Cayin C9ii: Dual Nutube Prtable Headphone Amplifier (Gen5 3x Timbre, Anode, NFB, Pre/Line)
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Cayin C9ii - Reaching New Heights

When Cayin released the first generation, TOTL C9 portable amplifier back in 2021, it quickly gained recognition among audiophiles for its Tube/Solid-state dual timbre, direct-drive battery-powered circuit, discrete Class A/AB DAO (Dual Amp. Operation), Pre-Amp input (pure power amplifier) mode, and many other unique design and amplification techniques.

The C9 was a niche, highly specialized, and distinctive product within a very niche market, it unexpectedly brought Cayin market success and a strong reputation, showing that the market for audiophiles in pursuit of audio perfection is out there waiting for the right product

The fundamental purpose of a portable headphone amplifier lies in its core function: enhancing sound quality and broadening its ability to drive a wide range of loads. Now that many DAPs have embraced significant improvements in circuit performance, can the C9ii still achieve the same level of market recognition as the C9 did three and a half years ago? This is a question on the minds of many audiophiles. Some even ask us which offers better sound quality, the N30LE or the C9ii?

The C9 portable amplifier became a phenomenon three and a half years ago, primarily due to its innovative design and its unique and powerful features. (Insert link to a headline or the official thread in the HeadFi forum about the first generation of the C9). Today, let’s take a closer look at the new design, features, and updates of the newly announced C9ii.

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Gen5 Nutube 6P1 Vacuum Tube Audio Circuit

The Nutube Timbre circuit in the C9ii utilizes a three-stage amplification design, with the core components consisting of a matched pair Nutube 6P1 dual directly-heated triode (DHT) vacuum tube and numerous Toshiba 2SK209 audio grade JFETs as buffer amplifier and buffer driver stage before/after the Nutubes.

The Timbre circuit offers three timber options:
Modern Sound: The harmonic distortion characteristics and sound signature lean more towards a modern style, with greatly reduced thermal noise and a slightly cleaner tube sound. The original C9 was designed with a similar NFB circuit.
Classic Sound: The distribution of harmonic distortion and the sound signature exhibit a classic vacuum tube amplification circuit, with relatively more thermal noise and a richer vacuum tube presentation. The N8 DAP was designed with a similar NFB circuit.
Solid State: A discrete timbre circuit with four Toshiba 2SK209 JFET transistors in a single-ended Class A source follower circuit. A clear, smooth, and fatigue-free audio output with no harshness.

Cayin introduces a new feature Anode” to C9ii. The High/Low adjustable anode (plate) voltage further enriches and refines the range of vacuum tube timbre. The working principle is that applying different operating voltages to the vacuum tube's plate alters its operating state, ultimately affecting the sound signature of the timbre circuit.

The “Anode” plate voltage adjustment does not affect the solid-state timbre. Thus, in terms of choice of timbre, the C9ii offers four vacuum tube timbre options and one solid-state timbre, for a total of five variations. In contrast, the original C9 only offers two timbre options.
  1. Classic + Anode (H)
  2. Classic + Anode (L)
  3. Modern + Anode (H)
  4. Modern + Anode (L)
  5. Solid State sound
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Fully Discrete, Fully Symmetric Differential Headphone Amplifier

Cayin has designed a three-stage amplification circuit to embrace the fully symmetric design into C9ii:
  • Stage One: Symmetric JFET Common-source Differential input amplifier.
  • Stage Two: Symmetric BJT Common-emitter Push-Pull Differential Voltage Amplifier.
  • Stage Three: Symmetric BJT Common-collector Push-Pull Parallel Current
From a user perspective, the C9ii offers a stronger load-driving capability and a more transparent sound presentation when compared to the first-generation C9

To further explore the discrete headphone amplification circuit, we have introduced the Hyper Mode on top of the regular Class A and Class AB options of the renowned DAO (Dual Amplifier Operation. The Hyper mode delivers the ultimate performance of the discrete amplification circuit in the C9ii at the expense of a shorter battery duration and and operates at a higher temperature.

A new NFB (Negative Feedback) feature is added to C9ii. This feature applies to the three-stage headphone amplification circuit mentioned above. When NFB is set to OFF, the headphone amplification circuit will be regulated by large-loop cross-stage negative feedback. When NFB is set to the ON position, the headphone amplification circuit will be regulated by local negative feedback

The effect of NFB is fairly noticeable. In our opinion, there is no right or wrong in NFB adjustment, it's a matter of personal preference, and adjustable NFB will allow the user to pick their preference on the go.

The C9 is comprehensive and innovative, these are some of the highlights:
  • A fully balanced, fully discrete, feature-packed, 4-channel high-fidelity headphone amplifier delivers up to 4,100 mW per channel at 16Ω loading and 2600 mW per channel at 32Ω loading.
  • Gen5 Nutube 6P1 Vacuum Tube Audio Circuit facilitated dual tube timbres (Classic Tube and Modern Tube) and Solid State timber on both balanced and single-end inputs.
  • The Vacuum tube timber circuit is designed around a matched pair of KORG Nutube 6P1 miniature, low-power dual Directly Heated Triode (DHT) vacuum tubes.
  • Adjust ANODE (plate) voltage (High/Low) of the Nutube to enrich and refine the range of the vacuum tube timbre in C9ii
  • Three-stage fully symmetric differential headphone amplifier contributes to higher audio fidelity by reducing distortion, enhancing dynamic range, increasing channel separation, and providing a stable and consistent performance.
  • Dual Amplification Operation (DAO): allows users to switch between Pure Class A and Class AB amplification modes.
  • Hyper Amplification delivers the ultimate performance of the discrete amplification circuit in the C9ii
  • NFB (Negative Feedback) Control to select between large-loop cross-stage NFB or local NFB applied to the three-stage headphone amplification circuit.
  • Supports 3.5mm single-ended and 4.4mm balanced for both input and output, the amplifier will convert Single-ended input to Balanced audio signal before feeding through the differentiated amplification circuit.
  • Dual input mode: on top of regular LINE input mode, C9ii can also operate in PRE-amp input mode (known as pure power amplifier mode) that can work with source devices with volume control.
  • Employs a highly linear volume control system that is composed of a 4-channel ALPS potentiometer with a pair of MUSES72320 low noise, low distortion resistance ladder-based stereo electronic volume.
  • Removable battery module that houses 4x Samsung 35E 3400mAH rechargeable lithium batteries. Users can acquire and replace the batteries conveniently to extend the battery duration when needed.

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Aug 1, 2024 at 8:23 AM Post #2 of 200
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Aug 1, 2024 at 8:23 AM Post #3 of 200
When Cayin launched the 30th Anniversary DAP N30LE, one frequently asked question was whether the Gen3 Nutube vacuum tube circuit would be passed down to C9. I am excited to tell you that the wait is over, .... almost over. :wink:

Cayin will demo an engineering prototype of C9ii in the Hong Kong High-end Audio & Visual Show (9-11 August 2024) next week. We shall collect feedback from dealers and visitors during the show, and fine-tune the amplifier before we start trial production. We don't have a mass production or official availability date until we finalize the product design. With TOTL products, we always give ample time to our R&D to improve their design before we launch the product. For the same reason, I don't have any specifications or even output power of C9ii right now. Still, the Engineers tell me briefly that increasing the output power is not an agenda they have considered when they develop C9ii.

If you look into the pictures closely, you probably noticed several new "features" in C9ii, I'll try my best to gather more information on these new features and provide a quick explanation after I get my hands on the C9ii engineering sample at the Hong Kong AV Show. Yes, these are the first hand-build engineering samples and I haven't had the chance to try it out myself, so I am looking forward to the C9ii debut as much as you.

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Aug 1, 2024 at 9:36 AM Post #4 of 200
Cannot wait to pre-order .... (and/or review when that would be an option Andy :xf_cool: )
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 9:39 AM Post #5 of 200
Andy, when I look at the Timbre selector, it shows 3 positions. Would that by any chance be some form of hybrid opamp-tube mode?
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 9:54 AM Post #6 of 200
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Aug 1, 2024 at 12:55 PM Post #7 of 200
Andy, when I look at the Timbre selector, it shows 3 positions. Would that by any chance be some form of hybrid opamp-tube mode?

The timbre selector labels are M, C, and SS, maybe Modern, Classic, and Solid-state is a good match for that. :wink:
 
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Aug 1, 2024 at 12:59 PM Post #8 of 200
The timbre selector labels are M, C, and SS, maybe Modern, Classic, and Solid-state is a good match for that. :wink:
Ah .. The coin dropped ... This was carried over from the N30LE ... I should have known :)
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 6:03 PM Post #10 of 200
Aug 1, 2024 at 6:43 PM Post #11 of 200
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When Cayin launched the 30th Anniversary DAP N30LE, one frequently asked question was whether the Gen3 Nutube vacuum tube circuit would be passed down to C9. I am excited to tell you that the wait is over, .... almost over. :wink:

Cayin will demo an engineering prototype of C9ii in the Hong Kong High-end Audio & Visual Show (9-11 August 2024) next week. We shall collect feedback from dealers and visitors during the show, and fine-tune the amplifier before we start trial production. We don't have a mass production or official availability date until we finalize the product design. With TOTL products, we always give ample time to our R&D to improve their design before we launch the product. For the same reason, I don't have any specifications or even output power of C9ii right now. Still, the Engineers tell me briefly that increasing the output power is not an agenda they have considered when they develop C9ii.

If you look into the pictures closely, you probably noticed several new "features" in C9ii, I'll try my best to gather more information on these new features and provide a quick explanation after I get my hands on the C9ii engineering sample at the Hong Kong AV Show. Yes, these are the first hand-build engineering sample and I haven't had the chance to try it out myself, so I am looking forward to the C9ii debut as much as you.

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Just make it less hot lol… and don’t glue the battery “box” to the case - the one I purchased I had to pry open to replace the batteries. Other than that, perfect!!
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 7:38 PM Post #12 of 200
glue the battery “box” to the case? The C9 is designed to hold the battery tray with two screws, one at each side, w3e don't use glue with the battery tray or the C9 chassis, I would be interested to find out what happened to your unit.
 
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Aug 1, 2024 at 7:46 PM Post #13 of 200
glue the battery “box” to the case? The C9 is designed to hold the battery tray with two screws, one at each side, w3e don't use glue with the battery tray or the C9 chassis, I would be interested to find out what happened to your unit.
Bought from official dealer. New. I got an extra battery set + charger. I wanted to charge both batteries once and I tried to open it. It was stuck as stuck can be. I ended up wiggling and prying for a few days (carefully) and once I finally got it open - the old tray was just too damaged. But I found glue which had been used to hold it in place. I couldn’t for the likes of me understand why it was so hard to open and once I’d started I would have an uphill battle with the warranty anyway as there’s marks after the screwdriver etc to get it loose/out. But I never made a number out of it. I lost $100 or so on the extra battery charger set, but I have extra batteries I’ll probably use at some point. But it was strange.
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 8:06 PM Post #14 of 200
Bought from official dealer. New. I got an extra battery set + charger. I wanted to charge both batteries once and I tried to open it. It was stuck as stuck can be. I ended up wiggling and prying for a few days (carefully) and once I finally got it open - the old tray was just too damaged. But I found glue which had been used to hold it in place. I couldn’t for the likes of me understand why it was so hard to open and once I’d started I would have an uphill battle with the warranty anyway as there’s marks after the screwdriver etc to get it loose/out. But I never made a number out of it. I lost $100 or so on the extra battery charger set, but I have extra batteries I’ll probably use at some point. But it was strange.

That is extremely weird and unacceptable to Cayin.

This is not how we deliver the C9 to our customers, something is seriously wrong with your unit. I suggest you check with other C9 users (in the C9 main thread) to confirm my explanation.
 
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Aug 1, 2024 at 8:51 PM Post #15 of 200
That is extremely weird and unacceptable to Cayin.

This is not how we deliver the C9 to our customers, something is seriously wrong with your unit. I suggest you check with other C9 users (in the C9 main thread) to confirm my explanation.
I am sure it’s unique, but as I said once I went down the path I did - I knew that it was on me. Not like I can prove anything or get my money back at this point. I didn’t want to send it in and wait weeks just to open it up - I knew I could open it - just needed a lot of hard work lol — and it’s been working fine. I get what you’re saying and I appreciate it. But there’s nothing you nor I can do about it now…
 

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