CHIFI LOVE Thread-A never ending IEM-Heaphones-DAP-Dongles Sound Value Quest
Jan 30, 2019 at 4:56 PM Post #15,811 of 31,845
I say all in kz thread. 3/4 post on
It begins to page 2749
man....don't find it, can you gently copy paste it here or tell me the pages.

Thing I personally wanna know is if their ANY unwanted sharpness, hissing or agressive brightness???
 
Jan 30, 2019 at 4:57 PM Post #15,812 of 31,845
Jan 30, 2019 at 5:00 PM Post #15,813 of 31,845
yeah cool....can you share your conclusion with it? Not just review link....perhaps it should became a rule or something....man, okay, I need a pause.
"Despite a mediocre cable and accessory selection, the CCA-C10 represents a killer value for an entry-level hybrid, with good build quality, a balanced sound signature, and great detail retrieval."
 
Jan 30, 2019 at 6:32 PM Post #15,814 of 31,845
@Nymphonomaniac

First post

After few hours for burn, my first impression on the C16.

They are heavy, when I take them in my hands they are very heavy comparing to other

The sound seems balanced, and tend to neutral. The treble seems slightly too elevated and, I think, there there will be the most default of this iem for few. They think to me to the KC2 signature with a bit more treble.
I ear that with battery which is, for some track, too agressive

The bass is very controlled and balanced, clearly at same line than medium. Separation of instruments are excellent too

The clarity is very excellent, voice are super clear and intelligible.

The C16 are not very airy. Less than M6 it's sure

Second post

Few more information

Very very detailed, my best item at all for this ! I think it's one of two axe of development.
The second is the neutral sound.

My Meizu 16th seems not enough good for exploit all of potential. Fortunately I received vivo nex dual display which are the master of audiophone (hi end ak portable dac normally ) for review
The hd sonata is not enough for C16, too noisy and not enough hi end for exploit them.
For the first time, my source is clearly too cheap for them. I won't have the best review because my material isn't the best, clearly... And meizu have clearly a good amply...If you have a smartphone not really dedicated to audio (easy to check, see if there is a dac or amp) the C16 will be clearly under exploited. Like all sources too basic will bring out a background noise (very sensitive) and a certain slowness, poor rendering compared to its potential. The difference between a Honor V20 and a Meizu 16th is felt and the Honor is really good in audio

Need more using but I confirm that they are tending but stay lightly colored to not be boring.
Treble stay a bit too elevated but better than as10
Two things that is interesting.
The place of instruments is far more accurate, 3D area but more again. We can see more accurately than all iem I have where the instrument are. Like comparing different light, the "light" of C16 is very accurate without diffuse around. Create better coherent sound with more precise render. I can't explain better for the moment. I can better listen the difference of instruments and mix use with different air use in the mixed track. One is very muffled but the one behind is more discreet, more airy and contrasts a lot. What is interesting is that most of the iem tested until now really put back small noises or instruments placed here and there discreetly. We can not do it or can not pay attention in the music a little dense. Here the C16 have so many drivers that we hear them much more clearly and this is natural while showing some flaws or on the contrary showing a touch more beautiful to the music. The voices are even clearer than what I have so it's even better.
It is interesting to finish with the details. It's even more detailed, the brain feels more than me coming out of the ZS7, the contrast between these 2iem is huge but full of pieces bring out a lot of little details or instruments that I heard less before, or that I did not notice.


Take a as10
Put more driver
Affine the tuning
You have a better, boosted and overpowered new as10.

Work these model, CCA shows that these company will be the premium models and kz cheaper and V shaped models.

Need more listen them with vivo nex but very interesting model, not only marketing the 16drivers are really using for better sound. The most surprising being the rather neutral signature but a bit brilliant that is not in the habits of kz

Third post

I continue my listening of the C16. I use the Vivo Nex dual display. Better dac than the Meizu. I use Korn - Path of Totality album which is very interesting. Track are very dense.

C16 are very impressive, they are very fast, clear and clean. It's clearly the most technical that I have. They are really fast, no bleed, a clarity high level which help a lot which few voices on this album. It's incredible this level of technic for this price. They are very fast, accurate, controlled. The soundstage with this accuracy is absolutely awesome. The placement of each instrument is highly accurate on the scene.

No sibilance, no harsh. Maybe agressive on some track or source.

Just WOW

PS : Thanks to miss also which seem me C16 very quickly

https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bPsl8j9R

For help to have a good cooperation with them :)
 
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Jan 30, 2019 at 6:54 PM Post #15,815 of 31,845
[QUOTE="Nymphonomaniac, post: 14749596,
Oh man, this is kitsch love and today were more into kitsch porn. So, i take back my words, 90's are the very worst era for music, because its pure pumped up agression, 80's have good music like SADE (wich my father did NOT listen, but tv and radio share this oxygen to me):
[/QUOTE]

The 90´s were the best decade of my life and I feel very fortunate to have lived it, bloody fantastic musically speaking aswell. I do prefer 90´s dance / club music to today´s but I´m generally time agnostic when it comes to music, good tunes are good tunes irrespective of year, It´s a shame you don´t feel the same way.



Just in case you found the above too pumped up here´s a version you might find less terrible :relaxed:

 
Jan 30, 2019 at 7:26 PM Post #15,816 of 31,845
@Nymphonomaniac

First post

After few hours for burn, my first impression on the C16.

They are heavy, when I take them in my hands they are very heavy comparing to other

The sound seems balanced, and tend to neutral. The treble seems slightly too elevated and, I think, there there will be the most default of this iem for few. They think to me to the KC2 signature with a bit more treble.
I ear that with battery which is, for some track, too agressive

The bass is very controlled and balanced, clearly at same line than medium. Separation of instruments are excellent too

The clarity is very excellent, voice are super clear and intelligible.

The C16 are not very airy. Less than M6 it's sure

Second post

Few more information

Very very detailed, my best item at all for this ! I think it's one of two axe of development.
The second is the neutral sound.

My Meizu 16th seems not enough good for exploit all of potential. Fortunately I received vivo nex dual display which are the master of audiophone (hi end ak portable dac normally ) for review
The hd sonata is not enough for C16, too noisy and not enough hi end for exploit them.
For the first time, my source is clearly too cheap for them. I won't have the best review because my material isn't the best, clearly... And meizu have clearly a good amply...If you have a smartphone not really dedicated to audio (easy to check, see if there is a dac or amp) the C16 will be clearly under exploited. Like all sources too basic will bring out a background noise (very sensitive) and a certain slowness, poor rendering compared to its potential. The difference between a Honor V20 and a Meizu 16th is felt and the Honor is really good in audio

Need more using but I confirm that they are tending but stay lightly colored to not be boring.
Treble stay a bit too elevated but better than as10
Two things that is interesting.
The place of instruments is far more accurate, 3D area but more again. We can see more accurately than all iem I have where the instrument are. Like comparing different light, the "light" of C16 is very accurate without diffuse around. Create better coherent sound with more precise render. I can't explain better for the moment. I can better listen the difference of instruments and mix use with different air use in the mixed track. One is very muffled but the one behind is more discreet, more airy and contrasts a lot. What is interesting is that most of the iem tested until now really put back small noises or instruments placed here and there discreetly. We can not do it or can not pay attention in the music a little dense. Here the C16 have so many drivers that we hear them much more clearly and this is natural while showing some flaws or on the contrary showing a touch more beautiful to the music. The voices are even clearer than what I have so it's even better.
It is interesting to finish with the details. It's even more detailed, the brain feels more than me coming out of the ZS7, the contrast between these 2iem is huge but full of pieces bring out a lot of little details or instruments that I heard less before, or that I did not notice.


Take a as10
Put more driver
Affine the tuning
You have a better, boosted and overpowered new as10.

Work these model, CCA shows that these company will be the premium models and kz cheaper and V shaped models.

Need more listen them with vivo nex but very interesting model, not only marketing the 16drivers are really using for better sound. The most surprising being the rather neutral signature but a bit brilliant that is not in the habits of kz

Third post

I continue my listening of the C16. I use the Vivo Nex dual display. Better dac than the Meizu. I use Korn - Path of Totality album which is very interesting. Track are very dense.

C16 are very impressive, they are very fast, clear and clean. It's clearly the most technical that I have. They are really fast, no bleed, a clarity high level which help a lot which few voices on this album. It's incredible this level of technic for this price. They are very fast, accurate, controlled. The soundstage with this accuracy is absolutely awesome. The placement of each instrument is highly accurate on the scene.

No sibilance, no harsh. Maybe agressive on some track or source.

Just WOW

PS : Thanks to miss also which seem me C16 very quickly

https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bPsl8j9R

For help to have a good cooperation with them :)

WOW, thanks for this long descriptive impressions. VERY appreciate man. RESPECT! And i'm happy you have a great sound phone more, it will help for sure and confirm that its problematic to have must smarthphone as only audio source (especially for not very sensitive iem, but in this case, even if well drived it can still have background noise, hissing and other sound problem)

8BA sure look to give big WOW effect about imaging and overal energy. Hooked I am for sure....(but not my wallet lol)
 
Jan 30, 2019 at 7:36 PM Post #15,817 of 31,845
[QUOTE="Nymphonomaniac, post: 14749596,
Oh man, this is kitsch love and today were more into kitsch porn. So, i take back my words, 90's are the very worst era for music, because its pure pumped up agression, 80's have good music like SADE (wich my father did NOT listen, but tv and radio share this oxygen to me):

The 90´s were the best decade of my life and I feel very fortunate to have lived it, bloody fantastic musically speaking aswell. I do prefer 90´s dance / club music to today´s but I´m generally time agnostic when it comes to music, good tunes are good tunes irrespective of year, It´s a shame you don´t feel the same way.
[/QUOTE]

Lol....its just a matter of taste man, there were nice jazz and classical in the 90's for sure, as well as rock like SLINT, rap like Wu-tang or electronic like Aphex Twin or signer like Laueren Hill or Tori Amos....I talk about POP really and what was play in radio and well...everywhere. I can find entertaining some 80's or 90's retro pop music sometime. I neither like dance music of this era as dance music of today, but again, its just my taste.

I'm sincerly happy that you enjoy music, whatever the style, its what matter really! Cheers!
 
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Jan 30, 2019 at 7:58 PM Post #15,818 of 31,845
:wink: :ksc75smile:
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Jan 30, 2019 at 8:03 PM Post #15,819 of 31,845

Besides the meme, if we compare a quiet with lots of dynamics recording in vinyl with a masterized loud and lacking dynamic on FLAC, the meme indeed explains the phenomena, even when digital lossless files are objectively better than vynil.
 
Jan 30, 2019 at 8:26 PM Post #15,820 of 31,845
WOW, thanks for this long descriptive impressions. VERY appreciate man. RESPECT! And i'm happy you have a great sound phone more, it will help for sure and confirm that its problematic to have must smarthphone as only audio source (especially for not very sensitive iem, but in this case, even if well drived it can still have background noise, hissing and other sound problem)

8BA sure look to give big WOW effect about imaging and overal energy. Hooked I am for sure....(but not my wallet lol)

For the phone, clearly, it's complicated to have a good source. I don't have the better version of Meizu 16th. The plus version have better dac. But this Meizu had a good from Meizu France... So... And I'm poor...sooo....
And the meizu is not very expensive ( 350€ on Ali, 450€ in france ). The sound is very excellent for this price

But I'm happy to have vivo, I know that they use akm mobile dac ( the best ) and I hear clearly that. But the hifi is not functional with Deezer...I must to find a solution to have. Mp3/flac version. ( Founded ). Strange to use them but... It's vivo

After you have good smartphone work correct source. Oppo, Samsung, now huawei with the integrated dac of kirin 980.
LG, HTC, meizu, vivo create real smartphone for audio. It's very interesting to listen that. But need a dap to understand the difference... I'll see with Jim but if you have any reference for less than 100$ it will be interesting

But this iem is so huge ! Far far better than my headset, the very good 1more h1707. They need a very good source to really appreciate the beast inside 16 drivers.
The most problem I feel that the in seems don't exploited to the maximum. I don't know why but I feel this. And it was true after receurec the vivo which seems good source for. But with better, maybe the sound will be fairly better... Need to know that


Oh and Nicehck N3 ordered !
 
Jan 30, 2019 at 10:26 PM Post #15,821 of 31,845
For the phone, clearly, it's complicated to have a good source. I don't have the better version of Meizu 16th. The plus version have better dac. But this Meizu had a good from Meizu France... So... And I'm poor...sooo....
And the meizu is not very expensive ( 350€ on Ali, 450€ in france ). The sound is very excellent for this price

But I'm happy to have vivo, I know that they use akm mobile dac ( the best ) and I hear clearly that. But the hifi is not functional with Deezer...I must to find a solution to have. Mp3/flac version. ( Founded ). Strange to use them but... It's vivo

After you have good smartphone work correct source. Oppo, Samsung, now huawei with the integrated dac of kirin 980.
LG, HTC, meizu, vivo create real smartphone for audio. It's very interesting to listen that. But need a dap to understand the difference... I'll see with Jim but if you have any reference for less than 100$ it will be interesting

But this iem is so huge ! Far far better than my headset, the very good 1more h1707. They need a very good source to really appreciate the beast inside 16 drivers.
The most problem I feel that the in seems don't exploited to the maximum. I don't know why but I feel this. And it was true after receurec the vivo which seems good source for. But with better, maybe the sound will be fairly better... Need to know that


Oh and Nicehck N3 ordered !

I ordered Nicehck N3 for 45$ + 5$ for 8core cable and bluetooth cable. I also ordered Cca c16 For 89$ but I am thinking that maybe I could find better option for 89$. Theres no enough reviews for C16:frowning2:
 
Jan 31, 2019 at 2:12 AM Post #15,822 of 31,845
I ordered Nicehck N3 for 45$ + 5$ for 8core cable and bluetooth cable. I also ordered Cca c16 For 89$ but I am thinking that maybe I could find better option for 89$. Theres no enough reviews for C16:frowning2:


I'm the only one who receive them for the moment. So I understand but which 2/3 few great iem 50/100$ it's the best that I have

Don't know the audbos p4 for example. But I think there will be a hype train for the C16.
C10 is a good first iem. Very very good.

Cca is KZv2.0
 
Jan 31, 2019 at 2:49 AM Post #15,823 of 31,845
Couldn’t resist N3 they look very interesting and $50 with bluetooth and 8core cables seems to be good deal. Don’t need more bluetooth cables but really wanted good 8core and $5 is awesome deal :)
It was my most expensive purchase and bit over my intended budget. So I will have to wait some time before buying any more.

I hope they will sound as good as promised :)
 
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:51 AM Post #15,824 of 31,845
Can someone please confirm, whether 5mm diameter steel mesh is the right size for CCA C10?
Just realized I lost one.
Hope that's not what you guys meant by saying that C10 opens up with time
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Jan 31, 2019 at 7:45 AM Post #15,825 of 31,845
Can someone please confirm, whether 5mm diameter steel mesh is the right size for CCA C10?
Just realized I lost one.
Hope that's not what you guys meant by saying that C10 opens up with time
Well I was considering removing these on mine.
I would much prefer textile (soft) filters instead of these metal pates as my logic tells me they must reflect a great deal inwards, but I much rather have some input from someone more knowledgeable than me....
What is you take on the resulting sound ?
 

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