[HiFiChris]

So the Zs5 has little better mid range then the px?

No, I wouldn't say so - it's a matter of preference. The ZS has got the more recessed, clearly leaner midrange, whereas the P1 (and I assume that the PX will be mostly similar, sound-wise) has got the more neutral midrange that is heading into the slightly fuller and darker direction (lower root/lower midrange lift, dip in the presence range).
When it comes to tonal accuracy, the P1 would have the more accurate midrange out of the two, whereas the ZS5's is more "exciting" (but also leaner, more recessed and tendentially hollow).

 

[Vidal]

Anyone know owt about the Ruizu A50 MP3 player?

Looks a lot like the Shanling M1

 

[peter123]

Anyone know owt about the Ruizu A50 MP3 player?

Looks a lot like the Shanling M1

Yeah, they do look similar. According to spec there's a couple of noticeable differences though like micro USB on the Ruizu vs USB C on the M1 and Wolfson chip vs Cirrus on the M1, so certainly not identical.

I'm not able to see if the Ruizu is able to output digital audio either, maybe someone else knows?

 

[Saoshyant]

Amusingly, it already has a Massdrop: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ruizu-a50-dap

 

[bokiboki]

All New FiiO F3 Dynamic In-Ear Monitors
http://s.aliexpress.com/3AfeENR7
(from AliExpress Android)

 

[bokiboki]

All New FiiO F3 Dynamic In-Ear Monitors
http://s.aliexpress.com/3AfeENR7
(from AliExpress Android)

 

[TwinACStacks]

I have both the P1 and the Zs5 and I clearly find the P1 better pretty much all the way around. I find the Zs5 to have a very narrow sound stage, although Full the bass is lacking clarity and somewhat slow, the Mids are recessed. The Biggest thing though, for me PERSONALLY is the comfort. Thank God I didn't invest +600 in the Campfire Hype to find out that design with the square edges is terribly irritating to my ears. YMMV on this aspect. The P1's although lacking a Tad in sub bass have a much more balanced EQ that I quite enjoy, but I would expect as much as they are almost 7x the price of the Zs5.

I'm not saying the Zs5 are bad, in fact they are quite good at their price point. Just IMHO I prefer the P1 by a fairly large margin.

TWIN

 

[crabdog]

Anyone know owt about the Ruizu A50 MP3 player?

Looks a lot like the Shanling M1

Yeah, they do look similar. According to spec there's a couple of noticeable differences though like micro USB on the Ruizu vs USB C on the M1 and Wolfson chip vs Cirrus on the M1, so certainly not identical.

I'm not able to see if the Ruizu is able to output digital audio either, maybe someone else knows?

I should have one next week. AFAIK it's got a standard Line Out. I doubt it can compete with the M1 but for $60 you can hardly complain.

 

[snip3r77]

I have both the P1 and the Zs5 and I clearly find the P1 better pretty much all the way around. I find the Zs5 to have a very narrow sound stage, although Full the bass is lacking clarity and somewhat slow, the Mids are recessed. The Biggest thing though, for me PERSONALLY is the comfort. Thank God I didn't invest +600 in the Campfire Hype to find out that design with the square edges is terribly irritating to my ears. YMMV on this aspect. The P1's although lacking a Tad in sub bass have a much more balanced EQ that I quite enjoy, but I would expect as much as they are almost 7x the price of the Zs5.

I'm not saying the Zs5 are bad, in fact they are quite good at their price point. Just IMHO I prefer the P1 by a fairly large margin.

TWIN

What about p1 and k3 magaosi

 

[bjaardker]

I find the Zs5 to have a very narrow sound stage

@TwinACStacks , did you check your ZS5 for phase issues? In the KZ thread folks have confirmed there's a QA issue with the ZS5 where one or both of the IEMs are wired out of phase. The only reason I ask is that your experience is the exact opposite of many of the initial reports of the ZS5 (including my own). Some were reporting a soundstage so wide and "holographic" that it made them feel uncomfortable. My own experience is that the soundstage is easily one of the widest I've ever heard from an IEM and rivals that of some of my circumaural headphones (Fidelio L2 and Momentum).

Regardless, with the exceptionally wide range of experiences on the KS5, I'm thinking that once again KZ might be running into QA issues. I'm just thankful that I got a good pair this time, unlike my **** DT2+ debacle.

 

[B9Scrambler]

I'm with Twin on his soundstage comments. He knows his $#!t. Both my pairs (one grey, one blue) sound identical. Listening to them against the ZS3 and ZST, the ZS5 clearly has a smaller stage. Better imaging, layering, etc. but a smaller stage nonetheless. It's pretty average. Not a bad thing, but I'm just not hearing the massive expanse others are pitching. Still a kick arse budget eaphone regardless.

 

[canoniz06]

I have both the P1 and the Zs5 and I clearly find the P1 better pretty much all the way around. I find the Zs5 to have a very narrow sound stage, although Full the bass is lacking clarity and somewhat slow, the Mids are recessed. The Biggest thing though, for me PERSONALLY is the comfort. Thank God I didn't invest +600 in the Campfire Hype to find out that design with the square edges is terribly irritating to my ears. YMMV on this aspect. The P1's although lacking a Tad in sub bass have a much more balanced EQ that I quite enjoy, but I would expect as much as they are almost 7x the price of the Zs5.

I'm not saying the Zs5 are bad, in fact they are quite good at their price point. Just IMHO I prefer the P1 by a fairly large margin.

TWIN

Twin, in regards to the lack of sub bass, have you tried stuffing dual flange tips with foam tips? While I don't currently own P1s, this helped out the sub bass tremendously with my M6 Pros. I ask because I'm interested in purchasing the pinnacles in the future.

 

[B9Scrambler]

For those of you who were interested in the TFZ Exclusive Series and missed the reviews, they are now up for the 1, 3, 5, and King;

1: https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/tfz-exclusive-1.22502/reviews

3: https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/tfz-exclusive-3.22503/reviews

5: https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/tfz-exclusive-5.22504/reviews

King: https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/...e-version-hifi-in-ear-earphones.22359/reviews

 

[yangian]

I do - what do you want to know?

In terms of technical performance, the P1 is ahead. Sound signature-wise, the ZS5 has got the stronger sub-bass, leaner lower midrange/fundamental range, brighter upper midrange, more relaxed 5 kHz range and brighter treble past 10 kHz whereas the MEE is more forward between 8 and 10 kHz.
The ZS5 is more efficient (needs less voltage for the same volume); the P1 has got the larger soundstage.

Imo, the Pinnacle PX, priced around 100-something-ish, is a nice deal (I don't find it worth the full $200, sound quality-wise).

You don't think P1 worthy $200 according to SQ, so do you think RE2000 worthy 2000 according to SQ?

 

[HiFiChris]

You don't think P1 worthy $200 according to SQ, so do you think RE2000 worthy 2000 according to SQ?

Not fully - its bass is awesomely textured and it has got a razor-sharp separation and great imaging and it also resolves extremely well, especially for a dynamic driver in-ear, but its treble is not as realistic as it could be. In terms of treble authenticity, I have heard and own several IEMs and headphones in the $1000 to $2000 range that perform somewhat better. Also, I think that the cable is not worthy of a flagship IEM, as is the choice of how they got the logo on the shells' faceplates.
It is an amazing IEM but not as good as it could/should be in terms of treble realism/authenticity.

Anyway, for the price of the P1, if I had to choose, I would personally rather pick the Pai Audio MR3, Brainwavz B200 or LEAR LHF-AE1d instead.
I never said it's a bad IEM - but imo not worth the full $200 (neither is the IE 80 or T20 imo).


In the end, a product is worth as much as you are willing to pay for it though....