[TWidXugA]

Edit: I wonder if it's possible that the bass on these is a regression over its predecessors due to scaling down the dynamic driver, although considering it's only meant to handle bass... I doubt it.

I wonder that too. The CCA C12 has a 10mm DD, while the CCA CA16 has a 7mm. I still ordered the CA16 from Ali Express, but I fear sub-bass extension will be compromised because of it. I quite like the sub-bass on the C12.

 

[seanwee]

I wonder that too. The CCA C12 has a 10mm DD, while the CCA CA16 has a 7mm. I still ordered the CA16 from Ali Express, but I fear sub-bass extension will be compromised because of it. I quite like the sub-bass on the C12.

How the iems are tuned are far more important than the drivers it has. I've heard 9mm drivers (tuned echobox finder) outclass 16mm drivers (Sony MDR EX-1000)in terms of rumble, control and texture.

 

[JEHL]

Well I think we do have the MEMT X5 as an example of a single 6mm dynamic IEM that manages to be very bassy and is far from muddy at that. Dunno the actual sound signature but I've seen some people swearing that the 6.8mm dynamic in the KZ ED9 still stands its ground 6 years later (or is it 5 I'm not sure how you find exact release date).

If those can output strong yet controlled bass, one of them from KZ no less. I think the 7mm dynamic in the CCA CA16 should see smooth sailing from the ED9. Not to mention if the 7mm makes no compromise in volume nor quality, its smaller size should pave the road for potentially better BA arrangements in the pretty much immediate future.

 

[MrDelicious]

I wonder that too. The CCA C12 has a 10mm DD, while the CCA CA16 has a 7mm. I still ordered the CA16 from Ali Express, but I fear sub-bass extension will be compromised because of it. I quite like the sub-bass on the C12.

Final E5000 would like a word with you.

 

[Slater]

I wonder that too. The CCA C12 has a 10mm DD, while the CCA CA16 has a 7mm. I still ordered the CA16 from Ali Express, but I fear sub-bass extension will be compromised because of it. I quite like the sub-bass on the C12.

EDR1 has a 7mm driver. The Elistooop Mini has a rinky dink 5mm driver. Both will rattle your skull with the sub bass extension.

Size doesn’t necessary matter (that’s what she said). It’s depends on a number of factors - tuning most of all.

 

[PhonoPhi]

EDR1 has a 7mm driver. The Elistooop Mini has a rinky dink 5mm driver. Both will rattle your skull with the sub bass extension.

Size doesn’t necessary matter (that’s what she said). It’s depends on a number of factors - tuning most of all.

Tuning, tuning (that what he tries to argue), but ultimately - it is the size that matters, at least for the same tuning

 

[Hinch]

For dynamic drivers 10mm should be minimum if you want basshead subwoofer kind of impact and extension. Like deep resonating bass you can feel. I get that with the Blon's 03/05 and a little less so, the KPE, both of which are 10mm. Not so much with my other past/preset iems Sony MH1 (5.8mm), 755 (9.2mm), WF1000X/MX3 (6mm), Sony WI-H700 (9mm), Cambridge Audio SE1 (9mm) no amount of tuning or EQ is going to do that.

Like in real subs, the bigger the driver, the deeper it can go. Can't beat physics I'm afraid.

 

[RikudouGoku]

For dynamic drivers 10mm should be minimum if you want basshead subwoofer kind of impact and extension. Like deep resonating bass you can feel. I get that with the Blon's 03/05 and a little less so, the KPE, both of which are 10mm. Not so much with my other past/preset iems Sony MH1 (5.8mm), 755 (9.2mm), WF1000X/MX3 (6mm), Sony WI-H700 (9mm), Cambridge Audio SE1 (9mm) no amount of tuning or EQ is going to do that.

Like in real subs, the bigger the driver, the deeper it can go. Can't beat physics I'm afraid.

Final audio E5000 says hello.

edit: ISN D10 (9 mm) also says hello.

 

[JEHL]

I'd seriously doubt physics says 10mm is the hard limit though. I'm sure there IS a hard limit, but 10mm isn't it yet.

 

[jant71]

How bout we just get it from the horses mouth. This size vs. that size. This construction vs. that construction. This tuning vs. that tuning. Hey, CCA measures the CA16 down to 20Hz and the C12 down to 7Hz. If they are competent than that will hold that the CA16 is not gonna reach as low and if you are not wanting less you might want to skip it or wait till impressions come in.

 

[JEHL]

Final audio E5000 says hello.

edit: ISN D10 (9 mm) also says hello.

Also that looks insanely inefficient, I think it's even less efficient than the ER2

Edit: From reading their respective spec sheets anyway.

 

[Hinch]

I'd seriously doubt physics says 10mm is the hard limit though. I'm sure there IS a hard limit, but 10mm isn't it yet.

I feel like its a sweet spot. Its like comparing a 8" sub and to a well tuned well extending 6" sub.

Sure some psychoacoustics in tuning may help smaller drivers but its not like the real deal.

 

[antdroid]

I posted my review of the BLON BL05
https://www.audiodiscourse.com/2020/05/blon-bl05-review.html and also on headfi: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/blon-bl05.24352/review/23725/

 

[Hinch]

I posted my review of the BLON BL05
https://www.audiodiscourse.com/2020/05/blon-bl05-review.html and also on headfi: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/blon-bl05.24352/review/23725/

Nice write up. Skimmed across and agree pretty much across the board.

Also that offness is the tonal balance. I have these with Sony hybrid tips and a warmish source and they sound sublime. It brings it more in line with the 03's but with better dymanics and a bit more excitement. Also brings some of that texture in the bass and mids which was missing. Still can get hot in the treble though,

 

[RikudouGoku]

Also that looks insanely inefficient, I think it's even less efficient than the ER2

Edit: From reading their respective spec sheets anyway.

Yeah It needs a lot of power (not as much as a planar like the Tin Hifi P1 but scarily close). But it is a bass monster with enough power.