Chinese / Asian Brand Info Thread (On or Over Ear Headphones)
May 3, 2020 at 2:54 PM Post #6,091 of 7,153
Well, the following is a no-brainer recommendation: any of the 5-6 clones of the ISK MDH9000 closed back headphone.

Example: the Lyxpro HAS-30 (I owned one, gifted it to a friend)
https://www.amazon.com/LyxPro-HAS-30-Professional-Headphones-Entertainment/dp/B018Y5CVO0

If you could get one for ~$50 CAD, just do it. The clones all have the same sound: somewhat warm, rich/deep bass, excellent soundstaging for a closed back, and musical mids & highs.

Is this a highly resolving headphone? The last word in dynamics? Nope. But is it an extreme value for the $$? Yup.

I take my Marantz MPH-2 (one of the clones) to Canada each year for vaca. Just that & my old FiiO e10K make a terrific system. Believe it or not, I don't really miss my considerably better headphones & amps left back home. That's how pleasing this headphone is...
 
May 3, 2020 at 3:03 PM Post #6,092 of 7,153
Well, the following is a no-brainer recommendation: any of the 5-6 clones of the ISK MDH9000 closed back headphone.

Example: the Lyxpro HAS-30 (I owned one, gifted it to a friend)
https://www.amazon.com/LyxPro-HAS-30-Professional-Headphones-Entertainment/dp/B018Y5CVO0

If you could get one for ~$50 CAD, just do it. The clones all have the same sound: somewhat warm, rich/deep bass, excellent soundstaging for a closed back, and musical mids & highs.

Is this a highly resolving headphone? The last word in dynamics? Nope. But is it an extreme value for the $$? Yup.

I take my Marantz MPH-2 (one of the clones) to Canada each year for vaca. Just that & my old FiiO e10K make a terrific system. Believe it or not, I don't really miss my considerably better headphones & amps left back home. That's how pleasing this headphone is...

Thanks! I’ll see what I can find!

Edit: Turns out visions.ca has the Marantz version for $58 CAD right now, with free shipping. En route, and thanks for the suggestion!
 
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May 3, 2020 at 5:59 PM Post #6,093 of 7,153
Thanks! I’ll see what I can find!

Edit: Turns out visions.ca has the Marantz version for $58 CAD right now, with free shipping. En route, and thanks for the suggestion!

That's a sensational price! The MPH-2s are my favorite of the clones...they just look snazzy to me.

A couple suggestions:
  1. Burn them in for best sound. It's a semi-controversial topic here, but some headphones sound a little wonky when you first put them on, then get better over time. Some burn in for 100 hrs; I've always done 150 hrs. Not all headphones need it, but it's pretty hard to tell in advance which ones will...
  2. And if you happen to have a large head, like me, you may find that clamping pressure excessive. What I did was expand the headphone pretty widely whenever not in use -- part of the time I would rest them stretched out over the top of my big desktop computer; other times I'd stretch them out over the stuffed/padded arm of a sofa. Doing that for days/weeks really helps.
Please post impressions re the sound & look/comfort of these headphones whenever ready.
 
May 3, 2020 at 6:07 PM Post #6,094 of 7,153
I have a pretty big head, and luckily the ISK MDH9000 clones fit me fine.
They have plenty of bass and accept Brainwavz earpads, which is what I like.
They're my favorite wired over-ear headphones.
 
May 7, 2020 at 6:25 PM Post #6,096 of 7,153
I bought the Taotronics Soundsurge 55 ANC over-ears. I've had them for a week or two, and I've been wearing them lots, inside and outside.

I make no claim to be an experienced audiophile. For some sort of insight: my usual headphones/earphones are 598s if I want good sound, and I wear JVC HA-F160 or NiceHCK B40s flat earbuds when I want comfortable, lightweight sound.

I bought the 55s purely based on their noise cancelling ability as it had been described in a number of online reviews. One reviewer I regard pretty highly stated that "without a doubt, they offer the best ANC performance of any budget ANC headphones [he'd] ever tested." so I took the plunge, noting here also that he rated the 55s lower than the same brand's 46 and 85 models when it came to sound and build quality. Other reviewers, including a Youtube reviewer who did side-by-side audio (sound quality and cancellation) tests with Sony and Bose models, also reported what they described as better-than-price-expected ANC.

My thinking is: I can EQ/MSEB for improved sound, but there's nothing I can do to change the ANC from what the headphone delivers.

Well, the sound quality is acceptable, but not excellent. Natively, to my ears, low end is merely OK, mids are there and enjoyable but unspectacular in any way, highs are decent, but I'm old so really high stuff is dog-whistle to me, anyways. I'll give them a loose 70% for sound and maybe 80% for spoken word. But, that said, with a touch of fiddling the sound is still enjoyable enough to me for walking around town, or when in my listening room and not wanting to hear my space-heater or fan, and easily acceptable enough for a long aircraft ride, and that's because...

...the ANC rawks on these, especially at the price. I mean: the ANC is seriously good. I was--and still am--shocked at how good.

Up till now, I've used a merely OK set of ANC in-ear phones I purchased about 7 years ago on a flight with Westjet. The problem with the Westjet phones was 1) they only cancelled engine noise to about 60-70%, 2) they weren't loud enough, even with ANC on, for me to hear onboard entertainment or sound from my players without also using an M-Audio booster, and 3) I hate in-ear phones, even with good tips.

But these 55s truly deliver when it comes to ANC. The Westjet set doesn't even come close. There are three levels of ANC available: Travel, Office and Ambient.

Travel mode is extremely quiet, pretty much silence. Traffic noise is *hugely* reduced and even the train that runs very close to my house is essentially noiseless when I'm outside wearing these. Office ANC is next and I really can't hear much difference with Travel mode. The third mode is a pass-through of some sort, and I think it would be easy to hear cabin announcements and such with Ambient.

I've received calls from a few folks while wearing these and the verdict from everyone so far is they sound "normal" or "like usual." I'm very happy with that.

Also, the 55s are quite comfortable. I wear glasses and I have bigger ears and these fit me really nicely. It's no issue for me to wear these for hours at a time, although when I'm outside walking and it's warm, I do have to wipe some sweat after a while (but I've had that with other over-ear eadphones, so...). They aren't as comfortable as the 598s, but they're fine on my head.

I don't lose the Bluetooth anywhere in my 1500 sq ft place, whether connected to my PC, my S8+ or Huawei P30Pro phones, or my AP80 player. Also: the 55s support 3.5 wired connection. Big plus! And ANC works, incoming audio or not. And: they go plenty loud enough no matter the connection type.

Come with 2-pole aircraft adaptor, USB A to C cable, and a regular 3.5 to 3.5 cable.
Taotronics states: Bluetooth v5.0, HFP v1.7, A2DP v1.3, AVRCP v1.5, cVc8.0; APTX AAC SBC; Type-C Fast charging.

Final note: would I rather have the Bose or the Sony TOTL? Probably, but I don't lust after them any more. These 55s will do me just fine.
 
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May 8, 2020 at 7:56 PM Post #6,097 of 7,153
I bought the Taotronics Soundsurge 55 ANC over-ears. I've had them for a week or two, and I've been wearing them lots, inside and outside.

I make no claim to be an experienced audiophile. For some sort of insight: my usual headphones/earphones are 598s if I want good sound, and I wear JVC HA-F160 or NiceHCK B40s flat earbuds when I want comfortable, lightweight sound.

I bought the 55s purely based on their noise cancelling ability as it had been described in a number of online reviews. One reviewer I regard pretty highly stated that "without a doubt, they offer the best ANC performance of any budget ANC headphones [he'd] ever tested." so I took the plunge, noting here also that he rated the 55s lower than the same brand's 46 and 85 models when it came to sound and build quality. Other reviewers, including a Youtube reviewer who did side-by-side audio (sound quality and cancellation) tests with Sony and Bose models, also reported what they described as better-than-price-expected ANC.

My thinking is: I can EQ/MSEB for improved sound, but there's nothing I can do to change the ANC from what the headphone delivers.

Well, the sound quality is acceptable, but not excellent. Natively, to my ears, low end is merely OK, mids are there and enjoyable but unspectacular in any way, highs are decent, but I'm old so really high stuff is dog-whistle to me, anyways. I'll give them a loose 70% for sound and maybe 80% for spoken word. But, that said, with a touch of fiddling the sound is still enjoyable enough to me for walking around town, or when in my listening room and not wanting to hear my space-heater or fan, and easily acceptable enough for a long aircraft ride, and that's because...

...the ANC rawks on these, especially at the price. I mean: the ANC is seriously good. I was--and still am--shocked at how good.

Up till now, I've used a merely OK set of ANC in-ear phones I purchased about 7 years ago on a flight with Westjet. The problem with the Westjet phones was 1) they only cancelled engine noise to about 60-70%, 2) they weren't loud enough, even with ANC on, for me to hear onboard entertainment or sound from my players without also using an M-Audio booster, and 3) I hate in-ear phones, even with good tips.

But these 55s truly deliver when it comes to ANC. The Westjet set doesn't even come close. There are three levels of ANC available: Travel, Office and Ambient.

Travel mode is extremely quiet, pretty much silence. Traffic noise is *hugely* reduced and even the train that runs very close to my house is essentially noiseless when I'm outside wearing these. Office ANC is next and I really can't hear much difference with Travel mode. The third mode is a pass-through of some sort, and I think it would be easy to hear cabin announcements and such with Ambient.

I've received calls from a few folks while wearing these and the verdict from everyone so far is they sound "normal" or "like usual." I'm very happy with that.

Also, the 55s are quite comfortable. I wear glasses and I have bigger ears and these fit me really nicely. It's no issue for me to wear these for hours at a time, although when I'm outside walking and it's warm, I do have to wipe some sweat after a while (but I've had that with other over-ear eadphones, so...). They aren't as comfortable as the 598s, but they're fine on my head.

I don't lose the Bluetooth anywhere in my 1500 sq ft place, whether connected to my PC, my S8+ or Huawei P30Pro phones, or my AP80 player. Also: the 55s support 3.5 wired connection. Big plus! And ANC works, incoming audio or not. And: they go plenty loud enough no matter the connection type.

Come with 2-pole aircraft adaptor, USB A to C cable, and a regular 3.5 to 3.5 cable.
Taotronics states: Bluetooth v5.0, HFP v1.7, A2DP v1.3, AVRCP v1.5, cVc8.0; APTX AAC SBC; Type-C Fast charging.

Final note: would I rather have the Bose or the Sony TOTL? Probably, but I don't lust after them any more. These 55s will do me just fine.
I've purchased Taotronics Soundsurge 55 ANC too, and returned it a week later. Sound quality was really bad throughout the entire frequency range, even for a Bluetooth headphone. Soound was equally bad using a 3.5mm cable - so it's not Bluetooth's fault. Comfort was really bad too - I was afraid that the headphones will squeeze my brain out through the nose. Granted, my head is larger than average, but still...
I didn't test ANC, since I found the headphones unusable.

These Vipex headphones at 1/2 the price were much better both sound and comfort-wise: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083LM2W2W
Its SQ is surprisingly good, despite no APTX support.
ANC is basic, but works pretty well with low-frequency constant noise.

Avantree Audition Pro is another step up in both sound quality and comfort: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32635590777.htm or https://www.amazon.com/Avantree-Wireless-Headphones-Comfortable-Bluetooth/dp/B01A0EAYDI/
No ANC, but NFC is present.
 
May 9, 2020 at 6:00 PM Post #6,098 of 7,153
These Vipex headphones at 1/2 the price were much better both sound and comfort-wise...ANC is basic, but works pretty well with low-frequency constant noise.

Avantree Audition Pro is another step up in both sound quality and comfort: ...No ANC, but NFC is present.

I have no quarrel with any of that, Even the first reviewer I noted put the 55s last for sound quality of the three competing Soundsurge headphones they'd reviewed. So I have no doubt there are better sounding ANC bluetooth headphones out there.

But I also made really clear that ANC was my top priority with these. That is where the budget-priced 55s really deliver, and why I noted in my review that "my usual headphones/earphones are 598s if I want good sound, and I wear JVC HA-F160 or NiceHCK B40s flat earbuds when I want comfortable, lightweight sound."

It's still also true that "I can EQ/MSEB for improved sound, but there's nothing I can do to change the ANC from what the headphone delivers." In some situations, it's either good ANC or not much enjoyment at all, regardless of quality in other areas. (Additionally, lots of ANC headsets have crappy phone quality--these don't. The call quality is really quite good.)

This linked audio/video Yuoutube review (not by me) provides some testing and context:

https://azchart.info/what/25-WaLDPj...es-rev-ew-compared-to-sony-300-anc-headphones
 
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May 10, 2020 at 2:48 PM Post #6,099 of 7,153
hey everyone! i'm looking for some comfortable, decent-sounding (and cheap) bluetooth headphones i can wear for hours. are the avantree audition pro a good option or is there anything better for that price?
 
May 10, 2020 at 3:08 PM Post #6,100 of 7,153
hey everyone! i'm looking for some comfortable, decent-sounding (and cheap) bluetooth headphones i can wear for hours. are the avantree audition pro a good option or is there anything better for that price?
If you want to be able to attach Brainwavz earpads, and you want a decent amount of bass, it's hard to beat the Avantree Audition Pro.
If you don't care about those things, there might be something better for the price.
By the way, they are the only Bluetooth headphones I own, so I don't have a collection of Bluetooth headphones to compare them to.
And this thread is all about Bluetooth headphones:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/hug...phones-post-your-own-comparisons-here.746519/
 
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May 10, 2020 at 7:28 PM Post #6,101 of 7,153
If you want to be able to attach Brainwavz earpads, and you want a decent amount of bass, it's hard to beat the Avantree Audition Pro.
If you don't care about those things, there might be something better for the price.
By the way, they are the only Bluetooth headphones I own, so I don't have a collection of Bluetooth headphones to compare them to.
And this thread is all about Bluetooth headphones:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/hug...phones-post-your-own-comparisons-here.746519/
thanks!
none of those things are really important to me actually.
i've posted in this thread cause it was more active and the last few messages were about bluetooth headphones. should i post my message in the other one as well? (i don't want to seem spammish)

also, since you own the avantree pro, how has your experience been with them?
 
May 10, 2020 at 7:58 PM Post #6,102 of 7,153
You can post in both threads if you want.
I don't think it would be spammy.
I really like my Avantree Audition Pro.
They don't have as much bass as my wired over-ear headphones, but they're still great.
I put sheepskin earpads on mine, as I do all my over-ear headphones, and they are extremely comfortable that way.
Check out the OP of the thread that I linked to for some other great Bluetooth headphones.
The OP in that thread hasn't been updated in several years, but it's the best guide to BT headphones that I could find online.
Prices aren't listed, so you have to do some research.
Good luck in your search.
 
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May 10, 2020 at 8:08 PM Post #6,103 of 7,153
hey everyone! i'm looking for some comfortable, decent-sounding (and cheap) bluetooth headphones i can wear for hours. are the avantree audition pro a good option or is there anything better for that price?
Avantree Audition Pro is the most comfortable and best sounding Bluetooth headphone I own or auditioned under 200$.
I use them daily to listen to TV.
 
May 16, 2020 at 2:53 PM Post #6,104 of 7,153
I finally got the Gold Planar GL400 (open version). Took six weeks to arrive. I guess Covid-19 is still affecting the deliviries.
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Since there is little information availaible on these headphones I'll start by correcting what has been written about these headphones elsewhere. There is a review that states "You get a well-padded headband with a good albeit plastic mechanism to adjust for sizing. The earcups swivel and pivot which aids the comfort somewhat. " First of all the slider mechanism is made of metal, not plastic. What is more important is that earcups do not pivot. The cups swivel 180 degrees so you can lay them flat but the cups do not pivot. To make it clear by pivoting I mean the vertical movement of the cups which makes them adjust to your headshape.

Cups on Beyerdynamic T1 tilt freely to achieve proper fit.
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Allmost all headphones do that to some extent because without pivot mechanism it is unlikely most people get a comfortable fit. GL400 and Martin Logan Mikros 90 are only headphones I can think of that have no pivot mechanism whatsoever. Kind of makes me wonder how someone who reviews headphones professionally can miss something like that.

As you can see from this inside pic there is no hidden mechanism that allows the cups to tilt.

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So why am I making such a big fuzz about lack of this pivot mechanism?

1) This design makes the headphones extremely uncomfortable

2) It affects sound quality in a very negative way


These are propably the most uncomfortable headphones I've ever had. Generally I don't even find on-ear headphones uncomfortable. The clamping force is concentrated mostly on the upper portion of the ear.

Look how it fits on my measurement kit.
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It is a pain to wear and it also leaves lower parts lacking seal which of course affects sound quality. GL400 sounds hollow and depending on seal issues can lack bass. It sounds like listening to music through a metal tube. Loudness like, fatiquing, reverby mess. Upper treble is severely recessed. Cymbals lack shimmer and presentation in general is lacking air. Lot of these negatives could have been avoided with a pivot system. When I push the cups near my jaw things clear up nicely. Bass is still soft and loose sounding for a planar but midrange clarity is improved so much that I think these headphones actually have potential. Treble is still quite nonexistent no matter what I do.

Few words about earpads... Stupid fixed headband system is not the only culprit when it comes to lack of comfort. Earpads suck. Pads look quite nice on pictures but the foam inside is too soft and the actual soft part of the pads is only about half of what you'd guess by looking at them.


This is the actual thickness of the earpads
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I wanted to do some measurements but on ear headphones are always tricky with mini dps ears. It is even more tricky with headphones like gl400 that don't adapt to headshape at all. So I taped the headphones on the measurement rig.

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So the measurement is iffy at best. However that is pretty much how it sounds to my ears. Shouty, loudness like midrange lacking any higher frequencies. Channel balance is nice but because of the tape job I did that can't be trusted.
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These headphones could have potential with different headband and more comfortable earpads. Some mods to bring out the highs and lower the 1khz-3khz region to tone down the shouty loudness effect. Frequency response has no weird dips or peaks. I can't think of a cheap headphone that is so linear. It has great bass extension down to 20hz. If someone came up with proper mods these could easily be the best headphones under $100. Technicalities are there but I'm kind of pissed that Gold Planar released this mess that is more like a prototype than a finished product.

The housing they used on this headphone is a generic one. I had dick smith vt-h68's which look a lot like and those had a all metal housing. On gl400 cups are plastic. So they took a very plain design and downgraded from metal to plastic. Many major brands use this design.

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I can't say for certain but if gold planar got their parts from Shenzhen Vtsonic they should have atleast used the better model vt-h63. If this sounds or looks familiar it's because not long ago I recommended rebrand kit sound milano in this thread. GL400 with those pads and pivot function could have been a homerun.
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Stil... if someone want's to give GL400 a go, good news is that ear pads can easily be replaced. Attachement ring is not glued on so you can use any pads you like that are about the right size.
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Other things:

- Very light for a planar. Reported weight is 160g.
- Cable is microphonic
- Quite easy to drive, straight out of a oneplus 6 it was decent.
 

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May 16, 2020 at 6:20 PM Post #6,105 of 7,153
Seems not worth the money sadly :frowning2: We can still get Echo TDS-16 something like 50€ euros from eBay. It has pivot mechanic and sound is decent. A bit heavier than GL400.
 

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