Chinese / Asian Brand IEM Info Thread
Jan 12, 2018 at 12:24 PM Post #14,236 of 33,689
I’m not exactly sure what’s going on, but has anyone noticed how the Tin Audio T2 reacts to cables that are different than the supplied one?

My original MMCX cable included with the T2 turned blue (maybe it oxidized...?) and got all twisted, so I sought a new one. I got a cheap one from AliExpress for ~$10 and it sounded quite worse than the original cable. I also tried my KC09 cable and an 8-core, silver-plated cable from Mee Audio. That one doesn’t sound any better than the cheap one. All these cables seem to alter the original sound, making vocals and instruments seem farther away and with less fidelity. The overall sound appears *a lot* thinner too, like it removed most of the body as well as some clarity. It seems like it’s trying to artificially create a larger soundstage??? I have no clue. It doesn’t seem to matter if I use a DAC or my phone’s headphone jack, the sound seems very altered either way.

Does anyone know what’s going on? I’m very confused and just want the original sound of my T2s but with an upgraded cable. I really don’t know much about this kinda stuff; is there a type of MMCX cable or brand that won’t alter the sound?
 
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Jan 12, 2018 at 1:44 PM Post #14,237 of 33,689
making vocals and instruments seem farther away and with less fidelity. The overall sound appears *a lot* thinner too, like it removed most of the body as well as some clarity. It seems like it’s trying to artificially create a larger soundstage???

That sounds like what happens when a cable is not in far enough
 
Jan 12, 2018 at 4:36 PM Post #14,238 of 33,689
That sounds like what happens when a cable is not in far enough
That’s what I thought, but I made sure the cables were properly connected and it still does this.
 
Jan 12, 2018 at 9:22 PM Post #14,239 of 33,689
I’m not exactly sure what’s going on, but has anyone noticed how the Tin Audio T2 reacts to cables that are different than the supplied one?

My original MMCX cable included with the T2 turned blue (maybe it oxidized...?) and got all twisted, so I sought a new one. I got a cheap one from AliExpress for ~$10 and it sounded quite worse than the original cable. I also tried my KC09 cable and an 8-core, silver-plated cable from Mee Audio. That one doesn’t sound any better than the cheap one. All these cables seem to alter the original sound, making vocals and instruments seem farther away and with less fidelity. The overall sound appears *a lot* thinner too, like it removed most of the body as well as some clarity. It seems like it’s trying to artificially create a larger soundstage??? I have no clue. It doesn’t seem to matter if I use a DAC or my phone’s headphone jack, the sound seems very altered either way.

Does anyone know what’s going on? I’m very confused and just want the original sound of my T2s but with an upgraded cable. I really don’t know much about this kinda stuff; is there a type of MMCX cable or brand that won’t alter the sound?
Have you tried reversing sides on the other cables? Sounds like they could be out of phase.
 
Jan 13, 2018 at 1:18 AM Post #14,240 of 33,689
I’m not exactly sure what’s going on, but has anyone noticed how the Tin Audio T2 reacts to cables that are different than the supplied one
[...]and an 8-core, silver-plated cable from Mee Audio. That one doesn’t sound any better than the cheap one. All these cables seem to alter the original sound, making vocals and instruments seem farther away and with less fidelity. The overall sound appears *a lot* thinner too, like it removed most of the body as well as some clarity. It seems like it’s trying to artificially create a larger soundstage??? I have no clue. It doesn’t seem to matter if I use a DAC or my phone’s headphone jack, the sound seems very altered either way.

Does anyone know what’s going on? I’m very confused and just want the original sound of my T2s but with an upgraded cable. I really don’t know much about this kinda stuff; is there a type of MMCX cable or brand that won’t alter the sound?

I usually interchange the different mmcx cables when I have several such IEM's in use.
What you describe is what I usually hear with the Pinnacle P1 original cable with different IEM's as well with the T2.
I tried the Brainwavz B200 cable and these are fairly similar to the original T2 cable soundwise. Fit is different due to the wire pre-shape.
 
Jan 13, 2018 at 2:08 AM Post #14,241 of 33,689

LZ A5 – Starting the year right, the Prodigal son returns

Initial Impressions


Introduction
I have to say that LZ is one of the few brands in this lovely hobby of ours that has never ceased to amaze me, not only because of the quality of their releases, but also because of their willingness to listen to their customers and at the same making major strides. The A5 is no exception in this regard.

Disclaimer
I want to say a big thank you to LZ and NiceHCK for providing me with a sample unit. I have received no compensation for writing about the A5 and this piece represents my initial opinion and should be taken as such. I reserve the right to change my opinion as time goes on.

General
Truth be told, it was only recently that I learned of the A5 and that it was already in production and most importantly, the release date wasn’t too far off. I have been using the A4 as my daily driver since reviewing it, and so naturally I am quite interested to try and see how the A5 turns out.

LZ truly shines when it comes to tuning their products, but their ergonomics can leave a lot to be desired. So looking at the A5 design it appears that they went back to the drawing board to set things straight and I am happy to say that they have hit a home run when it comes to ergonomics. Good on them for not resting on their laurels after success with the A4 and Big Dipper.

Enough with the jibber jabber, lets move on to the good stuff!

Unboxing


As you can see the A5 comes in a very understated and minimally designed black box, going for the whole minimalism look I suppose. I guess it's what's on the inside that counts more (at least thats what I like to tell myself when looking at the mirror lol).

The A5 is fastened securely in the box and is sure to survive the most bumpy of journeys. I do wish that the packaging included more accessories, would have been a nice touch. Some documentation and warranty details are also included for your reference. Who reads manuals anyway lol.

Build Quality
The housing is dark shell that is smooth to the touch, sporting a red wind logo on the side. The housings feel light, sturdy and decidedly premium. I cannot overstate just how far LZ has come along in the ergonomics section. These just disappear into you ears. LZ has clearly been listening to customer feedback.



The included cable is wrapped in a cloth/fibre sheath. It is resistant to tangling but prone to transmitting noise, which seems noticeable while walking around the house. I should mention that I detest adjustable earhooks/guides and so I was unhappy to see it included on the stock cable but it's not the worst implementation I have seen. I am adjusting albeit begrudgingly so.



I kind of wish the included cable was terminated in a balanced connector with various adapters to extended functionality, especially in light of light accessories.

The included tuning filters are screwed into a small metal block - which I find to be convenient. No need to worry about filters falling out or losing them somewhere, just leave them screwed in. But as with the A4 filters, one must be careful not to lose the little black rubber rings that are screwed onto the filters. They will not just nilly will fall off, but all the same something to keep in mind.

General
For initial testing I tried to streamline things and stuck to sources I am greatly familiar with, that is to say my Macbook pro and FiiO E17K. I didn't find the A5 too hard to drive and I was easily able to attain listening levels with my laptop and cellphone without having to resort to a portable amp.

The LZ A5 is a 4 BA + 1 DD beast and it sports 4 different tuning options, each with a different color. I have taken tuning information from the manual and prepared it in a more visually pleasing manner and this time I made sure to watermark the damn thing(I am looking at you massdrop lol!).



As you can see from the table above, the affected frequency range is wider and not as targeted as the A4, for better or for worse.

Option paralysis is a real thing and I for one am glad they have streamlined the tuning options. When it came to the A4, out of the possible 18 or so tuning combinations, I mostly used 2 or 3 at most. For the A5 it seems have greatly simplified it and improved the quality of change produced by each filter combination. As the old adage goes, quality over quantity. Unless of course we are talking about Pizza because I am ALL about that quantity over quality life.

From my initial listening, this is how I hear it:
In order of increasing brightness - Red > Gray > Black > Blue

I am going to go ahead and say that the black filters are my favourite and I suspect many will feel the same way. All my sound impressions are based on the black filters. My full review will touch upon more detailed impressions for all the filters, as well as how it sounds running balanced.

As mentioned earlier, the A5 wasn't terribly hard to drive, but I found it to really come alive when driven by a good DAP, which is the way it should be. So if you want to see what the A5 can do, use a dedicated dac/amp such as the FiiO E17K for example.


I know I have been rambling on and complaining about the A5, but the truth is, none of my complaints are about the SOUND. Because that is where it blew me away. With the black filters on, the A5 is making me feel things I haven't felt in a long time. But before I get to that, I should mention that the degree of isolation is bonkers because I legit feel cut off from the rest of the world while using the A5, so please watch where you are going when out and about while using the A5.



Sound Impressions
I would describe the A5 as sounding spacious and truly larger than life. Regardless of what you may be listening to, the A5 just sucks you in with a sense of realism and depth that was missing from a4 and earlier iterations. It sounds true to life, very much like a good set of speakers.

Detail retrieval and presentation gets top marks. The details are not all thrown at your face like "HEY LOOK YOU CAN HEAR THE JANITOR COUGHING FROM THE FLOOR BELOW THE RECORDING STUDIO" but rather in a musical way. You can easily follow a specific part of the song or instrument without losing track of it in the mix.

On that note, I found the positioning of instruments and spatial cues to be wholly convincing. This is helped along with a realistically (I really need to buy a thesaurus) proportioned soundstage. What's more, there are times where it seems the sounds are coming from outside my head. ASMR and binaural recordings were quite convincing and easily gave me goosebumps.

This time around, the filters don't seem to be tweaking the bass overtly. The bass is fantastic, carrying a lot of weight and rumble in the sub bass region, with nary a midrange bleed to be seen. In fact, it is all too easy to make out textures of bass notes and the superb separation helps keep it in play without coming off as bass heavy. If you can't tell already, I LOVE the bass, it is well proportioned and has nice impact, helping bring percussion and string instruments to life. The sub bass rumble is remarkable and very reminiscent of a speaker setup

The midrange was spacious and full with lots of layering and details. Guitars sound full and crunchy and vocals are intimate and full of texture. While you can't make out what the singer might have had for breakfast, its detailed enoughtthat you can hear all the little harmonies in the background. The transition from bass to midrange is seamless, lacking the sudden transition one might find with inferior hybrids.

The treble will greatly depend on the filter used. When using the black filters, I found it to be balanced with the rest of the spectrum. It carried micro detailing and helped paint a wide soundstage while adding a bit of sizzle up top. As someone who is treble sensitive, I didn't find it to be strident or forward for the sake of being "AUDIOPHILE" friendly. The black filter sounds quite natural and effortless, sounding detailed without coming off as harsh. Vocal and Instrumental Timbre is well preserved and presented in all it's glory.

Conclusion
Overall, the A5 renders a very cohesive presentation where nothing sorely sticks out. The sound is complex and layered and musical at the same time. I found it to excel with eclectic music collection which spans many genres. While I can't guarantee that your field recordings of lions mating will sound true to life, most songs will sound like the bees knees.



My initial impressions are strong and I am looking forward to trying out the other filters more. Truth be told, the black filter set already sounds so good that I don't feel the need the try out the others.

And now I leave you with a shot of my face as I listen to the LZ A5

 
Jan 13, 2018 at 4:21 AM Post #14,242 of 33,689

LZ A5 – Starting the year right, the Prodigal son returns

Initial Impressions


Introduction
I have to say that LZ is one of the few brands in this lovely hobby of ours that has never ceased to amaze me, not only because of the quality of their releases, but also because of their willingness to listen to their customers and at the same making major strides. The A5 is no exception in this regard.

Disclaimer
I want to say a big thank you to LZ and NiceHCK for providing me with a sample unit. I have received no compensation for writing about the A5 and this piece represents my initial opinion and should be taken as such. I reserve the right to change my opinion as time goes on.

General
Truth be told, it was only recently that I learned of the A5 and that it was already in production and most importantly, the release date wasn’t too far off. I have been using the A4 as my daily driver since reviewing it, and so naturally I am quite interested to try and see how the A5 turns out.

LZ truly shines when it comes to tuning their products, but their ergonomics can leave a lot to be desired. So looking at the A5 design it appears that they went back to the drawing board to set things straight and I am happy to say that they have hit a home run when it comes to ergonomics. Good on them for not resting on their laurels after success with the A4 and Big Dipper.

Enough with the jibber jabber, lets move on to the good stuff!

Unboxing


As you can see the A5 comes in a very understated and minimally designed black box, going for the whole minimalism look I suppose. I guess it's what's on the inside that counts more (at least thats what I like to tell myself when looking at the mirror lol).

The A5 is fastened securely in the box and is sure to survive the most bumpy of journeys. I do wish that the packaging included more accessories, would have been a nice touch. Some documentation and warranty details are also included for your reference. Who reads manuals anyway lol.

Build Quality
The housing is dark shell that is smooth to the touch, sporting a red wind logo on the side. The housings feel light, sturdy and decidedly premium. I cannot overstate just how far LZ has come along in the ergonomics section. These just disappear into you ears. LZ has clearly been listening to customer feedback.



The included cable is wrapped in a cloth/fibre sheath. It is resistant to tangling but prone to transmitting noise, which seems noticeable while walking around the house. I should mention that I detest adjustable earhooks/guides and so I was unhappy to see it included on the stock cable but it's not the worst implementation I have seen. I am adjusting albeit begrudgingly so.



I kind of wish the included cable was terminated in a balanced connector with various adapters to extended functionality, especially in light of light accessories.

The included tuning filters are screwed into a small metal block - which I find to be convenient. No need to worry about filters falling out or losing them somewhere, just leave them screwed in. But as with the A4 filters, one must be careful not to lose the little black rubber rings that are screwed onto the filters. They will not just nilly will fall off, but all the same something to keep in mind.

General
For initial testing I tried to streamline things and stuck to sources I am greatly familiar with, that is to say my Macbook pro and FiiO E17K. I didn't find the A5 too hard to drive and I was easily able to attain listening levels with my laptop and cellphone without having to resort to a portable amp.

The LZ A5 is a 4 BA + 1 DD beast and it sports 4 different tuning options, each with a different color. I have taken tuning information from the manual and prepared it in a more visually pleasing manner and this time I made sure to watermark the damn thing(I am looking at you massdrop lol!).



As you can see from the table above, the affected frequency range is wider and not as targeted as the A4, for better or for worse.

Option paralysis is a real thing and I for one am glad they have streamlined the tuning options. When it came to the A4, out of the possible 18 or so tuning combinations, I mostly used 2 or 3 at most. For the A5 it seems have greatly simplified it and improved the quality of change produced by each filter combination. As the old adage goes, quality over quantity. Unless of course we are talking about Pizza because I am ALL about that quantity over quality life.

From my initial listening, this is how I hear it:
In order of increasing brightness - Red > Gray > Black > Blue

I am going to go ahead and say that the black filters are my favourite and I suspect many will feel the same way. All my sound impressions are based on the black filters. My full review will touch upon more detailed impressions for all the filters, as well as how it sounds running balanced.

As mentioned earlier, the A5 wasn't terribly hard to drive, but I found it to really come alive when driven by a good DAP, which is the way it should be. So if you want to see what the A5 can do, use a dedicated dac/amp such as the FiiO E17K for example.


I know I have been rambling on and complaining about the A5, but the truth is, none of my complaints are about the SOUND. Because that is where it blew me away. With the black filters on, the A5 is making me feel things I haven't felt in a long time. But before I get to that, I should mention that the degree of isolation is bonkers because I legit feel cut off from the rest of the world while using the A5, so please watch where you are going when out and about while using the A5.



Sound Impressions
I would describe the A5 as sounding spacious and truly larger than life. Regardless of what you may be listening to, the A5 just sucks you in with a sense of realism and depth that was missing from a4 and earlier iterations. It sounds true to life, very much like a good set of speakers.

Detail retrieval and presentation gets top marks. The details are not all thrown at your face like "HEY LOOK YOU CAN HEAR THE JANITOR COUGHING FROM THE FLOOR BELOW THE RECORDING STUDIO" but rather in a musical way. You can easily follow a specific part of the song or instrument without losing track of it in the mix.

On that note, I found the positioning of instruments and spatial cues to be wholly convincing. This is helped along with a realistically (I really need to buy a thesaurus) proportioned soundstage. What's more, there are times where it seems the sounds are coming from outside my head. ASMR and binaural recordings were quite convincing and easily gave me goosebumps.

This time around, the filters don't seem to be tweaking the bass overtly. The bass is fantastic, carrying a lot of weight and rumble in the sub bass region, with nary a midrange bleed to be seen. In fact, it is all too easy to make out textures of bass notes and the superb separation helps keep it in play without coming off as bass heavy. If you can't tell already, I LOVE the bass, it is well proportioned and has nice impact, helping bring percussion and string instruments to life. The sub bass rumble is remarkable and very reminiscent of a speaker setup

The midrange was spacious and full with lots of layering and details. Guitars sound full and crunchy and vocals are intimate and full of texture. While you can't make out what the singer might have had for breakfast, its detailed enoughtthat you can hear all the little harmonies in the background. The transition from bass to midrange is seamless, lacking the sudden transition one might find with inferior hybrids.

The treble will greatly depend on the filter used. When using the black filters, I found it to be balanced with the rest of the spectrum. It carried micro detailing and helped paint a wide soundstage while adding a bit of sizzle up top. As someone who is treble sensitive, I didn't find it to be strident or forward for the sake of being "AUDIOPHILE" friendly. The black filter sounds quite natural and effortless, sounding detailed without coming off as harsh. Vocal and Instrumental Timbre is well preserved and presented in all it's glory.

Conclusion
Overall, the A5 renders a very cohesive presentation where nothing sorely sticks out. The sound is complex and layered and musical at the same time. I found it to excel with eclectic music collection which spans many genres. While I can't guarantee that your field recordings of lions mating will sound true to life, most songs will sound like the bees knees.



My initial impressions are strong and I am looking forward to trying out the other filters more. Truth be told, the black filter set already sounds so good that I don't feel the need the try out the others.

And now I leave you with a shot of my face as I listen to the LZ A5

Brilliant.....
And now i want the A5 badly... i need to stop subbing threads
 
Jan 13, 2018 at 7:51 PM Post #14,243 of 33,689
Hi guys

I'm looking for an IEM with MMCX connection so I can make a pair of Bluetooth earphones (neck band type) that are better quality than the "off the shelf" stuff.

My plan is to get Chinese IEMs, then pair with an aptX Bluetooth cable bought separately (are there any great quality Chinese ones?) - basically to beat the likes of Sennheiser Momentum Free and the Shure SE215 BTL.

In terms of sound I'd guess I'm looking for a Shure-esque sound signature. My last set of IEMs were Shure SE315s which I loved.

Any recommendations? Budget around £150 for the IEMs + cable.

EDIT - will be driving with a OnePlus 5T via Bluetooth w/ aptX (HD if possible)
 
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Jan 14, 2018 at 12:13 AM Post #14,244 of 33,689
Hi guys

I'm looking for an IEM with MMCX connection so I can make a pair of Bluetooth earphones (neck band type) that are better quality than the "off the shelf" stuff.

My plan is to get Chinese IEMs, then pair with an aptX Bluetooth cable bought separately (are there any great quality Chinese ones?) - basically to beat the likes of Sennheiser Momentum Free and the Shure SE215 BTL.

In terms of sound I'd guess I'm looking for a Shure-esque sound signature. My last set of IEMs were Shure SE315s which I loved.

Any recommendations? Budget around £150 for the IEMs + cable.

EDIT - will be driving with a OnePlus 5T via Bluetooth w/ aptX (HD if possible)
I do have a recommendation but it isnt really chi fi. That would be the Advanced-Sound Model 3. If im correct it has a very similar sound sig to Se215 and the dsp bluetooth module in there is extremely good. I've seen 1 before and the connectivity to bluetooth was seriously fast as hell.
Edit: Btw I don't own them sorry about that
 
Jan 14, 2018 at 12:48 AM Post #14,245 of 33,689
Hi guys

I'm looking for an IEM with MMCX connection so I can make a pair of Bluetooth earphones (neck band type) that are better quality than the "off the shelf" stuff.

My plan is to get Chinese IEMs, then pair with an aptX Bluetooth cable bought separately (are there any great quality Chinese ones?) - basically to beat the likes of Sennheiser Momentum Free and the Shure SE215 BTL.

In terms of sound I'd guess I'm looking for a Shure-esque sound signature. My last set of IEMs were Shure SE315s which I loved.

Any recommendations? Budget around £150 for the IEMs + cable.

EDIT - will be driving with a OnePlus 5T via Bluetooth w/ aptX (HD if possible)

If you want a versatile device (Bluetooth HD aptX / USB DAC / Single-Ended & Balanced Amp), that allows you to use your regular 3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRRS cables, take a look at the EarStudio - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/323636065/earstudio-worlds-first-studio-quality-bluetooth-re
 
Jan 14, 2018 at 3:28 AM Post #14,246 of 33,689
If you want a versatile device (Bluetooth HD aptX / USB DAC / Single-Ended & Balanced Amp), that allows you to use your regular 3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRRS cables, take a look at the EarStudio - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/323636065/earstudio-worlds-first-studio-quality-bluetooth-re

Nice find! Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to buy it anywhere (or maybe that's fortunate for me :wink:)

I agree with you though that a Bluetooth receiver is a great option.
 
Jan 14, 2018 at 3:31 AM Post #14,247 of 33,689
I do have a recommendation but it isnt really chi fi. That would be the Advanced-Sound Model 3. If im correct it has a very similar sound sig to Se215 and the dsp bluetooth module in there is extremely good. I've seen 1 before and the connectivity to bluetooth was seriously fast as hell.
Edit: Btw I don't own them sorry about that

These look interesting, thanks. Will try and find some reviews/info.

If you want a versatile device (Bluetooth HD aptX / USB DAC / Single-Ended & Balanced Amp), that allows you to use your regular 3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRRS cables, take a look at the EarStudio - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/323636065/earstudio-worlds-first-studio-quality-bluetooth-re

Nice find! Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to buy it anywhere (or maybe that's fortunate for me :wink:)

I agree with you though that a Bluetooth receiver is a great option.


Hmm, this looks interesting and I've thought about a Bluetooth receiver, but would prefer not to have the little box if possible. Just for ultimate portability. Would be a good option for using all my current stuff though.
 
Jan 14, 2018 at 3:42 AM Post #14,248 of 33,689
These look interesting, thanks. Will try and find some reviews/info.






Hmm, this looks interesting and I've thought about a Bluetooth receiver, but would prefer not to have the little box if possible. Just for ultimate portability. Would be a good option for using all my current stuff though.


One thing that I forgot to mention is that both Bluetooth cables and receivers tend to have a bit of background hiss so if this bothers you you might want to look for IEM's that's not super sensitive.
 
Jan 14, 2018 at 6:07 AM Post #14,249 of 33,689
Jan 14, 2018 at 9:28 AM Post #14,250 of 33,689
If you want a versatile device (Bluetooth HD aptX / USB DAC / Single-Ended & Balanced Amp), that allows you to use your regular 3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRRS cables, take a look at the EarStudio - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/323636065/earstudio-worlds-first-studio-quality-bluetooth-re

Nice find! Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to buy it anywhere (or maybe that's fortunate for me :wink:)

I agree with you though that a Bluetooth receiver is a great option.

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Bragging rights :L3000:

I do hope Radsone open this up again for sale. This is truly a great piece of bluetooth dac
 

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