decide on the M or P1. What is the major difference in sound between these two? I read the M is a downgrade? I know all the other features but outside of that I can't decide why the M exists with more features and better battery life over the P1 if it's a downgrade? I see the M has more user savable settings also which is nice also. I also like the Onkyo dp-x1, and X7 from what I read but they seem riddled with problems. Any advise?

Thank you.

 

[Spamateur]

  I came from the Plenue D thread here to ask. I like the D a lot. I like more EQ features and more clarity that I hear about in the higher models. I can't decide on the M or P1. What is the major difference in sound between these two? I read the M is a downgrade? I know all the other features but outside of that I can't decide why the M exists with more features and better battery life over the P1 if it's a downgrade? I see the M has more user savable settings also which is nice also. I also like the Onkyo dp-x1, and X7 from what I read but they seem riddled with problems. Any advise?

Thank you.

M uses a different DAC chip that's slightly cheaper than the DAC in the Plenue S and 1. Whether or not it's "worse" than the higher-tier DAC in the S and 1 is up to you. Many people report they aren't able to notice much--if any--difference between the M and 1. I did a comparison of the D and the 1 a couple months back and the differences were pretty subtle. The 1 is definitely better than the D, but the differences aren't night-and-day obvious.
 
Here are the comparisons I posted: http://www.head-fi.org/t/789488/cowon-plenue-d/1665#post_12406527

 

[Hi-Fi'er]

  M uses a different DAC chip that's slightly cheaper than the DAC in the Plenue S and 1. Whether or not it's "worse" than the higher-tier DAC in the S and 1 is up to you. Many people report they aren't able to notice much--if any--difference between the M and 1. I did a comparison of the D and the 1 a couple months back and the differences were pretty subtle. The 1 is definitely better than the D, but the differences aren't night-and-day obvious.
 
Here are the comparisons I posted: http://www.head-fi.org/t/789488/cowon-plenue-d/1665#post_12406527

Thank you! That is the post I was looking for. Cheers!

 

[Spamateur]

  Thank you! That is the post I was looking for. Cheers!

 
No problem. Btw, I also compared the Plenue S and 1 to the Fiio X7 at one point. I left some impressions here:
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/709051/cowon-plenue-p1/2085#post_12461443
 
TL;DR: X7 is a brighter sound signature, which some people might prefer but sounds really grating to my ears. Soundstage is larger on the X7, but depth and layering is superior in the Plenue S/1.
 
Basically it comes down to: do you want a warmer, smoother, "analog" type of sound? Or do you want a colder, brighter, more neutral Sabre-type sound? There are people that fall on either side of the fence, but I drastically prefer the Plenues.
 
I haven't heard the Onkyo DP-X1, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was more similar to the Fiio X7 since it uses the same DAC chip.

 

[Hi-Fi'er]

   
No problem. Btw, I also compared the Plenue S and 1 to the Fiio X7 at one point. I left some impressions here:
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/709051/cowon-plenue-p1/2085#post_12461443
 
TL;DR: X7 is a brighter sound signature, which some people might prefer but sounds really grating to my ears. Soundstage is larger on the X7, but depth and layering is superior in the Plenue S/1.
 
Basically it comes down to: do you want a warmer, smoother, "analog" type of sound? Or do you want a colder, brighter, more neutral Sabre-type sound? There are people that fall on either side of the fence, but I drastically prefer the Plenues.
 
I haven't heard the Onkyo DP-X1, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was more similar to the Fiio X7 since it uses the same DAC chip.

Makes sense. Thank you.

 

[Paulus XII]

I have experienced a pretty noticeable improvement from D to P1, totally different level and a subtle improvement over FiiO X7, but P1 is still superior. X7 sounds more fatiguing, but very detailed with a wide soundstage, P1 timbre is superior, certain instruments sound more natural and realistic. Superior instrument separation too. Plenue 1 is the real winner, none of those players touch the timbre and separation of the Burr-Brown DAC, with the exception of the SABRE 9018 (FiiO X7/LG V10), which is still a few steps behind. Plenue D is very good for the price, but does not compete in this league.

 

[Hi-Fi'er]

  I have noticed a pretty noticeable improvement from D to P1, totally different level and a subtle improvement over FiiO X7. X7 sounds more fatiguing, P1 timbre is superior, certain instruments sound more natural and realistic. Superior instrument separation too. Plenue 1 is the real winner, none of those players touch the timbre and separation of the Burr-Brown DAC, with the exception of the SABRE 9018 (FiiO X7/LG V10), which is still a few steps behind. Plenue D is very good, but does not compete in this league.

Awesome. I'm so close to ordering one. Still scratching my head on the M. It has more EQ settings but a different DAC. The price difference is null between the M and P1 but the EQ settings get me on the M, but I can't resist knowing the P1 has the better DAC.

 

[Paulus XII]

  Awesome. I'm so close to ordering one. Still scratching my head on the M. It has more EQ settings but a different DAC. The price difference is null between the M and P1 but the EQ settings get me on the M, but I can't resist knowing the P1 has the better DAC.

 
Some people say that they don't notice the difference from D to M, so I would definitely go P1. It's a real step up.