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Cayin N5ii Android based Master Quality Digital Audio Player

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by PinkyPowers, Oct 14, 2017.
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  1. CayinSupport
    You can change the settings to Dop in DSD mode like below picture
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  2. ngs428
    @CayinSupport

    Will you continue working on firmware revisions for N5ii?
     
  3. seanwee
    Yes they will.

     
  4. Andykong

    I think all three players has their own merit. If you want small form factor, N5iiS will be your first choice. If you want mobile-phone user experience, definitely R6 is your cup of tea. If you wants lots of modular, lots of choice, DX150 will definitely win your heart, so everyone is getting a fare share.

    Yes, I don't talk about audio performance, that is subjective but base on user feedback, there isn't a clear winner nor a clear loser among the three.

    Lets look at it form another perspective: is the market big enough to house R6 + DX150 + N5iiS?

    So if you are talking about Product level competition? yes, definitely. Market level competition? if the market is large enough, the competition is not necessarily directly correlate to product level competition.
     
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  5. Andykong
    That's very aggressive, apparently your mind is set, so I wish you all the best in finding a decent R2R DAP at the price that we were talking about.

    For the record, Cayin is not a R&D facility, we are in audio business. We invested heavily on engineering and R&D when we perceive there is a CONTINUOUS market, we don't do thing just to show case our capability or innovative. AD1866R is a dual 16-Bit Audio DAC and Cayin has no intention to develop a 16bit based DAP in foreseeable future.
     
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  6. lengyeljani
    @Andykong @CayinSupport
    Is there a way to get/buy a replacement tempered glass screen protector for the N5ii? Mine has a little crack (fortunately it saved the screen), and while I'm good with it for now, if I continue my bad luck, might end up needing a replacement.
     
  7. Andykong
    A lot of these are not technically difficult. We probably won't aim at increase the battery life in the future but to include Quick Charge technology whenever possible. A more power MCU will speed up the UI and enhanced the user experience. We can thrown in a better USB charger but the added cost probably will be enough for you to buy two chargers from local 3C market after it goes through our supply chain, the expensive logistic system (because of the Lithium battery) and the distributor/dealer network.

    Trust me, if we deliver all these, we are not talking about $100-$150 extra. :beerchug::beerchug::ksc75smile:
     
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  8. Andykong
    You should be able to place a special order through your local dealer, but in case you run into trouble, email service@cayin.cn for repair and replacement service.
     
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  9. Andykong
    A lot of your requirements make sense, it's just a matter of cost and budget, and whether Cayin want to spend that much proportion of our budget on non-audio related issues. The only exception is dual TF cards.

    N5ii and N5iiS will, very likely, be our last Android DAP with dual TF card slot. We want to do it, but Android sucks when come to support two TF cards. We need to add a data bus behind the two TF card slots and Android will only see them as one card.

    Be reminded that Android is primarily a system dominated by the mobile industry right now. Mobile phone never needs dual TF card or a data bus to coordinate multiple data storage, so Android is inherently weak i these areas. Since the mobile phone industry are getting rid of TF card slot in their new products, so we the chance that Android will improve their support on dual TF card or data bus is extremely unlikely.

    Yes, the BUS is the bottleneck, especially when you transfer file from one card to the other , you need to wait for the time sharing on the bus.

    As I mentioned previously, Android didn't like to have a BUS in the device, it simply didn't support this feature properly.
     
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  10. Andykong
    R2R 24/96 in portable application?

    No we don't. Cayin can be very innovative and we are willing to invest on the engineering when there is a market and it is within our capability. The bottom line is, we don't make chips, we use chips from the market. We are not a semiconductor company, so this is not going to happen. Unless big guys like AD or TI suddenly perceived there is potential market in R2R DAC and come out with a 24bit R2R DAC chipset, we'll just sit and wait like everybody else.
     
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  11. Andykong
    Anyone will head to CanJam London tomorrow?

    Be reminded that our UK dealer AdvancedMP3 will host a table at Westminster 41 on our behalf, please look for Cayin's booth and check out the latest N5iiS. This is first time ever N5iiS showcase outside China, don't miss this opportunity to compare N5ii and N5iiS side by side in CanJam London.

    By the way, N8 will also be displayed at the same time, this is a show stopper, you'll be regret if you were at CanJam London but missed the Cayin table in this round.
     
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  12. Andykong
    I hope you like N5ii/N5iiS and their audio performance has meet your expectation.

    Purist DAP is hard to come by nowadays, if you insist spend every penny on the audio performance of DAP, maybe you should keep an eye on the QA361,
     
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  13. msiekkb
    I look this same like @maira DAP with good flat, organic sound with very good details and no big and heavy. Cayin N5II will be amazing for me if he have more resolutions and details, and no moody bass. I like N5II for clarity, little brighter and crispy treble, and weight of instrument.

    @maira Shozy Alien+ will be good for you, but he have very short battery life.
     
  14. Max Choiral
    I have never intended to offend anybody. Where exactly in my statement did you find aggression? Those were simple questions, no more nor less. Wasn't expecting honest answers on it though :wink:
    Board with AD1866R was shown as an example. As far as I remember Analog Devices has some d/a which support 24bit (do we really need it?). Apparently, Schiit is using some in desktop gear.
     
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  15. PopZeus
    Thanks for the honest reply. I know that I was being unrealistic in my thinking. But it's fun to imagine the future of this hobby anyways.
     
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