Cayin N3 Hi-Res DAP with AKM4490 DAC, apt-X Bluetooth, and Line, USB & Coax Out for $150

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  1. Mr Trev
    Indeed, I wasn't too thrilled. Even less so when I found out the M2s does the exact same thing
     
  2. Wiljen
    I think the Cayin and the M2s use the same chip for USB functions, I'll try and confirm that but if true, it probably points to an issue either in the chip or the drivers for it.
     
  3. chellity
    Disabling HPET ended my audio sync issues...and windows or firmware update also had ended my popping issues I had for the longest time. my cayin n3 DAC now works perfectly, even with my modern laptop that had the same popping issues before.

    Since you are windows 7 still, I would not be surprised if that was part of the issue. I had major popping forever...but one day, it was fixed on both of my computers as things were updated. You should try disabling HPET and seeing if it changes anything.
     
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  4. Andykong
    I did not aware of any new coding that we have implemented to prevent custom firmware, we have no intention to stop customers from doing what they preferred on their device, including customization of any form, officially we just request the customer to restore their device back to factory firmware before submit the device for after-sales support.

    I'll notify our team and look into the problem after our Chinese New Year break. We are just a few day before the biggest national holiday in China and we are still working on the N5ii firmware right now, making sure everyone has a New Year treat before we take a break. Will keep the forum informed when I have update on this issue.
     
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  5. Andykong
    We have tested N3 with Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 for USB DAC and it work alright, We have had some problem with certain Windows 10 systems, so I don't believe it is related to Windows 7 specially.

    We have received several reports that exhibit similar problem, but the reports are not specifically targeted at Windows 7 specifically. We have not been able to replicate the problem in our Windows 7/8.1/10 setups, so we can't proceed further in our investigation. We can try to enable HPET (High Precision Event Timer) in our testing PC later to see if this will cause any problem with our USB Audio Driver, but if this is the real cause of the issue, that would suggest the problem is related to compatibility with BIOS of certain motherboard, which can explain why we can't replicate the problem at our lab.

    Again, we can't do this in next few days, so please pardon us for taking a bit longer to come back with more updates.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
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  6. gLer
    Hi Andy - not an issue - we got it to work! Stay tuned guys, nice surprise coming up...
     
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  7. gLer
    THE WAIT IS OVER... INTRODUCING CAYIN CUSTOM FIRMWARE 3.0!

    Thanks to everyone who's been using and enjoying Custom Firmware 2.1. Having just completed the new theme and tweaks for Custom Firmware 2.2 a few days ago, Cayin surprised us all with v3.0, and so we jumped straight to the new version, with full support for HiByLink and power saving features.

    If you're new to N3 Custom Firmware, fixes include:

    • All-new startup and shutdown animations.
    • All-new simplified, cleaner-looker themes.
    • Fixes to English interface grammar and spelling mistakes.
    • Slimming down of unnecessary resource files.

    New to Custom Firmware 3.0:

    • Further fixes and tweaks to interface text
    • All-new 'Sexy' theme (WARNING: this theme is definitely NOT safe for work, or kids, or wives...).
    • Full support for all the latest N3 features introduced in firmware 2.2 and 3.0.
    You can download Custom Firmware 3.0 here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5rhnitoqulc0wjg/update.upt?dl=0

    Big shout out to @captblaze for his patient and helpful support in unpacking and repacking the theme through dozens of versions and adjustments until it was *just right*. Also a big thank you to @Olorin17 for his offer to take over the technical stuff once Vortex left the project, and for his continued support. Without these guys, and your ongoing encouragement, none of this would have been possible.

    Thanks also to @Andykong and @CayinSupport for their continued presence and help on this site. We know that custom firmware is out of your sphere of influence, but thank you for creating such a great product in the N3 that allows us to express our creativity while enjoying some of the best portable sound around.

    As always, remember to flash your N3 back to official firmware should you need to send it back for repair. Also remember to delete any existing update.upt files on your TF card before updating with the new firmware.

    Enjoy, and look forward to continued discussions and feedback on this forum.


    gLer
     
  8. kendosperling
    Installed and working :) will test the next days...thanks for the great effort.
     
  9. fntms
    OK, still getting pops (not at tracks changes, which I could live with, but during playback, which I can't) after enabling / disabling HPET...all win updates have been made.
    It's a standard Dell MB, nothing too fancy I suppose.
     
  10. Andykong
    Apparently this is a machine dependent situation, majority users don't have the pop problem, and some can solve the problem by disabling the HPET, but in your case, you are having the pop noise in regardless of HPET setting.

    This is the difficult part of solving the problem. We can't pin-point the cause of the issue, and we can't replicate it under specific procedures, and we don't have enough cases to establish a pattern to conduct investigation.
     
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  11. riffrafff

    Very cool. My thanks to everyone involved! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :sunglasses:
     
  12. DBaldock9
    Did you change the Windows setting, as well as the BIOS setting?

    Quote from - https://www.ghacks.net/2013/04/18/try-changing-hpet-settings-to-improve-your-pcs-performance/

    Try changing HPET settings to improve your PC's performance
    by Martin Brinkmann on April 18, 2013 in Windows - Last Update: April 18, 2013 - 16 comments
    The High Precision Event Timer (HPET) is a hardware timer that has been developed by Intel and Microsoft and used in PC chipsets for nearly a decade. Different timers may be used depending on which operating system you have installed on your PC, and tweaking the timers may improve the overall performance of your PC as a result. This is mostly useful for gaming related activities and other real-time activities that tax the system a lot.

    The first thing that you need to find out is if HPET is supported by your system. You need to go into the BIOS or UEFI setup during boot to find out. Since there are that many different versions out there it is hard to say where you will find the setting on your system. I found the setting under Advanced Mode > Advanced > PCH Configuration > High Precision Timer.

    Enabling or disabling the timer in BIOS is only one part of the change that you have to make though. Windows may use different timers as said earlier even if the HPET timer is enabled in the BIOS.

    You need to run the following commands on the command line in Windows to enable or disable the exclusive use of the HPET timer.

    • Tap on the Windows-key, enter cmd, right-click cmd.exe in the results listing and select to run the command prompt with administrative privileges.
    • To enable HPET as the only timer run the command bcdedit /set useplatformclock true
    • To disable HPET in Windows run the command bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock
     
  13. Ad123
    So i have 2 cayin n3.
    I try update firmware to v3.0

    One using official cayin @CayinSupport
    One using custom by gLer @gLer

    The interesting part is.
    with custom v3.0 by gLer i can paired with pxc550 sennheiser after two timez connection failed (surprised me here).

    After gym going home and try the other one
    With official v3.0 cayin but sadly cant paired with pxc550 sennheiser.

    So good news and weird news here
    Because i tought the gLer version is for faster ui and custom here and there.
    But Bluetooth connectivity compatibility is new, i guess.

    Update:
    Try with official firmware with almost same procedure.

    Try connect to pxc failed 3 to 4 time
    Connect to other phone with failed paired on purpose
    Paired again to pxc still failed

    Maybe if i try again it will paired (same version 3.0 with custom) , but because i know my other one with custom firmware can paired with that scheme, i change the official to gLer custom v3.0

    And after another failed and confuse why this one cant paired even with custom version ......

    Try again with
    Failed on purpose.
    I get n3 close to BT receiver on pxc550 (right side) and little nudge with cayin (with sillicone of course)
    VIOLA it paired. Thx GOD and gLer ;D
    Maybe can help other user.

    Just for info, n3 can play via BT aptx to other aptx receiver also controled by hiby at same time (iphone or other non aptx support or because the music library in cayin n3).

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    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
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  14. groucho69
    Once again a winner!!!

    great job.gif
     
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  15. Olorin17
    Thanks for this, looks great as usual.
    And thanks to @captblaze for taking over the package part.

    I still don't understand why I can't do the packaging anymore on linux with the new firmware, but I'll keep looking.
     

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