[Luvdac]

Now my h2go has a dedicated 2.4ghz band solely for itself. Thanks @radnor for the great tip. Having said that, should not it be Chord guiding us through the vagaries of the 2go setup?
Back to the music. I've one album with a native coding of 24/352.8 and so far I've played it twice without a glitch, except once when my wife walked by and came between the router and the2go. I heard the sound breaking but then the 2go locked on again.
DSD256 has been more problematic. Diana Krall's live in Paris- I have a dsd 256 vinyl rip, it played the first track just fine, but halfway thru the second track roon threw up the track loading slowly message. This is SOMETIMES repeatable.
So dsd256 is obviously at the upper reaches of the 2go's capabilities.
Currently I am testing upsampling 16 and 24 bit @44.1 and 48khz to max pcm rate as well as to dsd256.
Its still too early to reach any conclusions but there definitely is an improvement to be had by quite a large margin, by reserving the 2.4ghz band for the h2go.
No thanks to Chord, Matt or their mysterious email 'support team'.

How to create playlist:

Thanks for the effort but it still doesn't tell me how to make individual album playlists for each album in one go.

 

[radnor]

Now my h2go has a dedicated 2.4ghz band solely for itself. Thanks @radnor for the great tip. Having said that, should not it be Chord guiding us through the vagaries of the 2go setup?
Back to the music. I've one album with a native coding of 24/352.8 and so far I've played it twice without a glitch, except once when my wife walked by and came between the router and the2go. I heard the sound breaking but then the 2go locked on again.
DSD256 has been more problematic. Diana Krall's live in Paris- I have a dsd 256 vinyl rip, it played the first track just fine, but halfway thru the second track roon threw up the track loading slowly message. This is SOMETIMES repeatable.
So dsd256 is obviously at the upper reaches of the 2go's capabilities.
Currently I am testing upsampling 16 and 24 bit @44.1 and 48khz to max pcm rate as well as to dsd256.
Its still too early to reach any conclusions but there definitely is an improvement to be had by quite a large margin, by reserving the 2.4ghz band for the h2go.
No thanks to Chord, Matt or their mysterious email 'support team'.

at least we have a hacked "fix" to some extent... took a bunch of hours and some investigation.... with zero help from chord!

go into roon dsp settings and in the drop down where max pcm is.. select custom and turn on 192 next to all the bit rates below 192 and see how that works... if we can get rock solid on 192 and reasonably stable with 384 this is a win VS inoperable a few days ago.

i just added a range extender and set this to extend only 2.4 NOT 5ghz as well... so effectively 2GO has its OWN 2.4ghz network... i plugged hue lights, sonos etc direct into main router so they avoid 2.4....will report back in a few day re stability across 192 to 384.... does seem to be better in prelim runs.... was using 384 for a few hours earlier today with no problems (that was impossible a few days ago except at 4AM) .... however 384 (max pcm) acting up again now. will report back.

this thing sounding wonderful with the IER Z1R as well.

 

[Currawong]

YES 2GO is rasberry PI

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH. Is this for real? A $1300 rasberry PI. What a huge rip-off.

No, it's not. When something like a wifi or network scanner tries to determine what a product is, it matches probe data against a list of known products and suggests the nearest one, which may simply be so because of the network-facing electronics. It's no surprise if the wi-fi chip is the same as used on something like a Raspberry Pi or similar.

Here's a pic I took just now of the inside. It's most definitely NOT a Raspberry Pi, nor any off-the-shelf device. It's obviously some kind of custom micro-computer.

No wonder Matt and John get frustrated with people on here when this kind of silliness is posted.

 

[radnor]

No, it's not. When something like a wifi or network scanner tries to determine what a product is, it matches probe data against a list of known products and suggests the nearest one, which may simply be so because of the network-facing electronics. It's no surprise if the wi-fi chip is the same as used on something like a Raspberry Pi or similar.

Here's a pic I took just now of the inside. It's most definitely NOT a Raspberry Pi, nor any off-the-shelf device. It's obviously some kind of custom micro-computer.



No wonder Matt and John get frustrated with people on here when this kind of silliness is posted.

none of this is silliness.... MANY users are pissed that actually paid their own $ to buy this? Did you? Bueller?

the only thing you have confirmed is that it is NOT an off the shelf raspberry pie... everything else stands... stop being the reviewer apologist.

 

[NYanakiev]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH. Is this for real? A $1300 rasberry PI. What a huge rip-off.

No wonder my Samsung 4K TV has been making Chord look like a joke as it is competing against dirt cheap rasberry PI devices.

You must be really proud of your 4K TV... I feel like you have referred to it in every post of yours I have seen on this thread.

Don’t get me wrong, I also really like my 4K LG but....

 

[radnor]

hey @Matt Bartlett for a guy that has such a hard time stepping up here because of your MI5 secret missions... you sure lurk alot... I see you buddy... I'm watching you.

 

[ubs28]

You must be really proud of your 4K TV... I feel like you have referred to it in every post of yours I have seen on this thread.

Don’t get me wrong, I also really like my 4K LG but....

I am not proud about my Samsung 4K TV. But when my TV is a far better streamer than the 2GO and Poly, I have to laugh. Because it is a TV and not a dedicated streamer (and is not marketed as such unlike the 2Go and Poly are).

And now it basically looks like my Samsung 4K TV is the high-end streamer because the people I know who program rasberry pi devices do it because they are on a budget.

Rasberry pi does not belong on high-end premium devices.

I actually know someone who is a big rasberry pi fan and it is his hobby to do everything with it.

I bet if I tell him I want a rasberry pi that is an Airplay 2 and UPnP / DLNA receiver, he might actually produce something similar if not better within 10 minutes.

 

[radnor]

I am officially done posting on here. It seems some have nothing better to do than religiously attack everyone and anyone who dares express an opinion different to theirs.
If I may borrow some of your arsenal: Just RETURN the damn thing. It is CLEARLY the best option for everyone BUT most of all for yourself.

bud we are spending hours trying to find hacks for this thing VS people chiming in adding nothing but lip service... big difference.

as I said... when this thing works it is epic... and we are finding fixes... our frustrations boil over as chord has not done much.

as much as i like to give them a little ribbing - they deserve it for making us suffer... TWICE (poly!) - .... i do however really appreciate such a wonderful sounding rig and will not be returning mine.

great entertainment actually.... listening to my h2go... setting up routers testing bit rates while having flame wars in the 2go forum.... either that or pornhub... great way to spend a pandemic.

Here is the holy trinity... H2GO + LCD 4Z + IER Z1R

the Woo Audio headphone stand is HIGHLY recommended... its basically the same heavy duty metal and identical black finish as the H2GO... looks great together.

 

[enragedlemon]

My Netgear router is close, and doesn't have anything on the 2.4 GHz band (or shouldn't -- everything should connect to the 5 Ghz band first) and there are only 2 other routers using the same channel anywhere nearby.

I am beginning to wonder if the reported successes are a product of a perfect environment like this? As long as I’m in the same room as an AP and someone doesn’t walk too closely to me between it and the router I get really stellar results. I also spent a few days at the beginning testing different network configurations which has helped massively as well. However as soon as I leave the room a dropout occurs. This absolutely should never happen on any modern wireless device, let alone on one so expensive. I wouldn't call this setup portable per se but I’d still expect to be able to move rooms without losing audio. And let’s be honest, if you can stream multiple 4K HDR videos with Dolby Atmos audio across wifi in real-time (my Plex server does and it’s also a micro PC) a single stream of stereo audio at any quality should better bloody well be flawless.

No wonder Matt and John get frustrated with people on here when this kind of silliness is posted.

No wonder paying customers get frustrated from a lack of support from Chord, more like. I was staunchly against all the backlash at the beginning because very little time had passed, but as I said at the time that goodwill only lasts so long.

I am officially done posting on here. It seems some have nothing better to do than religiously attack everyone and anyone who dares express an opinion different to theirs.
If I may borrow some of your arsenal: Just RETURN the damn thing. It is CLEARLY the best option for everyone BUT most of all for yourself.

For me personally I don’t want to return it because it’s the sole purpose I have a Hugo 2. I bought the MojoPoly Christmas pack because I was sick of Android DAPs. That was an unmitigated disaster so I returned it and upgraded to the Hugo 2 in the knowledge Chord had learned a lot from the Poly. Heck, even Matt himself said that the 2Go was based off those learnings. If I return it then diminishes the value of the Hugo to me. I bought it with the expectation I would have a single setup for home, work, holiday etc. I probably will return it but that will be the last Chord product I buy and that’s a damn shame. I would imagine many feel this way.

 

[ubs28]

No, it's not. When something like a wifi or network scanner tries to determine what a product is, it matches probe data against a list of known products and suggests the nearest one, which may simply be so because of the network-facing electronics. It's no surprise if the wi-fi chip is the same as used on something like a Raspberry Pi or similar.

Here's a pic I took just now of the inside. It's most definitely NOT a Raspberry Pi, nor any off-the-shelf device. It's obviously some kind of custom micro-computer.



No wonder Matt and John get frustrated with people on here when this kind of silliness is posted.

I see. I hope it is not a rasberry pi like you claim it is because else it is a huge rip off.

Matt and John should be frustrated with themselves of not delivering a good quality product so that customers would not start to try troubleshooting about what is going on.

I am fine with people doing a little bit of digging.

People also discovered Apple was selling faulty keyboards with their MacBook Pro’s when they did their own investigations (and Apple later admitted it and created a free repair program). So I do not see the harm of it.

 

[jonnyt]

The question about the built-in wifi only having one channel has me asking more questions, and not assuming simply that it should have more channels or 5Ghz, as we don't know what trade-offs, if any, were made so t^'rerrrrrhat 2go would be able to fit into a small box and have sufficient battery life, and which were unnecessary to get reliable streaming. Armchair speculation about chips is just silly.

Exactly, we don't know. Because nobody from Chord will come here and confirm the specifics of the chip. Then we could stop the armchair speculation....

That all being said, Wi-Fi is a load of crap at best. I have always taken the time to lay out physical ethernet connections for all the computers and other devices I use, where possible, so as to avoid it. I'm lucky in that I live in a house with only a few neighbours around that have wi-fi, and I, being more technologically aware than them, bought a multi-channel router, and also have an older Apple Time Machine which I've carefully placed on non-conflicting channels. I reckon that if you live in an apartment and you're seeing a dozen or more routers from your computer's wifi panel, then you most definitely need to be more proactive in avoiding using wi-fi on the 2go.

Well, I guess congratulations that you live in perfect lab conditions, but what about the rest of us in the real world?
Has there EVER been a premium product sold with wifi capabilities where the manufacturer advised: "Of course, wifi is generally considered rubbish, so please try to connect via ethernet wherever possible"?
Do any of your other wifi products (laptops, tvs, ipads etc) require treating like a delicate flower, with their own dedicated wifi channel creating specially for them? Because none of mine do.
My apartment might not be sterile enough for the 2go but a dozen other products work flawlessly, (most of which cost orders of magnitude less that the 2go) so I guess it can't be that bad

Lastly, if it is driving you insane, send the thing back.

That's the problem. When it works it sounds GREAT. Which is why we're persevering.
It's deeply condescending to talk to us like we're just moaning customers when in fact we're spending hours of our own time performing the UAT that Chord should have done themselves so that we can help fix the 2go and make it into a better product.

What I'm waiting on is @Matt Bartlett to either deny the accusation of using a bargain basement wifi chip and assure us that future firmware updates will fix the connectivity issues or admit that it's true and we will forevermore need utterly ideal wifi conditions in order to have a functional, portable solution (like they advertise the 2go as being).

 

[radnor]

FYI... from my friend in the ROON forum:

"I see over on head-fi they have latched on to Meraki miss-identifying the 2Go as a Raspberry Pi. Please let them know that Meraki device identification is fundamentally flawed at best, and should be ignored. Currawong is correct; they are trying to identify the device based on network traffic patterns and other signatures, and it’s more often wrong than correct. Looking through all my client devices, Meraki has miss-identified about 65% of them. I have two actual RPi4s. Meraki has identified one of them as “Generic Linux” and the other as “iPod” (yes, really). Ignore the the Meraki auto-fingerprinting.
The “MAXSPEED” indicates the OUI registration for the Wi-Fi MAC address prefix, but even that doesn’t mean much; smaller companies often order their chips from other larger vendors since they don’t have enough volume to get a custom run with their own OUI. (When I says “enough volume”, I am talking a hundred thousand (or more) chips in a single batch. Chord is a small, boutique company and that kind of bulk purchase doesn’t make sense for them.)"

 

[GreenBow]

Of resolution, I wouldn't bother trying to deal with music above 192k or DSD128. Given even a lot of 192k music has a lot of ADC noise in the higher frequencies (depending on the ADC used) you're fussing over inaudible noise. 48, 88.2 or 96k is arguably more sane.

You probably know this but I should add it anyway. The green filter on the Hugo 2 is to filter out HF noise caused by high res files.

 

[Luvdac]

Ok. Its been an hour or more of listening to 16/24/44.1/48 upsampled to dsd256. Smooth sailing all the way ( keeping ma wife a few feet away from the rig....)

is the dedicated 2.4 ghz the cure....?!?!

 

[radnor]

is the dedicated 2.4 ghz the cure....?!?!

sounds like the wife has been part of the problem!