Cayin N5 DAP - Product Info (Post #2), Resources (Post #3) and Discussion

May 29, 2016 at 10:16 AM Post #1,891 of 2,546
Andykong

Anything about a future firmware update? Works bug-free for me but I'm looking for more themes (a dark one would get my preference).



Btw @andykong

Do you have info about new firmware update? The battery reading in fw3.0 is annoying sometimes, suddenly drops so fast after below 40%

Cheers


Yes, I have submitted suggestion to "new function and optimization requirements" for subsequent N5 firmware, so definitely something is cooking right now, but please pardon that the software team has devoted a lot of resource to the i5 project recently, they probably can't get back on track on N5/N6 ongoing firmware development until they deliver a stable and fully functional i5 firmware. My guess is sometime in July as that's the absolute deadline to complete the i5 firmware for international release, so please be patient for slightly longer in this round.
 
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May 29, 2016 at 11:33 AM Post #1,892 of 2,546
Update: I returned theN5 to the vendor via Amazon and they took it back.  Originally they said the power button worked fine and that it worked as designed requiring a long press to wake the unit up or activate the screen but I explained to them that their assessment was incorrect and to check the button again.  It didn't respond to ANY button presses without them being a really hard/long press and that it should respond to a light short press  They finally saw the light and refunded the full amount.

Before returning the N5, I had already ordered a replacement Fiio X5 and got it before I sent the N5 back so I had the opportunity to compare them along with my ancient iRiver H340 (using identical wav files) and the same set of headphones I have been using for years (Sony MDR-V4).  What I found was that they all sound pretty much the same.  That's quite interesting.  This says a lot about the quality of the H340 (it is, after all an ancestor of the Astell & Kerrn line), the solid sound of the MDR-V4 headphones or that my ears are so bad, everything sounds the same!

I will say this though - the X5 definitely has a slight bit of a muffled feel to it and I find the best fix for that is to use the "metal" EQ setting which, to me, makes it sound correct (to my ears anyway.)  This setting also sounds most like the N5 without EQ on as well as the H340 without EQ.  This is a bit different from the reviews I have read that say the X5 tends to be more treble forward.  In my testing, the N5 sounded better in this regard though the few hours I played with them together, the overall feel was they all sounded pretty much the same otherwise.  Oh, I hooked them all up to my PC and volume matched them using Audacity with the same test tones from one of my DVD test discs.  So I tried to take out any volume bias in my testing.  Poor man's level matching!

What was better about the N5?  Gold plated jacks, smaller scroll wheel (seemed to scroll through the files faster), better battery life (granted I only had it a little over a week but only recharged it once whereas I have charged the X5 twice in a week - maybe I'm playing the X5 more?)  and the overall feel of the build quality was better.  Even though the N5 is only about 10g heavier, it sure felt more solid - like a block of metal.  The X5, also metal, feels a bit hollow to me and sound as much when handling it.  The N5 clearly was more solid.  Well, except for the power button!  And has slightly better sound.  USB 3 was a big plus too.

What's better about the X5?  One extra button on the front for a bit more functionality, an easier to read interface, slightly better volume button arrangement (I did not like the extra menu button on the N5 as I always hit it when looking for the volume buttons) and a bit more responsive UI.  I think the UI is hit or miss for people in regards to responsiveness but for me the X5 seems a bit more snappy.

Overall I feel both are practically identical with enough differences to provide a clear choice depending on which one floats your boat.  But with almost identical sound, you can't go wrong with either one of them.  Oh, and if you happen to have an old H340 in your desk and some wav files, I recommend you keep using it as that player definitely keeps up with this new generation of DAPs.  If only it played FLAC!

Sorry the N5 did not work out for me as it seemed like a solid player until the power button failed.  If it hadn't, I'd still have it otherwise.

Thanks for listening,

Kevin


Sincere apology for not responding to your case promptly, I did check with the Engineer about installing the little triangle of plastic on the edge just under the scroll wheel when I saw your first post, but everyone was tied up with the remedial of i5 from the WiFi problem and I didn't follow up thoroughly.

Sad to know that the N5 didn't work out in your case, and I am glad that you get full refund after returning the N5 to Amazon. We are working on the local sales network right now, progress is slow but we are getting there, and hopefully the i5 will draw the attention of more local retailer to carry Cayin products in near futures.

I read your comparison with great interest, I can't comment on other DAPs but your description on N5 is indeed accurate and impartial. Maintain objective and open minded to a bad purchase experience is more difficult that one could have imagine. I have to salute to your gentleman opinion. :beerchug: :beerchug:
 
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May 29, 2016 at 2:17 PM Post #1,893 of 2,546
Sincere apology for not responding to your case promptly, I did check with the Engineer about installing the little triangle of plastic on the edge just under the scroll wheel when I saw your first post, but everyone was tied up with the remedial of i5 from the WiFi problem and I didn't follow up thoroughly.

Sad to know that the N5 didn't work out in your case, and I am glad that you get full refund after returning the N5 to Amazon. We are working on the local sales network right now, progress is slow but we are getting there, and hopefully the i5 will draw the attention of more local retailer to carry Cayin products in near futures.

I read your comparison with great interest, I can't comment on other DAPs but your description on N5 is indeed accurate and impartial. Maintain objective and open minded to a bad purchase experience is more difficult that one could have imagine. I have to salute to your gentleman opinion.
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Thanks Andy.  No problem about the slow response as I understand you seem to be really busy.  Thank you for replying, it is appreciated.
 
I hope your technical guys can look into the power button and see if there's something that can be fixed so that they don't fail as it did in my case.  I really was just using the N5 to listen to music while going to sleep so I wasn't being rough with it.  Just reaching over now and then to turn the screen on or off.  I probably pushed that button less than 50 times in all over the 4-5 days.
 
I'll keep my eye on Cayin in the future because the products appear to be very good and slightly avant-garde which distinguishes them from the rest.  That's pretty cool.
 
Kevin
 
Jun 1, 2016 at 11:37 AM Post #1,894 of 2,546
Thanks Andy.  No problem about the slow response as I understand you seem to be really busy.  Thank you for replying, it is appreciated.

I hope your technical guys can look into the power button and see if there's something that can be fixed so that they don't fail as it did in my case.  I really was just using the N5 to listen to music while going to sleep so I wasn't being rough with it.  Just reaching over now and then to turn the screen on or off.  I probably pushed that button less than 50 times in all over the 4-5 days.

I'll keep my eye on Cayin in the future because the products appear to be very good and slightly avant-garde which distinguishes them from the rest.  That's pretty cool.

Kevin


May 2016 happens to be the busiest month we had so far. The Munich had tight up some of our resource and the engineers are fully occupied to resolve various i5 technical issue when we transfer the project from R&D to production line.

We'll definitely improve the robustness of power button (and other control button as well) in future products. We am looking forwards to your revisit, and some how, I believe it won't be a very distance future. :D
 
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Jun 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM Post #1,895 of 2,546
I have searched the forums and either my search has failed me of there is nothing on this subject.
 
I have been very, very pleased user of the Cayin N5 since it first released in AU.
 
There is only one thing that annoys me and I was hope V3 might have resolved it. I only use Line Out and would like to avoid having to go through resting it form Phone overtime I start up. Together with the secondary check this is a pain.
 
As I said I truely love this player and this is my only gripe.
 
Cheers, Tony
 
Jun 8, 2016 at 12:53 AM Post #1,896 of 2,546
  I have searched the forums and either my search has failed me of there is nothing on this subject.
 
I have been very, very pleased user of the Cayin N5 since it first released in AU.
 
There is only one thing that annoys me and I was hope V3 might have resolved it. I only use Line Out and would like to avoid having to go through resting it form Phone overtime I start up. Together with the secondary check this is a pain.
 
As I said I truely love this player and this is my only gripe.
 
Cheers, Tony

Yes! It would be nice to have an option for this.    ​
 
Jun 8, 2016 at 1:31 AM Post #1,897 of 2,546
I have searched the forums and either my search has failed me of there is nothing on this subject.

I have been very, very pleased user of the Cayin N5 since it first released in AU.

There is only one thing that annoys me and I was hope V3 might have resolved it. I only use Line Out and would like to avoid having to go through resting it form Phone overtime I start up. Together with the secondary check this is a pain.

As I said I truely love this player and this is my only gripe.

Cheers, Tony


Personally I like this feature for precisely that reason. Over time I may not know it is set to LO and Bamm! In V3, there is hibernation without shutting down, that will retain the LO setting.
 
Jun 8, 2016 at 1:56 AM Post #1,898 of 2,546
I have searched the forums and either my search has failed me of there is nothing on this subject.

I have been very, very pleased user of the Cayin N5 since it first released in AU.

There is only one thing that annoys me and I was hope V3 might have resolved it. I only use Line Out and would like to avoid having to go through resting it form Phone overtime I start up. Together with the secondary check this is a pain.

As I said I truely love this player and this is my only gripe.

Cheers, Tony


Received your PM this morning, and noticed that you have posted the issue on the forum already.

Have discussed the issue with the software people looking after the DAP firmware, they are reluctant to change the setting as the security check is in place after length discussion and consultation. Sometime we can't please everyone and need to make compromise, and in general we need to consider the interest of majority users during decision making.

The team will look into the case again and will try to design new procedure to disable the "reset after power down" precaution step, implement the change will be straight forward, figure out the control step to enable the change without compromise the safety concern is the difficult part. Therefore I can't promise the final outcome at this stage, we just have to wait and see.

On the other hand, if your N5 is exclusively used for desktop purpose, have you consider to run the N5 power on all the time?
 
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Jun 8, 2016 at 2:15 AM Post #1,899 of 2,546

Thanks Andy, was not sure if the PM was the better way to asking the question, but thank you for your reply.
 
It would be nice if it could detect the that the cable has been removed form the jack and resist the function on that. My out put jack never gets removed and it would retain the safety mechanism if the cable was pulled and phones inserted.
 
Regards, Tony
 
Jun 8, 2016 at 3:56 AM Post #1,900 of 2,546
Thanks Andy, was not sure if the PM was the better way to asking the question, but thank you for your reply.

It would be nice if it could detect the that the cable has been removed form the jack and resist the function on that. My out put jack never gets removed and it would retain the safety mechanism if the cable was pulled and phones inserted.

Regards, Tony


I have no problem with either, try my best to entertain all inquiry the best I could, but time different is making it difficult sometime.

The problem is, if someone switch off the DAP, unplug the line out and plug in the headphone, there is no way N5 can determine whether the current connection is a headphone or a line out device. In fact, this assumption might have a higher percentage in real-life because most users are primarily headphone based and use line out occasionally only.
 
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Jun 8, 2016 at 8:30 AM Post #1,901 of 2,546
Well an other option would be a fast menu option to switch between line/head like we can with high/low output? Seems easy in theory, but this is not my forte so I'm ignorant of such things. I would also like to be able to save multiple custom eq settings, but I'm sure I'm the only one....:D
 
Anyway love the player.
 
Jun 15, 2016 at 5:14 AM Post #1,902 of 2,546
just acquired a n5 and musicality wise, it is one of the top i have heard!
 
Jun 15, 2016 at 9:04 AM Post #1,905 of 2,546

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