Cayin C9ii: Dual Nutube Prtable Headphone Amplifier (Gen5 3x Timbre, Anode, NFB, Pre/Line)

Feb 11, 2025 at 12:50 PM Post #361 of 424
Hello,

I bought my C9ii couple months ago. I finally found time to use it. I switched on but not flights turned on other than power led.

It is fully charge.

I removed battaries and installed. Charge 10 seconds and tried again. Nothing happened again.

What could be reason?

Thanks


I used Sp3000 firstly. I switched to Wm1am2. Problem solved.
 
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Feb 11, 2025 at 7:59 PM Post #362 of 424
Hello,

I bought my C9ii couple months ago. I finally found time to use it. I switched on but not flights turned on other than power led.

It is fully charge.

I removed battaries and installed. Charge 10 seconds and tried again. Nothing happened again.

What could be reason?

Thanks


I used Sp3000 firstly. I switched to Wm1am2. Problem solved.
So the tubes don't actually light up till your headphones/iems are plugged in. Try that and if nothing happens I'd probably contact the seller.
 
Feb 11, 2025 at 10:02 PM Post #363 of 424
This is a portable headphone amp, not a space shuttle. There are infinitely more complex products in audio that are reviewed by sources as diverse as YouTube hobbyists all the way up to traditional outlets like Stereophile. You’re suggesting that this device is somehow too complicated for them to figure out and review properly? If so, how in God’s name could any consumer be expected to understand it? Do you see the troubling contradiction in your assertion here?
The C9ii isn’t a space shuttle, and compared to a Boeing 747, it has far fewer buttons—by a long shot.

It’s not that we doubt users or reviewers can understand it, but rather, our concern lies in the level of rigor applied during the review process. A proper review isn’t just about plugging in the cables, flipping a few switches, and simply submitting a review like "ah really nice, I like it, buy recommended". What we seek isn’t just any review that anyone can put together—we value reviews that are structured, thorough, and insightful. This is why Cayin has always prioritized rigor when selecting reviewers. And why you’ll often see reviews from professionals like Twister6 and Headfonics, whose work is both highly technical and informative, including technical introduction and pairing with various of hps. However, as you pointed out, the trade-off of these high quality articles is that the number of available reviews remains limited.

And speak of rigor, it is more than 'what a review should be like', it involves certain riskiness. I mean seriously. Imagine a reviewer using it with an N7, which has a variable LO output, and then testing it in Pre-In mode, then he states, 'this mode sounds great, I recommend you try it,' someone else might follow their advice using a fixed-volume LO output DAP—what would be next? Headphones get blasted with dangerously high volume levels.

So when selecting reviewers, we take into account their past experience—what they’ve used, their familiarity with relevant stuffs, and the depth of their previous reviews. It’s a comprehensive evaluation because we believe rigor in reviews is essential, rather than blindly sending it to reviewers who produce mediocre content without really taking their time to learning and presenting the functions of the C9ii. If we did, the number of reviews might be plenty, but it may, unfortunately, lead to ineffective promotion—akin to printing its logo on a Big Mac wrap—ineffective. (Though, Big Mac in previous post was just a lighthearted joke)

I’m not saying our approach is necessarily the right one, but just want to explain our principle to you, and anyone who might be interested. In fact, after hearing your complaints, I believe you have a valid point—indeed we may need to rethink our strategy and focus not just on strict editorial quality, but also on increasing the number of reviews so that users can access a broader range of opinions. This kind of feedback from you is invaluable—and it’s through these discussions that we can know everyone's thought and continue improving. So, for that, I genuinely appreciate your input.
 
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Feb 11, 2025 at 10:26 PM Post #364 of 424

Gold Fox

Any update ?
Thanks
Sorry to tell that, due to the recent Chinese New Year holiday, the packaging boxes for the power modules that we ordered have encountered some delays... The exact availability will depend on when these packaging is ready.
 
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Feb 12, 2025 at 12:06 AM Post #365 of 424
The C9ii isn’t a space shuttle, and compared to a Boeing 747, it has far fewer buttons—by a long shot.

It’s not that we doubt users or reviewers can understand it, but rather, our concern lies in the level of rigor applied during the review process. A proper review isn’t just about plugging in the cables, flipping a few switches, and simply submitting a review like "ah really nice, I like it, buy recommended". What we seek isn’t just any review that anyone can put together—we value reviews that are structured, thorough, and insightful. This is why Cayin has always prioritized rigor when selecting reviewers. And why you’ll often see reviews from professionals like Twister6 and Headfonics, whose work is both highly technical and informative, including technical introduction and pairing with various of hps. However, as you pointed out, the trade-off of these high quality articles is that the number of available reviews remains limited.

And speak of rigor, it is more than 'what a review should be like', it involves certain riskiness. I mean seriously. Imagine a reviewer using it with an N7, which has a variable LO output, and then testing it in Pre-In mode, then he states, 'this mode sounds great, I recommend you try it,' someone else might follow their advice using a fixed-volume LO output DAP—what would be next? Headphones get blasted with dangerously high volume levels.

So when selecting reviewers, we take into account their past experience—what they’ve used, their familiarity with relevant stuffs, and the depth of their previous reviews. It’s a comprehensive evaluation because we believe rigor in reviews is essential, rather than blindly sending it to reviewers who produce mediocre content without really taking their time to learning and presenting the functions of the C9ii. If we did, the number of reviews might be plenty, but it may, unfortunately, lead to ineffective promotion—akin to printing its logo on a Big Mac wrap—ineffective. (Though, Big Mac in previous post was just a lighthearted joke)

I’m not saying our approach is necessarily the right one, but just want to explain our principle to you, and anyone who might be interested. In fact, after hearing your complaints, I believe you have a valid point—indeed we may need to rethink our strategy and focus not just on strict editorial quality, but also on increasing the number of reviews so that users can access a broader range of opinions. This kind of feedback from you is invaluable—and it’s through these discussions that we can know everyone's thought and continue improving. So, for that, I genuinely appreciate your input.

Will you be at Canjam New York?
 
Feb 18, 2025 at 12:57 AM Post #366 of 424
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Feb 18, 2025 at 6:22 PM Post #367 of 424
Well it’s been a great few months listening… I’m now convinced the C9ii is a keeper it will be my go to rig for travel with a lightweight dongle. It is now replacing my desktop amps more than half the time for two reasons:

1. Summer in australia means my beloved Auris Nirvana needs a break from heating my study where I do most of my headphone listening… my mileage in winter may vary

2. The sound quality with my ZMF atrium closed and Utopia headphones is synergistically superb with the Cayin. And even the Abyss 1266 is acceptable but not as rock sold in the bass as when using my desktops… the C9ii’s musicality of the sound is excellent with all these headphones and my less used U18 earphones (which do pair also well with the mojo 2) it’s nice to vary the settings to match music really does add to it

That brings me to my call for advice to find the best dongle. I like the dongle I’m using, a Vioelectric Chronos. In fact I prefer the sound of this dongle to either my mojo 2 (too warm) or my Hugo 2 (nice but marginally less musical, I’m surprised by this as I love the Hugo 2, I have yet to try the TT2 but has seen here it looks to pair well - my wife might kill me if I take it off the speaker system so I might have to wait to try it).

And I’m only looking for a potentially better dongle as being a head fi nut I’m always looking to improve/experiment/be disappointed and retry! I do prefer a solid connection too, and the one failing generally of the Hugo 2 is the mini usb input port being “a bit dodgy” when moved around… something that has gotten worse and more annoying with age. The mini usb charging port is going the same way sadly, I look forward to a Hugo 3 with USB C.

Are there any suggestions on what you might have found that synergies well with the Cayin in terms of a good dongle? I can say the best source sound I have heard with the Cayin is from my Denefrips terminator… not a dongle though and not very portable😎, but it takes the C9ii to the next level for sure.

Also a thumbs up to Minidisc here in Australia where I bought my C9ii, and Cayin, I had a valve fail and had an instant replacement in my hands… so much appreciated you can buy with confidence here.

Cheers,

TonyAAA
 
Feb 18, 2025 at 10:34 PM Post #368 of 424
Well it’s been a great few months listening… I’m now convinced the C9ii is a keeper it will be my go to rig for travel with a lightweight dongle. It is now replacing my desktop amps more than half the time for two reasons:

1. Summer in australia means my beloved Auris Nirvana needs a break from heating my study where I do most of my headphone listening… my mileage in winter may vary

2. The sound quality with my ZMF atrium closed and Utopia headphones is synergistically superb with the Cayin. And even the Abyss 1266 is acceptable but not as rock sold in the bass as when using my desktops… the C9ii’s musicality of the sound is excellent with all these headphones and my less used U18 earphones (which do pair also well with the mojo 2) it’s nice to vary the settings to match music really does add to it

That brings me to my call for advice to find the best dongle. I like the dongle I’m using, a Vioelectric Chronos. In fact I prefer the sound of this dongle to either my mojo 2 (too warm) or my Hugo 2 (nice but marginally less musical, I’m surprised by this as I love the Hugo 2, I have yet to try the TT2 but has seen here it looks to pair well - my wife might kill me if I take it off the speaker system so I might have to wait to try it).

And I’m only looking for a potentially better dongle as being a head fi nut I’m always looking to improve/experiment/be disappointed and retry! I do prefer a solid connection too, and the one failing generally of the Hugo 2 is the mini usb input port being “a bit dodgy” when moved around… something that has gotten worse and more annoying with age. The mini usb charging port is going the same way sadly, I look forward to a Hugo 3 with USB C.

Are there any suggestions on what you might have found that synergies well with the Cayin in terms of a good dongle? I can say the best source sound I have heard with the Cayin is from my Denefrips terminator… not a dongle though and not very portable😎, but it takes the C9ii to the next level for sure.

Also a thumbs up to Minidisc here in Australia where I bought my C9ii, and Cayin, I had a valve fail and had an instant replacement in my hands… so much appreciated you can buy with confidence here.

Cheers,

TonyAAA
Wing and the team are the best!

If you’re interested I have an awesome Cayin ru7 for sale (I’m in Sydney). Honestly one of the best dongles around.
 
Feb 19, 2025 at 12:36 AM Post #369 of 424
Well it’s been a great few months listening… I’m now convinced the C9ii is a keeper it will be my go to rig for travel with a lightweight dongle. It is now replacing my desktop amps more than half the time for two reasons:

1. Summer in australia means my beloved Auris Nirvana needs a break from heating my study where I do most of my headphone listening… my mileage in winter may vary

2. The sound quality with my ZMF atrium closed and Utopia headphones is synergistically superb with the Cayin. And even the Abyss 1266 is acceptable but not as rock sold in the bass as when using my desktops… the C9ii’s musicality of the sound is excellent with all these headphones and my less used U18 earphones (which do pair also well with the mojo 2) it’s nice to vary the settings to match music really does add to it

That brings me to my call for advice to find the best dongle. I like the dongle I’m using, a Vioelectric Chronos. In fact I prefer the sound of this dongle to either my mojo 2 (too warm) or my Hugo 2 (nice but marginally less musical, I’m surprised by this as I love the Hugo 2, I have yet to try the TT2 but has seen here it looks to pair well - my wife might kill me if I take it off the speaker system so I might have to wait to try it).

And I’m only looking for a potentially better dongle as being a head fi nut I’m always looking to improve/experiment/be disappointed and retry! I do prefer a solid connection too, and the one failing generally of the Hugo 2 is the mini usb input port being “a bit dodgy” when moved around… something that has gotten worse and more annoying with age. The mini usb charging port is going the same way sadly, I look forward to a Hugo 3 with USB C.

Are there any suggestions on what you might have found that synergies well with the Cayin in terms of a good dongle? I can say the best source sound I have heard with the Cayin is from my Denefrips terminator… not a dongle though and not very portable😎, but it takes the C9ii to the next level for sure.

Also a thumbs up to Minidisc here in Australia where I bought my C9ii, and Cayin, I had a valve fail and had an instant replacement in my hands… so much appreciated you can buy with confidence here.

Cheers,

TonyAAA
If you can up your game a bit, I would suggest the Cayin N3ultra as a source, it is small but wow that is an awesome DAP by itself.
 
Feb 19, 2025 at 1:25 AM Post #370 of 424
If you can up your game a bit, I would suggest the Cayin N3ultra as a source, it is small but wow that is an awesome DAP by itself.
ECKHUAAA thanks for the suggestion but I’m keen to use my phone as the source, mainly because I stream so much exploratory music… discovery is half the fun for me! I’m also using iPhones because of both habit and lining up with all the family sharing plans I’ve put in place.

Tony AAA
 
Feb 20, 2025 at 11:56 AM Post #371 of 424
Hi guys, recently acquired my own C9II and just wanted to leave some brief impressions of it, since I do believe it is currently the best sounding (with some nuances) "portable" amp on the market.

First of all, there are a ton of options for sound shaping available on the c9ii, so I'll cover my impressions of each individually and how it impacts the sound, then my personal preference. Won't be speaking of High Gain though, as I never had a reason, or an IEM to warrant that kind of output on.

I've been feeding the C9ii with an AK Sp3000 Copper with a custom EA 12 wire Chiron/Caliburn Interconnect with my IEM of choice for it being my CIEM Indigo connected with an EA Hades II cable.

Amp Modes:

Type A: I find type A to be very smooth and warm, the overall tonality isn't a preference of mine but it does offer a pleasant listen experience if you're a fan of the Cayin sound and type A amps in general. There is a bit less dynamics to this amp mode than the others with vocals that sit front and center, bass that extends well with lengthy decay and light amounts of bloom into the lower mid range but not intrusive at all. The highs are very smooth and lack any bite, which for me isn't preferable. I do find the stage feels to be a bit smaller with this setting than the others, but it's likely due to how the vocals are placed relative to the rest of the mix.

Type AB: My personal preference, highly dynamic, tight and fast bass with mids that are neutrally placed and treble with a defined edge. The decay is faster here than type A with no bloom and a bit colder tonality than type A.

Type - Hyper: Probably my least favorite of the three, it retains a lot of smoothness from the type A described above but gains a large quantity of bass, which for me felt boomy and kind of dramatically "overdone" sounding, other than that difference in the bass, i found this to be largely the same as type A with maybe a slight increase in staging size.

Timbre Modes:

Modern Tubes: My favorite, this offers a massive stage, incredible imaging that is pin point and holographic with amazing layering and technical strength. There is a light amount of warmth typical of nutubes but not overly warm and retains a very good treble sparkle and edge when combined with type AB amp. The mids are pushed slightly forward but never "in your face". The bass region remains well controlled and has good punch and rumble with good dynamics, only really falling short of the Solid State mode by a small margin but the staging/layering and imaging gains are well worth it. The modern tube mode also retains great air up top which a lot of nutube implementations (other than the iBasso PB5) typically fall short on.

Classic Tubes: Much like type A, this mode is very smooth and "relaxing" with notes gaining weight and size, blending seamlessly for a very cohesive sound. The overall staging/holography here I feel is quite a bit less than the Modern tubes, due to the gain in weight and note size, there is some obscuring of minor details (FWIW, I listen to a lot of metal/rock so this may be less of an issue with other genres). Similarly, Classic tubes are also less airy than the Modern implementation while also being warmer across the bass and mids and darker up top with much less treble sparkle.

Solid State: If you're familiar with the original C9, not much has changed here relative to the sound profile it is aiming for. That is, a more dynamic, bassy presentation with lightly recessed mid range and a treble with a fair bit of smoothness without losing much sparkle (personally, the best treble presentation for me is still the Modern tubes, but other owners I know with the C9ii prefer solid state). Staging and Imaging are great here as well, but not as holographic and grand as the tube modes, but that is to be expected of any tube vs SS implementation as long as it isn't botched.

Anode Modes:

Low: The biggest difference in the Anode modes comes in the mid range with only small effects to the surrounding FR. In Low anode, the mids are a little colder and thinner with slightly less forward nature, depending on your above combination, you'll either have neutrally (low anode, modern tube, type AB) or forward mid range (low anode, classic, hyper or type A). There is more space surrounding vocals with low anode mode but there is slightly worse layering when compared to High anode. As a result of the mids changing, lower treble does feel slightly more prominent and mid bass has more room to play into the lower mids but, in my testing, never muddied or obscured any vocals.

High: I keep High anode on between these two, as the increased layering and slightly thicker mid range works well with type AB amp to balance out the neutrality of it's mid range placement pushing mids slightly forward without losing detail/staging. A combination of high anode, classic tube mode and type A or hyper amp results in a VERY "real tube" sound which is smooth, warm and holographic, so those who have dismissed nutubes in the past as "not tubey enough" can look to the C9ii to fulfill your love of tubes.

Finally we have the last option available, which is negative feedback (NFB) on or off. I didn't play TOO much with this option, but the general difference here is, with NFB on, you'll have a pulled back, you're in the 5th row seating kind of sound, with a more ethereal sound but doesn't feel as "clean" (hard to describe this, it's something you have to hear to really get) vs with NFB off you have a cleaner, 1st or 2nd row presentation with a more cohesive sound and what I felt to be better imaging and layering in all of my A/B testing of the two.

My go to settings are Amp type AB, Modern tubes, High Anode and NFB off, low gain. This gives the C9ii the best technical strength with untouchable imaging accuracy, staging width, depth and height with amazing layering capabilities while being highly dynamic and detailed. The great thing about the C9ii, much like the C9 and later the n30le, is that you can mix/match and experiment to find a sound that works for you or fits the music you want at that moment, all on the fly.
 
Feb 20, 2025 at 4:14 PM Post #372 of 424
Hi guys, recently acquired my own C9II and just wanted to leave some brief impressions of it, since I do believe it is currently the best sounding (with some nuances) "portable" amp on the market.

First of all, there are a ton of options for sound shaping available on the c9ii, so I'll cover my impressions of each individually and how it impacts the sound, then my personal preference. Won't be speaking of High Gain though, as I never had a reason, or an IEM to warrant that kind of output on.

I've been feeding the C9ii with an AK Sp3000 Copper with a custom EA 12 wire Chiron/Caliburn Interconnect with my IEM of choice for it being my CIEM Indigo connected with an EA Hades II cable.

Amp Modes:

Type A: I find type A to be very smooth and warm, the overall tonality isn't a preference of mine but it does offer a pleasant listen experience if you're a fan of the Cayin sound and type A amps in general. There is a bit less dynamics to this amp mode than the others with vocals that sit front and center, bass that extends well with lengthy decay and light amounts of bloom into the lower mid range but not intrusive at all. The highs are very smooth and lack any bite, which for me isn't preferable. I do find the stage feels to be a bit smaller with this setting than the others, but it's likely due to how the vocals are placed relative to the rest of the mix.

Type AB: My personal preference, highly dynamic, tight and fast bass with mids that are neutrally placed and treble with a defined edge. The decay is faster here than type A with no bloom and a bit colder tonality than type A.

Type - Hyper: Probably my least favorite of the three, it retains a lot of smoothness from the type A described above but gains a large quantity of bass, which for me felt boomy and kind of dramatically "overdone" sounding, other than that difference in the bass, i found this to be largely the same as type A with maybe a slight increase in staging size.

Timbre Modes:

Modern Tubes: My favorite, this offers a massive stage, incredible imaging that is pin point and holographic with amazing layering and technical strength. There is a light amount of warmth typical of nutubes but not overly warm and retains a very good treble sparkle and edge when combined with type AB amp. The mids are pushed slightly forward but never "in your face". The bass region remains well controlled and has good punch and rumble with good dynamics, only really falling short of the Solid State mode by a small margin but the staging/layering and imaging gains are well worth it. The modern tube mode also retains great air up top which a lot of nutube implementations (other than the iBasso PB5) typically fall short on.

Classic Tubes: Much like type A, this mode is very smooth and "relaxing" with notes gaining weight and size, blending seamlessly for a very cohesive sound. The overall staging/holography here I feel is quite a bit less than the Modern tubes, due to the gain in weight and note size, there is some obscuring of minor details (FWIW, I listen to a lot of metal/rock so this may be less of an issue with other genres). Similarly, Classic tubes are also less airy than the Modern implementation while also being warmer across the bass and mids and darker up top with much less treble sparkle.

Solid State: If you're familiar with the original C9, not much has changed here relative to the sound profile it is aiming for. That is, a more dynamic, bassy presentation with lightly recessed mid range and a treble with a fair bit of smoothness without losing much sparkle (personally, the best treble presentation for me is still the Modern tubes, but other owners I know with the C9ii prefer solid state). Staging and Imaging are great here as well, but not as holographic and grand as the tube modes, but that is to be expected of any tube vs SS implementation as long as it isn't botched.

Anode Modes:

Low: The biggest difference in the Anode modes comes in the mid range with only small effects to the surrounding FR. In Low anode, the mids are a little colder and thinner with slightly less forward nature, depending on your above combination, you'll either have neutrally (low anode, modern tube, type AB) or forward mid range (low anode, classic, hyper or type A). There is more space surrounding vocals with low anode mode but there is slightly worse layering when compared to High anode. As a result of the mids changing, lower treble does feel slightly more prominent and mid bass has more room to play into the lower mids but, in my testing, never muddied or obscured any vocals.

High: I keep High anode on between these two, as the increased layering and slightly thicker mid range works well with type AB amp to balance out the neutrality of it's mid range placement pushing mids slightly forward without losing detail/staging. A combination of high anode, classic tube mode and type A or hyper amp results in a VERY "real tube" sound which is smooth, warm and holographic, so those who have dismissed nutubes in the past as "not tubey enough" can look to the C9ii to fulfill your love of tubes.

Finally we have the last option available, which is negative feedback (NFB) on or off. I didn't play TOO much with this option, but the general difference here is, with NFB on, you'll have a pulled back, you're in the 5th row seating kind of sound, with a more ethereal sound but doesn't feel as "clean" (hard to describe this, it's something you have to hear to really get) vs with NFB off you have a cleaner, 1st or 2nd row presentation with a more cohesive sound and what I felt to be better imaging and layering in all of my A/B testing of the two.

My go to settings are Amp type AB, Modern tubes, High Anode and NFB off, low gain. This gives the C9ii the best technical strength with untouchable imaging accuracy, staging width, depth and height with amazing layering capabilities while being highly dynamic and detailed. The great thing about the C9ii, much like the C9 and later the n30le, is that you can mix/match and experiment to find a sound that works for you or fits the music you want at that moment, all on the fly.
What a great summary of sound - you put into words much of what I felt and could not quite pin point to describe… NFB effect for example. My preferences diverge as I’m usually for a cleaner sound on some instrumental songs but often like rock/vocals (or bad recordings, Led Zeplin are you listening) with a bit of colour/body. That’s what I love with the C9ii - we can modify to suit!

The impact of the tremendous range of sounds the C9ii can output is when I settled on a dongle yesterday to drive the C9ii, I chose the ibasso elite. Pricey but just a step up from some other great dongles to my ears. My second favourite dongle in a long listening session at minidisc was my old Vioelectric chronos, it was close to the ibasso but not as refined, and harsher in the treble. I did all my in store comparisons listening using the C9ii. When I got home I ran the ibasso direct to my ZMF atrium closed and was shocked… did I need the C9ii??? It was pretty good, exceptional for a dongle, plenty of power and clarity with authority. I played some tracks I love like “Ashphalt meadows” by death cab for cutie (yes I just like saying that name) and I realised the difference… my toes were tapping with the C9ii. Something more full, musical was happening… the classic tube setting, hybrid mode magic! Switching to solid state was great but much closer to the ibasso alone. So yes I didn’t waste a fortune on the C9ii, thanks to that tremulous flexibility to alter sound to match both music and mood, phew!

Great time to be in headfi.

TonyAAA
 
Feb 20, 2025 at 7:41 PM Post #373 of 424
Hi guys, recently acquired my own C9II and just wanted to leave some brief impressions of it, since I do believe it is currently the best sounding (with some nuances) "portable" amp on the market.

First of all, there are a ton of options for sound shaping available on the c9ii, so I'll cover my impressions of each individually and how it impacts the sound, then my personal preference. Won't be speaking of High Gain though, as I never had a reason, or an IEM to warrant that kind of output on.

I've been feeding the C9ii with an AK Sp3000 Copper with a custom EA 12 wire Chiron/Caliburn Interconnect with my IEM of choice for it being my CIEM Indigo connected with an EA Hades II cable.

Amp Modes:

Type A: I find type A to be very smooth and warm, the overall tonality isn't a preference of mine but it does offer a pleasant listen experience if you're a fan of the Cayin sound and type A amps in general. There is a bit less dynamics to this amp mode than the others with vocals that sit front and center, bass that extends well with lengthy decay and light amounts of bloom into the lower mid range but not intrusive at all. The highs are very smooth and lack any bite, which for me isn't preferable. I do find the stage feels to be a bit smaller with this setting than the others, but it's likely due to how the vocals are placed relative to the rest of the mix.

Type AB: My personal preference, highly dynamic, tight and fast bass with mids that are neutrally placed and treble with a defined edge. The decay is faster here than type A with no bloom and a bit colder tonality than type A.

Type - Hyper: Probably my least favorite of the three, it retains a lot of smoothness from the type A described above but gains a large quantity of bass, which for me felt boomy and kind of dramatically "overdone" sounding, other than that difference in the bass, i found this to be largely the same as type A with maybe a slight increase in staging size.

Timbre Modes:

Modern Tubes: My favorite, this offers a massive stage, incredible imaging that is pin point and holographic with amazing layering and technical strength. There is a light amount of warmth typical of nutubes but not overly warm and retains a very good treble sparkle and edge when combined with type AB amp. The mids are pushed slightly forward but never "in your face". The bass region remains well controlled and has good punch and rumble with good dynamics, only really falling short of the Solid State mode by a small margin but the staging/layering and imaging gains are well worth it. The modern tube mode also retains great air up top which a lot of nutube implementations (other than the iBasso PB5) typically fall short on.

Classic Tubes: Much like type A, this mode is very smooth and "relaxing" with notes gaining weight and size, blending seamlessly for a very cohesive sound. The overall staging/holography here I feel is quite a bit less than the Modern tubes, due to the gain in weight and note size, there is some obscuring of minor details (FWIW, I listen to a lot of metal/rock so this may be less of an issue with other genres). Similarly, Classic tubes are also less airy than the Modern implementation while also being warmer across the bass and mids and darker up top with much less treble sparkle.

Solid State: If you're familiar with the original C9, not much has changed here relative to the sound profile it is aiming for. That is, a more dynamic, bassy presentation with lightly recessed mid range and a treble with a fair bit of smoothness without losing much sparkle (personally, the best treble presentation for me is still the Modern tubes, but other owners I know with the C9ii prefer solid state). Staging and Imaging are great here as well, but not as holographic and grand as the tube modes, but that is to be expected of any tube vs SS implementation as long as it isn't botched.

Anode Modes:

Low: The biggest difference in the Anode modes comes in the mid range with only small effects to the surrounding FR. In Low anode, the mids are a little colder and thinner with slightly less forward nature, depending on your above combination, you'll either have neutrally (low anode, modern tube, type AB) or forward mid range (low anode, classic, hyper or type A). There is more space surrounding vocals with low anode mode but there is slightly worse layering when compared to High anode. As a result of the mids changing, lower treble does feel slightly more prominent and mid bass has more room to play into the lower mids but, in my testing, never muddied or obscured any vocals.

High: I keep High anode on between these two, as the increased layering and slightly thicker mid range works well with type AB amp to balance out the neutrality of it's mid range placement pushing mids slightly forward without losing detail/staging. A combination of high anode, classic tube mode and type A or hyper amp results in a VERY "real tube" sound which is smooth, warm and holographic, so those who have dismissed nutubes in the past as "not tubey enough" can look to the C9ii to fulfill your love of tubes.

Finally we have the last option available, which is negative feedback (NFB) on or off. I didn't play TOO much with this option, but the general difference here is, with NFB on, you'll have a pulled back, you're in the 5th row seating kind of sound, with a more ethereal sound but doesn't feel as "clean" (hard to describe this, it's something you have to hear to really get) vs with NFB off you have a cleaner, 1st or 2nd row presentation with a more cohesive sound and what I felt to be better imaging and layering in all of my A/B testing of the two.

My go to settings are Amp type AB, Modern tubes, High Anode and NFB off, low gain. This gives the C9ii the best technical strength with untouchable imaging accuracy, staging width, depth and height with amazing layering capabilities while being highly dynamic and detailed. The great thing about the C9ii, much like the C9 and later the n30le, is that you can mix/match and experiment to find a sound that works for you or fits the music you want at that moment, all on the fly.
Wow I think you have me sold.
 
Feb 20, 2025 at 8:48 PM Post #374 of 424
Hi guys, recently acquired my own C9II and just wanted to leave some brief impressions of it, since I do believe it is currently the best sounding (with some nuances) "portable" amp on the market.

First of all, there are a ton of options for sound shaping available on the c9ii, so I'll cover my impressions of each individually and how it impacts the sound, then my personal preference. Won't be speaking of High Gain though, as I never had a reason, or an IEM to warrant that kind of output on.

I've been feeding the C9ii with an AK Sp3000 Copper with a custom EA 12 wire Chiron/Caliburn Interconnect with my IEM of choice for it being my CIEM Indigo connected with an EA Hades II cable.

Amp Modes:

Type A: I find type A to be very smooth and warm, the overall tonality isn't a preference of mine but it does offer a pleasant listen experience if you're a fan of the Cayin sound and type A amps in general. There is a bit less dynamics to this amp mode than the others with vocals that sit front and center, bass that extends well with lengthy decay and light amounts of bloom into the lower mid range but not intrusive at all. The highs are very smooth and lack any bite, which for me isn't preferable. I do find the stage feels to be a bit smaller with this setting than the others, but it's likely due to how the vocals are placed relative to the rest of the mix.

Type AB: My personal preference, highly dynamic, tight and fast bass with mids that are neutrally placed and treble with a defined edge. The decay is faster here than type A with no bloom and a bit colder tonality than type A.

Type - Hyper: Probably my least favorite of the three, it retains a lot of smoothness from the type A described above but gains a large quantity of bass, which for me felt boomy and kind of dramatically "overdone" sounding, other than that difference in the bass, i found this to be largely the same as type A with maybe a slight increase in staging size.

Timbre Modes:

Modern Tubes: My favorite, this offers a massive stage, incredible imaging that is pin point and holographic with amazing layering and technical strength. There is a light amount of warmth typical of nutubes but not overly warm and retains a very good treble sparkle and edge when combined with type AB amp. The mids are pushed slightly forward but never "in your face". The bass region remains well controlled and has good punch and rumble with good dynamics, only really falling short of the Solid State mode by a small margin but the staging/layering and imaging gains are well worth it. The modern tube mode also retains great air up top which a lot of nutube implementations (other than the iBasso PB5) typically fall short on.

Classic Tubes: Much like type A, this mode is very smooth and "relaxing" with notes gaining weight and size, blending seamlessly for a very cohesive sound. The overall staging/holography here I feel is quite a bit less than the Modern tubes, due to the gain in weight and note size, there is some obscuring of minor details (FWIW, I listen to a lot of metal/rock so this may be less of an issue with other genres). Similarly, Classic tubes are also less airy than the Modern implementation while also being warmer across the bass and mids and darker up top with much less treble sparkle.

Solid State: If you're familiar with the original C9, not much has changed here relative to the sound profile it is aiming for. That is, a more dynamic, bassy presentation with lightly recessed mid range and a treble with a fair bit of smoothness without losing much sparkle (personally, the best treble presentation for me is still the Modern tubes, but other owners I know with the C9ii prefer solid state). Staging and Imaging are great here as well, but not as holographic and grand as the tube modes, but that is to be expected of any tube vs SS implementation as long as it isn't botched.

Anode Modes:

Low: The biggest difference in the Anode modes comes in the mid range with only small effects to the surrounding FR. In Low anode, the mids are a little colder and thinner with slightly less forward nature, depending on your above combination, you'll either have neutrally (low anode, modern tube, type AB) or forward mid range (low anode, classic, hyper or type A). There is more space surrounding vocals with low anode mode but there is slightly worse layering when compared to High anode. As a result of the mids changing, lower treble does feel slightly more prominent and mid bass has more room to play into the lower mids but, in my testing, never muddied or obscured any vocals.

High: I keep High anode on between these two, as the increased layering and slightly thicker mid range works well with type AB amp to balance out the neutrality of it's mid range placement pushing mids slightly forward without losing detail/staging. A combination of high anode, classic tube mode and type A or hyper amp results in a VERY "real tube" sound which is smooth, warm and holographic, so those who have dismissed nutubes in the past as "not tubey enough" can look to the C9ii to fulfill your love of tubes.

Finally we have the last option available, which is negative feedback (NFB) on or off. I didn't play TOO much with this option, but the general difference here is, with NFB on, you'll have a pulled back, you're in the 5th row seating kind of sound, with a more ethereal sound but doesn't feel as "clean" (hard to describe this, it's something you have to hear to really get) vs with NFB off you have a cleaner, 1st or 2nd row presentation with a more cohesive sound and what I felt to be better imaging and layering in all of my A/B testing of the two.

My go to settings are Amp type AB, Modern tubes, High Anode and NFB off, low gain. This gives the C9ii the best technical strength with untouchable imaging accuracy, staging width, depth and height with amazing layering capabilities while being highly dynamic and detailed. The great thing about the C9ii, much like the C9 and later the n30le, is that you can mix/match and experiment to find a sound that works for you or fits the music you want at that moment, all on the fly.
Thanks for your review, it's nice!

When you say "best sounding portable amp", what do you mean? What are you comparing it to?
 
Feb 20, 2025 at 9:01 PM Post #375 of 424
Thanks for your review, it's nice!

When you say "best sounding portable amp", what do you mean? What are you comparing it to?
The gamut I've run through over the years, ibasso pb5, original c9, MK 475, Tsurangi (original never tried the other versions) as well as the LP EA4 regular edition. While I think both the pb5 and EA4 are excellent, the c9ii is technically stronger and the only reason to go for the other two would be if you prefer their tonality. From testing the ea4 though, it does not have the range that the c9ii has, it is always warm and smooth to even warmer and smoother where the c9ii has a wide range of sound and appeal for various music while the ea4 is all mid centric all the time.
 
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