Cayin N5 DAP - Product Info (Post #2), Resources (Post #3) and Discussion

May 14, 2016 at 10:03 AM Post #1,876 of 2,546
Not really much to talk about with this player. Best sounding player in its price range for me. Solid firmware with only a couple minor bugs and great customer support. I love cayin products and will probably be a life long supporter of their products.
 
May 14, 2016 at 11:48 AM Post #1,877 of 2,546
I am the one who is not.
Not big fan of DAPs with touchscreens and other stuff, which replacing DAPs with smartphones.
For me I5 doesn't look like break through. Of course it is significant release for Cayin company to take another market's share, but nothing new as audiophile device.
Looking forward to next Cayin's flagman and i really hope it won't be I7


Thanks for your input and sorry for taking us OT...

As long as touchscreen DAPs have hardware buttons in addition to touchscreen controls and well thought out UI, I'm a fan. What I don't care about so much is apps. Without cell data, they're not really streaming on the go devices. I just want a good touchscreen UI, good hardware design, and great sound. Pretty sure Cayin will nail it!

Just got Shozy Zero in H20Fidelity. Will give a listen with N5 after running them in a bit ;)
 
May 14, 2016 at 1:43 PM Post #1,878 of 2,546
I am the one who is not.
Not big fan of DAPs with touchscreens and other stuff, which replacing DAPs with smartphones.
For me I5 doesn't look like break through. Of course it is significant release for Cayin company to take another market's share, but nothing new as audiophile device.
Looking forward to next Cayin's flagman and i really hope it won't be I7


I completely understand your concern, but a touchscreen is not what does that. That's just UI. It's when you get Apps, games, video, internet browsing, wifi and Bluetooth that a device loses its focus on Audio first and foremost.

The FiiO X7 is a bit of a mess because of this, and Sony's top players are no better.

My AK120II has a few of these features, yet somehow it only serves the Astell&Kern standard for outstanding sound and functionality.
 
May 14, 2016 at 2:31 PM Post #1,879 of 2,546
I completely understand your concern, but a touchscreen is not what does that. That's just UI. It's when you get Apps, games, video, internet browsing, wifi and Bluetooth that a device loses its focus on Audio first and foremost.

The FiiO X7 is a bit of a mess because of this, and Sony's top players are no better.

My AK120II has a few of these features, yet somehow it only serves the Astell&Kern standard for outstanding sound and functionality.


Amen, brother!

I'd cite iBasso as another company making Android-based touchscreen DAP that are music first and app free. They work great!

Cayin seems to want make i5 music first. I know you tested X7 around the sane time I did PinkyPowers. From what I've seen of i5, I think it's doing more right out of the gate. We'll find out soon!
 
May 14, 2016 at 5:38 PM Post #1,880 of 2,546
Amen, brother!

I'd cite iBasso as another company making Android-based touchscreen DAP that are music first and app free. They work great!

Cayin seems to want make i5 music first. I know you tested X7 around the sane time I did @PinkyPowers. From what I've seen of i5, I think it's doing more right out of the gate. We'll find out soon!

 
Considering that Hiby is cooperative partner behind FiiO, Cayin, Shangling, Questyle, Hidizs, Eros, and many others (common knowledge by Googling, and also explains why everyone's interface look the same
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), it's safe to say that HibyMusic firmware is all polished after almost 2 years of X7 beta testing (lol!!!) and all the kinks are ironed out 
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  So, I'm expecting i5 to shine from the get-go!  Regarding dedicated music app interface vs apps and full Android interface, the way how Hiby fw/sw works - you have a dual boot.  From X7 experience, booted into full android mode audio will be downsampled due to OS SRC (sample rate conversion), and you can also load other apps.  But, you can boot into a pure music mode where SRC is bypassed and you ONLY running audio app with a very lean OS without unnecessary drivers.  Sort of similar to what you have with DX80 and Opus#1 or AK100/120/240/300/320/380 (though in AK they also enabled OTA updates and bluetooth). I have no idea how DX200 going to implement its fw/sw since I don't believe they are part of the Hiby partnership, but for sure i5 and dx200 are the two most anticipated upcoming dap releases!
 
May 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM Post #1,882 of 2,546
Can you tell me how to get in touch with support? I have only found an address and  telephone number in China. My N5 DAP worked fine and I have it paired the the C5 amplifier. It pushes my LCD-2's and Fostex modded 40 MKIII really well for a portable rig. Regarless it just died the other day?... Anyone else had this happen to them? 
 
May 18, 2016 at 1:26 AM Post #1,883 of 2,546
  Can you tell me how to get in touch with support? I have only found an address and  telephone number in China. My N5 DAP worked fine and I have it paired the the C5 amplifier. It pushes my LCD-2's and Fostex modded 40 MKIII really well for a portable rig. Regarless it just died the other day?... Anyone else had this happen to them? 

 
Can try their technical support at info@cayin.cn
 
Or see if you can catch Andy in this part of the forum.
 
May 26, 2016 at 5:07 AM Post #1,885 of 2,546
Andykong
 
Sometimes i am usuing N5 for podcast listnening, and some of files has low bitrate, and when it comes to sample rate 22 050 Hz (with bitrate 64kbs), N5 shows to me "No Music"
It is not like a big deal, but anyway i am wondering, does N5 support full range of MP3 ?
 
May 27, 2016 at 6:52 PM Post #1,886 of 2,546
Update: I returned theN5 to the vendor via Amazon and they took it back.  Originally they said the power button worked fine and that it worked as designed requiring a long press to wake the unit up or activate the screen but I explained to them that their assessment was incorrect and to check the button again.  It didn't respond to ANY button presses without them being a really hard/long press and that it should respond to a light short press  They finally saw the light and refunded the full amount.
 
Before returning the N5, I had already ordered a replacement Fiio X5 and got it before I sent the N5 back so I had the opportunity to compare them along with my ancient iRiver H340 (using identical wav files) and the same set of headphones I have been using for years (Sony MDR-V4).  What I found was that they all sound pretty much the same.  That's quite interesting.  This says a lot about the quality of the H340 (it is, after all an ancestor of the Astell & Kerrn line), the solid sound of the MDR-V4 headphones or that my ears are so bad, everything sounds the same!
 
I will say this though - the X5 definitely has a slight bit of a muffled feel to it and I find the best fix for that is to use the "metal" EQ setting which, to me, makes it sound correct (to my ears anyway.)  This setting also sounds most like the N5 without EQ on as well as the H340 without EQ.  This is a bit different from the reviews I have read that say the X5 tends to be more treble forward.  In my testing, the N5 sounded better in this regard though the few hours I played with them together, the overall feel was they all sounded pretty much the same otherwise.  Oh, I hooked them all up to my PC and volume matched them using Audacity with the same test tones from one of my DVD test discs.  So I tried to take out any volume bias in my testing.  Poor man's level matching!
 
What was better about the N5?  Gold plated jacks, smaller scroll wheel (seemed to scroll through the files faster), better battery life (granted I only had it a little over a week but only recharged it once whereas I have charged the X5 twice in a week - maybe I'm playing the X5 more?)  and the overall feel of the build quality was better.  Even though the N5 is only about 10g heavier, it sure felt more solid - like a block of metal.  The X5, also metal, feels a bit hollow to me and sound as much when handling it.  The N5 clearly was more solid.  Well, except for the power button!  And has slightly better sound.  USB 3 was a big plus too.
 
What's better about the X5?  One extra button on the front for a bit more functionality, an easier to read interface, slightly better volume button arrangement (I did not like the extra menu button on the N5 as I always hit it when looking for the volume buttons) and a bit more responsive UI.  I think the UI is hit or miss for people in regards to responsiveness but for me the X5 seems a bit more snappy.
 
Overall I feel both are practically identical with enough differences to provide a clear choice depending on which one floats your boat.  But with almost identical sound, you can't go wrong with either one of them.  Oh, and if you happen to have an old H340 in your desk and some wav files, I recommend you keep using it as that player definitely keeps up with this new generation of DAPs.  If only it played FLAC!
 
Sorry the N5 did not work out for me as it seemed like a solid player until the power button failed.  If it hadn't, I'd still have it otherwise.
 
Thanks for listening,
 
Kevin
 
May 27, 2016 at 9:44 PM Post #1,887 of 2,546
Update: I returned theN5 to the vendor via Amazon and they took it back.  Originally they said the power button worked fine and that it worked as designed requiring a long press to wake the unit up or activate the screen but I explained to them that their assessment was incorrect and to check the button again.  It didn't respond to ANY button presses without them being a really hard/long press and that it should respond to a light short press  They finally saw the light and refunded the full amount.

Before returning the N5, I had already ordered a replacement Fiio X5 and got it before I sent the N5 back so I had the opportunity to compare them along with my ancient iRiver H340 (using identical wav files) and the same set of headphones I have been using for years (Sony MDR-V4).  What I found was that they all sound pretty much the same.  That's quite interesting.  This says a lot about the quality of the H340 (it is, after all an ancestor of the Astell & Kerrn line), the solid sound of the MDR-V4 headphones or that my ears are so bad, everything sounds the same!

I will say this though - the X5 definitely has a slight bit of a muffled feel to it and I find the best fix for that is to use the "metal" EQ setting which, to me, makes it sound correct (to my ears anyway.)  This setting also sounds most like the N5 without EQ on as well as the H340 without EQ.  This is a bit different from the reviews I have read that say the X5 tends to be more treble forward.  In my testing, the N5 sounded better in this regard though the few hours I played with them together, the overall feel was they all sounded pretty much the same otherwise.  Oh, I hooked them all up to my PC and volume matched them using Audacity with the same test tones from one of my DVD test discs.  So I tried to take out any volume bias in my testing.  Poor man's level matching!

What was better about the N5?  Gold plated jacks, smaller scroll wheel (seemed to scroll through the files faster), better battery life (granted I only had it a little over a week but only recharged it once whereas I have charged the X5 twice in a week - maybe I'm playing the X5 more?)  and the overall feel of the build quality was better.  Even though the N5 is only about 10g heavier, it sure felt more solid - like a block of metal.  The X5, also metal, feels a bit hollow to me and sound as much when handling it.  The N5 clearly was more solid.  Well, except for the power button!  And has slightly better sound.  USB 3 was a big plus too.

What's better about the X5?  One extra button on the front for a bit more functionality, an easier to read interface, slightly better volume button arrangement (I did not like the extra menu button on the N5 as I always hit it when looking for the volume buttons) and a bit more responsive UI.  I think the UI is hit or miss for people in regards to responsiveness but for me the X5 seems a bit more snappy.

Overall I feel both are practically identical with enough differences to provide a clear choice depending on which one floats your boat.  But with almost identical sound, you can't go wrong with either one of them.  Oh, and if you happen to have an old H340 in your desk and some wav files, I recommend you keep using it as that player definitely keeps up with this new generation of DAPs.  If only it played FLAC!

Sorry the N5 did not work out for me as it seemed like a solid player until the power button failed.  If it hadn't, I'd still have it otherwise.

Thanks for listening,

Kevin


Sorry that the N5 didn't quite work out for you but mighty glad that you found something that does :)

In my view, the usability of a DAP plays an important role, more so than a home system. Keeping portability in mind, size, weight, battery life, UI, file support, and all buttons has to literally click.

While sound quality is important, a portable will have to fulfil its duty as a portable first and foremost.
 
May 27, 2016 at 10:24 PM Post #1,888 of 2,546
Btw @andykong

Do you have info about new firmware update? The battery reading in fw3.0 is annoying sometimes, suddenly drops so fast after below 40%

Cheers
 
May 28, 2016 at 4:35 PM Post #1,890 of 2,546
Sorry that the N5 didn't quite work out for you but mighty glad that you found something that does
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In my view, the usability of a DAP plays an important role, more so than a home system. Keeping portability in mind, size, weight, battery life, UI, file support, and all buttons has to literally click.

While sound quality is important, a portable will have to fulfil its duty as a portable first and foremost.


Me too.  Honestly, all the reviews I took the time to read indicated the N5 was the superior sounding device which *IS* important.  That's one of the reasons I chose the iRiver H340 over an iPod way back when.  All the reviews stated it had much better sound and I found that to be true.  So the consensus tends to be correct in my opinion.  The GUI for both N5 and X5 are pretty similar so, in that regard, there's not that much different between them which is good but I do feel the X5 implemented it a bit better.  But overall, they were so close as to be a wash for the most part.
 
I definitely liked the N5 and appreciated it was kind of different.  While "cool points" don't really mean much in general, I thought that was a definite selling point in favor of the N5.
 
You never know, I might still get one in the near to medium future anyway.
 
Kevin
 

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