[Deftone]

 
Lets say we are feeding signal from Gungnir to Mjolnir 2: You lose some of the transparency already in the cables and then even more in the amplifier, whether that makes a difference or not though I have no idea...

 
the transparency wouldnt be my biggest worry it would be that X amplifier is adding colour to everything. i only use mojo because im happy with the variations in sound from album to album.
 
i think its a reason many people dont like the HD650 with mojo, maybe they were using an amp that added more bass and impact on everything so without it they feel like it sounds "weak" 

 

[Delayeed]

   
the transparency wouldnt be my biggest worry it would be that X amplifier is adding colour to everything. i only use mojo because im happy with the variations in sound from album to album.

Well the Mojo lacks extension both ways so it's not really neutral anyway... The timbre of it is what impresses me though. None of the paperyness of a Delta Sigma design.

 

[audi0nick128]

well in post 18704 Rob states that Mojo is delta sigma...

 

[Delayeed]

well in post 18704 Rob states that Mojo is delta sigma...

Anyway it's not a typical Delta Sigma design. Uses an FPGA chip instead of a ****ty off the shelf DAC chip. (not saying all off the shelf chips sound bad yada yada but you get the point.)

 

[GRUMPYOLDGUY]

well in post 18704 Rob states that Mojo is delta sigma...

Seems like a good example of real life suspension of disbelief.

But don't tell the audiophiles that, they might explode.

 

[GRUMPYOLDGUY]

Anyway it's not a typical Delta Sigma design. Uses an FPGA chip instead of a ****ty off the shelf DAC chip. (not saying all off the shelf chips sound bad yada yada but you get the point.)

So does it sound more like high quality photo paper instead of a ream of Staples brand printer paper?

I don't get the point. There are some very good chip based DAC/amp combos that are not outside the realm of being compared to Mojo.

 

[Delayeed]

So does it sound more like high quality photo paper instead of a ream of Staples brand printer paper?

I don't get the point. There are some very good chip based DAC/amp combos that are not outside the realm of being compared to Mojo.

The point was just that I prefer timbre of the Mojo to the Delta Sigma DACs I've heard some of which have had weird treble issues that is best described by being "papery". And yes I'm aware there are good chip based DACs out there but with my limited exp I haven't heard one yet.

 

[audi0nick128]

Delayeed I understand what you meant, just wanted to point this out, since I believe many are not aware of the fact that Mojo is a Delta Sigma design...

GRUMPYOLDGUY I think I should better stop then, I probably wouldn't stand as calm under fire, as you

Cheers

 

[Mython]

 

 

Sorry about the lack of USB C cables in post #3. I am aware that there is an increasing need for such cables, but the reason I haven't yet added any is because I haven't seen many, and the few that I have seen don't look to be high-quality.

I am always watching this thread to see new posts of useful accessories, and I regularly add new info to post #3. Therefore, if anyone reading this knows of some short USBc to microUSB cables that are decent quality, I'll be happy to add them to post #3

 

No worries at all Mython. It's early days in the USB c world!

 
 
I've just asked Mimouille what cable he's using with his Mojo-M1 stack, and I'll let you know what he says.

 
 
Mimouille told me 3 USB-C cables he's tried, 2 of which I've now added to a post somewhere in this thread (sorry, I can't quite remember the number

)

 

[Mojo ideas]

Delayeed I understand what you meant, just wanted to point this out, since I believe many are not aware of the fact that Mojo is a Delta Sigma design...

GRUMPYOLDGUY I think I should better stop then, I probably wouldn't stand as calm under fire, as you

Cheers

I think it needs to be clarified that Rob was indeed working on straight Delta sigma design some thirty years ago and realising their shortfalls he as been developing his pulse array technology and advanced digital tap algorithms and implementation of highly specialised digital noise shapers ever since. So it a bit like saying an alto saxophone is a tin wistle. Robs technology is now very far from its origins.

 

[betula]

I've paired the Mojo with the likes of the Oppo HA-1, Liquid Carbon, and Liquid Gold. With these amps I've only used a very small portion of the volume to drive my headphones. In some regards they sound great - added soundstage, more bass oomph, sparkling treble, etc. The biggest difference is that when my headphones are driven direct from the Mojo (and the DAVE) there is more variety to the music. They don't add the same colouration to everything. Not all songs are wider in the soundstage, not all the bass is phat, not all the treble is emphasized. There is more variance from hard sounds to soft sounds. More accurate timbre of the individual notes IMO. That's what I love about the Mojo, the fact that it is very transparent and lets the music shine, not just the flavour of the amp. Nothing wrong with either option (that's why I own the Liquid Gold), but it's really a preference and not anything to do with capability to drive most headphones. That's my 2 cents. YMMV.
Yes, it's impossible to add a component and also add transparency. 1+1 =/= 0.

I think it's funny how the hd650 is always the benchmark for the Mojo when the Mojo is criticized. Good grief, it's not the only headphone out there and synergy, again, is simply not the same as drive ability. Perhaps the hd650 isn't the end all be all headphone that's out there. I'm glad you like the hd650 from your amp, in the end that's what matters, the smile on your face as you liZ

You made some very good points here. Quite some people tend to misunderstand what role amps and DACs really play in an audio chain.

HD650 might pop up so often, as for 15 years it is still some sort of a reference point in the huge, subjective fog of the audio world. We seem to loose these objective reference points these days. Maybe Mojo will be one in the future.

 

 

[betula]

@GRUMPYOLDGUY I think I should better stop then, I probably wouldn't stand as calm under fire, as you

Cheers

Grumpy is made of special ice, that does not melt in heat.
But we know, his heart is in the right place.

 

[Mython]

There is a Mojo sitting next to my laptop, right now, singing....
 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6_B1AB9nu8

 

[warrior1975]

I recently purchased the hd650s, and I really do like them, a lot. I've run it with mojo, and with mojo feeding my Valhalla 2. I prefer the sound of mojo feeding the Valhala 2. I think it does add to the sound. Maybe it's synergy, maybe not. It does sound better to my ears.

 

[Feedbacker]

Just received the notification that my Mojo is en route from Audio Sanctuary. Nice...!
 
I've had a Hugo for a while, so I kind of know what to expect, and I've been following this thread since day 1, but still excited to get the little fella into my hands...