I just read the pages discussing amps. IMO, the Hugo can't reproduce the dynamics of music as well as a high-end dedicated amp can. This nothing to do with distortion measurements or whatever. A high-end DAC might have incredibly low distortion from its outputs, but that wont drive headphones well either. Maybe not the best comparison, as almost every regular DAC doesn't have a <1 Ohm output impedence, but the point is I'll trade a bit of harmonic distortion for better dynamics for preference.
More annoyingly, (Trigger warning?
) headphones such as the LCD-X and HD800 I don't like at all with the stock cables -- certainly not directly out of a Hugo with them. With third-party cables I find them very listenable with the Hugo, if not as good with my main amp.
Dynamics limitation and low harmonic distortion exclude each other, electrically speaking. Every nonlinear behavior in the amplitude domain leads to measurable harmonic distortion.
Are you willing to do an experiment? Switch two 330 ohm resistors in parallel to the input of your headphone amp. This passably emulates the impedance of a HD 800 for the Hugo. Now tell if there's any difference in terms of dynamics! Because the hypothesis of the Hugo's lack of power for driving headphones is implicitly based on the assumption that it can't drive a low-impedance load well.
From my point of view the perception of lacking dynamics – compared to dedicated headphone amps – has its cause in the warmth and fullness many or even most amps add to the original signal. And the forgivingness and opulence said colorations come with – so the Hugo's headphone output may sound thin and dry in comparison. Note that like every audio component the Hugo isn't perfectly neutral (not to speak of the high likelihood that your headphone won't sound best with a neutral amp according to your sonic preference or HRTF), so an amp with a synergetic effect (and the added euphonic forgivingness) will subjectively improve the sound, even make it seem more dynamic.
The good news is that there are other tools to deal with this issue!
This reminds me of why they moved the cable discussions to sound science years ago….
Also reminds me of the original Audeze LCD thread where one user commented on every single post that questioned there sound and since he was an moderator actually deleted some that he didn't agree with. I have never see this done except in that instance and have brought it up to powers that be since, though many years ago-no big deal, just an example of passion we all have, run a little wild. The guy was really nice in person and helpful as well, but got livid in the particular thread.
So that said, I agree with Currawong. I am on the amp side of this and i actually think that having to use an equalizer to "fix" the sound in ridiculous. I feel EQing is the culprit and some headphones need amping. Although the Hugo as a source directly may be slightly cleaner, my experience leads me to feel that an amp helps the dynamics with harder to drive headphones. I have been biting my tongue because the argument is almost comical to read the debate but thought I would add my two cents again as I did months ago.
That said, I rarely use an amp with the Hugo and when i do I use the Zana Deux, for those who wonder. If i had a lower end amp, i wouldn't consider it, and i only really use it with the HD800 because although one person insists that the Hugo drives them perfectly, I disagree. The Hugo drives them adequately, its not about volume level.
Have seen this subject cropping up more recently on here and don't think there are Hugo users out there that won't admit on here they are using an amp with their headphones for some obvious reasons.
All i can say after seeing this discussion which is interesting is that I love my Hugo to death (almost) and has been an trans-portable Head-fi revelation that has taken me a step closer to what I hear in my Hi-Fi speaker set up and love running it through my power amps in my Hi-Fi system as well as headphone and IEM listening.....
But I am one of those that feels the need to use a portable amp with it when it comes to headphones. For a long while I felt something was not right when listening to headphones with them and couldn't work it out as iem's sounded okay with the Hugo but was not until I was talking to another head-fier at Canjam London last year he said he was having the same thing and said try the Vorzuge PureII amp he had with it and immediately it was like it had plugged a leaky pipe and was getting the flow of sound back with no brittleness or anemic presentation.
...And I thought I would be getting away from the three box solution and sold my old Vorzuge Duo when I got the Hugo to pair with my Walkman but after hearing a friends Hugo with the Pure became evident to me that headphones were not sounding quite right to me with just the Hugo and that was including efficient headphones and not harder to drive cans which is what surprised me at the time.
So believe me I was the last person who wanted to shell out another £400 to strap a portable amp but when I heard a friends Vorzuge Pureii+ amp strapped to the Hugo it solved the problem with the brittleness and gives back the solid consistency it should have and does give a more dynamic presentation with the mids not falling apart. It has never been anything to do with volume or power as the Hugo can do that. It is nothing to do with poor recordings as it happens with well known good recordings and I don't know if it's a voltage swing issue or something along those lines but the Hugo can not keep up in some way with headphones even easy to drive headphones.
I am not technical in this domain by any means but know what I hear and believe me was the last person who wanted to spend another £400 for a solution to this with adding the Vorzuge Pureii+ amp to the Hugo as for me it's defeating one of the main reasons to having a dac/ amp combo in the Hugo to start with when I spent £1,400 on one but I do feel even after hearing what Rob has said about losing transparency in the past amping the Hugo but I feel I'm loosing a lot more not having the pure with the Hugo when using headphones.
I almost forgot but strictly speaking it is not just headphones I have had to use an amp with the Hugo as I have used many iem's with the Hugo just fine without needing an amp but there is one iem that needs the Pure hooked to the Hugo is the Ortofon EQ8's. Strange as on paper it should be okay with the Hugo but just sounds very flat line and anemic with no bass response pass the lower mid to low bass frequency's and needed the Pure to drive these with some dynamics and never knew the EQ8's actually had lower bass notes until hooked to the Pure. In all fairness it struggled even with my ZX1 and has been reported for some reason to be a difficult iem to drive properly despite the specs stating otherwise so then made me wonder is there something that is actually makes driving a single balanced armature harder than several or sixteen in instance of my JH16's which the Hugo sounds lovely with on it's own all day long.
I get the funny feeling though there is something with the way the the Hugo is using the dacs power and not a dedicated headphone amp designed into the Hugo? See my only argument would be with Jazz's point ff we used amps to fulfil the warmth with dynamics thing with the Hugo why is it I can still get that same type of sound with iem's for exception of EQ8s I have come across but need to use these with headphones out there to get same results as I get with iem's without an amp strapped on? This is what perplexes me about the Hugo.
Despite all that though the Hugo/ Vorzuge Pure amp combo I do find stunning and I actually do not mind carting around the three box solution (only because it sounds that good I can put up with it really) when recently listening to gear at the Headroom show last weekend @ Metropolis studios which was a great second year there. Just wish now I had more time to have talked to Rob or Frank who were both there but was towards end of the day and like the Hi-fi rock stars they are there is always someone wanting to talk to these knowledgeable guys. I actually tried to use the Hugo on it's own to start with headphones I tried there but became apparent I had to strap on the Pure each time hear these headphones sing so seems to be all round an not a specific headphone to me as well as my own headphones.
All I know there is a few of us now using Hugo with the Vorzuge Pure amp and is been done for a reason and don't see why people are afraid of posting their views on this if they are finding the same thing as I don't really care if someone is going to come along and try and talk me down on the subject unless it is going to be Rob or Frank who know their onions on this stuff.
After all they make the stuff out of love for us to use and even brainy guys like Rob & Frank can use feedback that could help them make the next Hugo what us as customers think might be missing that just puts that icing on the cake, in this case it's the dedicated something (maybe an amp) that is not inside the Hugo that is making feel the need to bolt a £400 Vorzuge to listen to headphones with.
I'm not going to loose sleep over it as i'm loving the Pure amp as it is probably one of the most underrated portable amps on here and really gives the Hugo what it needs with headphones an loving it but I would much preferred it was like this in one box to start with!
Apart from that I am loving my Hugo still after living with it for a year and a half now despite the above. Guess I have to have shelled out £400 on an amp for it!