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Nov 18, 2016 at 8:00 AM Post #1,171 of 5,394
  Does anyone know whether Spinfit CP100 fits this IEM?  How can I know which tips will fit generally?

 
If CP-100 are the smaller bore size of their two versions, then I can confirm they fit. Spinfit cores are pretty elastic anyway so they normally fit on most gear with enough work!
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The Spinfits are sort of numbered weird - the CP100 is actually the bigger bore (4mm) - they should be the right size for the CA's. The CP800 is listed as 2mm, although honestly they may be even smaller (they fit fine on my Etymotics, which I think are T100s). I have a pack of both sizes in front of me w/ the sizing on the back, btw.
 
Winty, for your original question, while you might be able to find mm measurements, you can to some degree compare to Comply's sizing - they have a picker/chart on their website going from T100 to T500 (smallest to largest), although there's usually some play w/ the core (they're typically made of a hard rubber). It can be a bit frustrating that manufacturers aren't clearer/more upfront about bore sizes (both on the tip and the earphone sides), but if you're looking for a specific IEM you can usually just ask in some forums/chat, and if you have a lot of IEMs, you'll just end up picking through a big pile finding a size that will fit and the actual sizing numbers tends to be the least of your worries. :)
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 8:15 AM Post #1,172 of 5,394
   
 
The Spinfits are sort of numbered weird - the CP100 is actually the bigger bore (4mm) - they should be the right size for the CA's. The CP800 is listed as 2mm, although honestly they may be even smaller (they fit fine on my Etymotics, which I think are T100s). I have a pack of both sizes in front of me w/ the sizing on the back, btw.
 
Winty, for your original question, while you might be able to find mm measurements, you can to some degree compare to Comply's sizing - they have a picker/chart on their website going from T100 to T500 (smallest to largest), although there's usually some play w/ the core (they're typically made of a hard rubber). It can be a bit frustrating that manufacturers aren't clearer/more upfront about bore sizes (both on the tip and the earphone sides), but if you're looking for a specific IEM you can usually just ask in some forums/chat, and if you have a lot of IEMs, you'll just end up picking through a big pile finding a size that will fit and the actual sizing numbers tends to be the least of your worries. :)

Very useful posts for me, thanks both of you.
 
So I've used the Comply T400 OK on the Vega, so does that imply 4 mm and therefore CP100 is OK?
 
I know this is head-fi, but I'm hoping not to amass a huge pile of IEMs :)  I've managed to keep one at the time on the go for the last 20 or so years I've been using them.  The Vegas are great, by the way.
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 9:06 AM Post #1,174 of 5,394
I've been flicking between the Lyra II and the Vega over the last 48 hours and while the Vega is a more technically impressive IEM, there is something about the tuning of the Lyra II that just sounds fantastic with vocals and guitar based rock songs. It's smooth and just marm enough to feel musical without getting too overcooked in any area, and the treble is clean and clear but not emphasised - it actually reminds me of the sort of signature the Audioquest Nighthawk achieved. Great sounding IEM - not surprised the Vega is grabbing all the headlines, but the Lyra II are definitely worthy of being talked about in the upper tier bracket as well.

Edit - should add that the above is just my opinion, and also I would add that the difference in detailing and separation between the two models is definitely more in the "diminishing returns" bracket rather than the "night and day" bracket for me and my source gear, at least.
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 10:10 AM Post #1,175 of 5,394

My review is up here:

http://www.head-fi.org/products/campfire-audio-lyra-ii/reviews/17341
 
enjoy
 
regards
expat

 

Campfire Audio Lyra II Review - Expatinjapan

 Head Pie  

Campfire Audio Lyra II with Opus#1 Dap
 
Campfire Audio Lyra II review ​
- expatinjapan​
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Please also see the earlier Campfire Audio Dorado review:​
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*Some minimal amount of the content is repeated from the Dorado review.​
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Whats in the box?​
 
 
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As usual Campfire Audio provides a box that is just the right size, no over sized and vacuumed sealed.​
 
 
 
 
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A beautiful black leather case to protect your precious earphones whilst traveling.​
 
 
 
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Each ear piece comes safely wrapped in a small red velvet pouch to prevent scratching whilst in transit​
 
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Every Campfire Audio earphone comes with the excellent Litz cable.​
 
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Specifications
 
 
Lyra II combines a single 8.5mm beryllium PVD dynamic driver and a unique liquid metal alloy housing to effortlessly deliver high fidelity music.
 
– World’s First 8.5mm Beryllium PVD Dynamic Driver
 
– World’s First  Liquid Alloy Metal Earphone Housing
 
– ‘Dusk’ PVD Finish
 
– Premium Litz Wire cable; Silver-plated-Copper Conductors
 
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The bass for the Lyra II hits at around 110.0, the Vega at about 118.5 and the Dorado at around 116.0. 
(Left side of the chart).
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Short impressions
 
I received the Dorado from Ken Ball at the Fujiya Avic headphone show in Tokyo in October, 2016 for review. I had a chance to listen to all new models at the time and listed my short impressions as thus: 






 
(Short time at the show impressions):
 `The Vega, Dorado and Lyra II
The Vega is deep and full sounding. It has excellent clarity and sound stage. The bass hits but is also clean, tight and fast.
The Dorado is deeper, and has a medium v shaped signature. Bouncy and energetic. It has a good weight to the sound. Fun but still CA smooth.
The Lyra II is more flat...in a sense, it has more mids, warm, even and with great instrument separation. Full with an excellent low end.
 
In terms of sound signature to my ears (And Ken confirmed I was pretty much on the Ball - excuse my pun).
Vega = XXX
Dorado = XxX
Lyra = XXx`
 
Of course short impressions at a show or in store can give a hint of what is to come, more is revealed with concentrated and analytical listening and more layers and nuances are discovered.
I did not ask how many hours they had on them. They had stock foam tips fitted.
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What one has to realize with these new earphones that Campfire Audio has released is that they do increase in sound quality by price point.
Each of their sound signature is well designed and incremental, the Dorado whilst definitely a V shaped earphone isnt strictly so in the usual sense, it is more of a flattened V which retains some body and soul of tracks recorded.
And the Lyra II whilst presenting itself as a low and mids focussed earphone certainly doesnt totally lack in the highs department.
 
It isnt extreme tuning at the expense of all else, it is a controlled and measured tuning to present the best that can be reproduce concerning certain traditional choices of sound signatures, being the XxX (Dorado), the XXx (Lyra II) and the XXX of the Vega. No sharp rises or drop offs here.
 
Smooth, measured and timely.
 
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Build
 
The build of all Campfire Audio products is sturdy and strong, from the lithe but able Litz cable to the robust MMCX connectors, the Lyra II is built to last.
The ear pieces being of metal means they will withstand more abuse than the average plastic earphones, thats not to say to be rough with them as the inside drivers are still delicate.
 
 
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A protective metal gauze to prevent earwax getting inside.​
 
 
 
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The Litz cable as I have mentioned several times in other review is a well made, and fabulous sounding cable. Sturdy yet supple. No real need for an upgrade.​
 
 
 
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Fit
 
The fit is identical to the Vega and very similar in foot print to the Dorado (apart from the longer nozzle of the Dorado).
*Please excuse me as I recycle the photo from the Dorado review as I think it illustrates the fit well.
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The shorter nozzle is similar to the BA IEMs of Campfire Audio, you need to have the right tip to get a good seal to maximize the performance of the Lyra II and your enjoyment thereof.​
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Stock foam tips on the left, the Comply Tx-400 I got from the Andromeda/Nova boxes.​
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I settled on the Comply Tx-400 tips for the Lyra II in the end, silicone did the trick with ​
the JVC Spiral tips and also Ortofon.​
But as Ken Ball at Campfire Audio said, foam is best for these earphones.​
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The Litz cable comes with a chin slider to assist for fit if needed.​
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The new Campfire Audio earphones build and shape compared.
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The new line up of Vega (metal/silver color), ​
Dorado (bronze/gold color) and Lyra II (Red brown black color).​
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Campfire Audio Dorado size comparison with CA Andromeda below:​
Foot print is basically the same as the Lyra II except for the longer nozzle.​
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Sound

Testing of the Lyra II was done with a variety of Dap and dac/amps from the Opus#1, Hifiman MegaMini, ipod touch 6G, Shozy Alien Gold, CEntrance DACportable, Hifi-Skyn to the Hifi-M8.

Ipod touch 6G 128GB used Dan Leehrs Flacplayer app.

FLAC used was mainly 16/41 or 16/44.

The Lyra II had a burn in period of around 100 hours before commencing with the review.

In the end I found the Lyra II to be quite resolving and pleasing, but lets enjoy the journey first.
 
Campfire Lyra II with CEntrance DACportable​


As I mentioned at the show after a short audition I decided to describe the Lyra II as having a XXx signature which Ken Ball confirmed.
Show impressions recap: `The Lyra II is more flat...in a sense, it has more mids, warm, even and with great instrument separation. Full with an excellent low end`.

Later after a short amount of burn in (10 hours?), using the Litz cable and supplied foam tips my next impressions found the Lyra to be `a bit dull, perhaps due to lack of highs, not so musical but can get airy and full of space with the track`.
I then departed onto the Dorado review and occasional hits of the CA Vega and left the Lyra II to burn in some more.

Once the Dorado review was complete, I moved onto the Lyra II.

Now the Lyra II had around 100 hours on it.
 
Campfire Audio Lyra II with Opus#1 Dap​


Opus#1 (old Firmware), Comply Tx-400 tips.

LARD and Oasis seemed a bit dark at first listen, perhaps also the shock of coming from the V shaped Dorado, my ears need a bit of adjusting I guess.
Adele sounded great, full, spacious and clear.
A bit surprised at the dark low end after a strict diet of the Dorado V.

As the Vega is to the Andromeda, and the Dorado is to the Jupiter ...the Lyra II is to the  ????

Death in Vegas with Hope Sandoval sounds cool, If but a bit muted.
Less energetic than the Dorado of course, adjusting...

Lyra II with Spiral Tips later that same day

Bass still there although less prominent.
Vocals and treble more forward than before, treble has more of a presence with the silicone than with the foam.
Bass is solid still, just not so `thick`.
I find this combination more listenable and a tad more cleaner.

Opus#1 Dap just got a huge stunning firmware update.

The Dap has better resolution, more airiness and sparkle.
More space and separation between instruments than before.
I see this echoed in the improved performance of the Lyra II also.
I am really enjoying the Lyra II after the Opus update.

The Opus#1 with its latest Lollipop firmware update really shines when paired with the Campfire Audio Lyra II, great detail, the treble comes alive rather than recessed, lower bass is clean, clear and quick without a trace of muddiness, the mids are slightly warm, with a hint of lushness without becoming too enveloping or demanding.
 
Campfire Audio with Shozy Alien Gold Dap​
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The Lyra performs best with a dap etc that has a decent amplifier and a low output impedance to retain its signature and show its true colors. With the Hifiman MegaMini it was impressive at times when I cranked up the volume but the Lyra II desires more power.
 
Back to the Opus#1 with its new firmware.
Really nice body to the music, resolution is beautiful and top notch.
 
On to the CEntrance DACportable, Tx-400 Comply tips, Gain 2.
As usual the CEntrance DACportable with its power amplifier inside and low output impedance gives a realistic picture of what an earphone does and can do.
 
It always seems to come back to that point about signature, in this case the XXx shape.
Within that parameter one might ask `is that it?` Many other earphones have a similar signature. So what makes the Lyra II special, If at all?
 
The Lyra II like all the other Campfire Audio earphones I have listened to is smooth, well detailed and has a decent soundstage.
It has accurate placing of the instruments and a true portrayal of the vocals therein.
 
I can`t technically fault it as such.
It is a high performer worthy of its asking price.
 
I myself prefer a XXX signature, but thats my ears and personal preference.
 
Bass, then vocals, mids and finally highs seems the order of the day when it comes to the Lyra II.
 
But yes, the Lyra II, a clear fantastic sense of space and resolution with a beautiful
timbre within its parameter of XXx.
 
ALO Reference 8 cable, a nice match.​

Value

Coming in at the lower priced end of the latest Campfire Audio line up at US$699, value as always is relative to ones wallet and of course the actual sound quality.
IE value for money, did I get it? Is usually the first wondering after an audio enthusiast parts with their precious money after spending weeks scouring forums trying to find the best bang for their buck that doesn`t break their bank.

Build of course is excellent as is all Campfire Audio products and the sound is stunning, If you like a slightly bassier and warmer XXx signature you`ll love the Lyra II.

I cover the value also in the Overall section.
 
Campfire Audio Vega (same sized housing) with the Hifiman MegaMini​

 
Overall

The Lyra II is a steady performer and as with all the other earphones that come out of Campfire Audios stable it is a picture of quality in build as well as in sound.

With so many Campfire Audio products to choose from now, deciding which one is best for oneself is the first fun stage.
Price and sound signature. Simply once one has decided on a budget then the parameters of what one will purchase grow narrower, from there its simply a choice of sound signature preferable paired with a decent fairly neutral player with a low output impedance.

So where does the Lyra II fit into this, considering the II tacked on to the end of its name we would presume that this is a new improved version of the first Lyra, as I have never heard the Lyra this is my uneducated guess.

Out of the seven earphones Campfire Audio has on offer the Lyra II is the cheapest single driver DD unit, and it is the third placed (above the Orion - single BA unit and the Nova) in price, behind the Jupiter, Dorado, Andromeda and Vega models.

But I digress somewhat. Apologies.

The Lyra II due to its signature of XXx in my view matches well with a neutral to a bright source to really shine.

The Opus#1 with its latest Lollipop firmware update really shines when paired with the Campfire Audio Lyra II, great detail, the treble comes alive rather than recessed, lower bass is clean, clear and quick without a trace of muddiness, the mids are slightly warm, with a hint of lushness without becoming too enveloping or demanding.

As usual I paired the earphones with many different players/source, Dac/amps etc to try to get to the heart of the earphone, its essence; and came away quite pleased with the Lyra II. Having the Vega and the Dorado also in my possession meant I knew on an unconscious level I would probably look down on their cheaper cousin. I went the review route of Dorado>Lyra II> to try to combat this thinking.

The choice still is If you want V excitement then get the Dorado, If you want something a bit warmer and perhaps even laid back get the Lyra II and If you want the whole shebang of fullness, balanced, linear even then get the Vega.

Whilst the Lyra II is no slouch in its overall performance, its focus on the lows and mids might not be for everyones taste. Each to their own.
 
The Lyra II like all the other Campfire Audio earphones I have listened to is smooth, well detailed and has a decent soundstage.​
It has accurate placing of the instruments and a true portrayal of the vocals therein.​
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A winner for fans of the XXx style signature.​
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Thank you to Campfire Audio for sending the Lyra II to Head pie for review​
-expatinjapan​
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Nov 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM Post #1,176 of 5,394
  Does anyone know whether Spinfit CP100 fits this IEM?  How can I know which tips will fit generally?
 
First non-custom IEM for me ever, after Elacin then Ultimate Ears UE10Pro then ACS T1 customs.  I'm finding them very comfortable.

I use the 100s with mine.  Overall, I think they are the best fit/seal for me on the Vegas.  Also use Comply TS 400s, but the Spinfits are a bit easier, and work a tiny bit better for me
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 2:46 PM Post #1,179 of 5,394
I have been tip rolling on the Vegas a bit, I first I settle for the Spiral Dots I like them because they really do the job with wide bore IEM such as the Vega. Not sure about the SpinFits they didn't look as if they're meant to fit such a wide bore but I'll give them a shot.
 
I have reconsidered the Spiral Dots as I have big ear canals and even max size doesn't give me a permanent seal as they did with the (longer bore) U12. Sony hybrids bigger size seal very well I might stick with them. I am not usually very fond of foam, the the bigger Comply T400 are a good fit. 
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 3:04 PM Post #1,180 of 5,394
greetings from a new Vega owner!
after a week of waiting (was outta of stock), kudos to the good fellas from (ConnectIT from Singapore) brought me the Vegas, fresh from the airport customs, awesome service!
 
been more of a speakers person, hence was not very particular on iem except using for commuting purpose. been using Earsonic SM64 for past 2 years as my main phones and have a couple of lower end phones (G07, DBA, DBA2, Eterna etc) for comparisons. occasionally auditioned some TOTLs at local stores. during my vacation in Taipei last month, got 'poisoned'; was introduced to the Andromeda and immediately knew Campfire Audio products are something different. 
 
when i came back, was thinking to settle on the Andromeda until I saw this thread about the Vegas. upon reading Gurashieruro and Jalo impressions on the Vegas, got me very excited. (Vocal expressions and emotions, and violin are not easy to play it right even on speakers or headphones, let alone iem)
went down to E1 and ConnectIT to listen to the Vega, wow the lifelike expressions and energy on the vocal on the Vega is just incredible. perhaps my experience on iems are not extensive as most experienced here, but i've not exactly heard any headphones or iems that can have such lifelike expressions on the vocals and plays so well on guitar/violin pieces. was undecided btw the Andromeda and Vega, initially felt A was the one, but eventually V took control and smoothen out my final decision. I am not a basshead, but prefers lifelike expressions and energy, and I knew Vega was the one.
 
to be fair, Andromeda was awesome (the soundstage, clarity, details, and resolution despite being a BA) when I heard them in Taipei, but Vega was something I was looking for, the life-like expressions, smoothness, resolutions, texture, the bass and coherence, just amazing. don't get me wrong, both were awesome and you will NOT go wrong with either, and if my finances allow, i would have gotten both.
 
burning in the Vega now, just checking what will be the ideal burning hours?
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 3:34 PM Post #1,182 of 5,394
  greetings from a new Vega owner!
after a week of waiting (was outta of stock), kudos to the good fellas from (ConnectIT from Singapore) brought me the Vegas, fresh from the airport customs, awesome service!
 
been more of a speakers person, hence was not very particular on iem except using for commuting purpose. been using Earsonic SM64 for past 2 years as my main phones and have a couple of lower end phones (G07, DBA, DBA2, Eterna etc) for comparisons. occasionally auditioned some TOTLs at local stores. during my vacation in Taipei last month, got 'poisoned'; was introduced to the Andromeda and immediately knew Campfire Audio products are something different. 
 
when i came back, was thinking to settle on the Andromeda until I saw this thread about the Vegas. upon reading Gurashieruro and Jalo impressions on the Vegas, got me very excited. (Vocal expressions and emotions, and violin are not easy to play it right even on speakers or headphones, let alone iem)
went down to E1 and ConnectIT to listen to the Vega, wow the lifelike expressions and energy on the vocal on the Vega is just incredible. perhaps my experience on iems are not extensive as most experienced here, but i've not exactly heard any headphones or iems that can have such lifelike expressions on the vocals and plays so well on guitar/violin pieces. was undecided btw the Andromeda and Vega, initially felt A was the one, but eventually V took control and smoothen out my final decision. I am not a basshead, but prefers lifelike expressions and energy, and I knew Vega was the one.
 
to be fair, Andromeda was awesome (the soundstage, clarity, details, and resolution despite being a BA) when I heard them in Taipei, but Vega was something I was looking for, the life-like expressions, smoothness, resolutions, texture, the bass and coherence, just amazing. don't get me wrong, both were awesome and you will NOT go wrong with either, and if my finances allow, i would have gotten both.
 
burning in the Vega now, just checking what will be the ideal burning hours?

Thanks for the mention mate! The Vega was the exact reason why I sold my Jupiter. Its not to say the Jupiter was bad or only decent, because they were amazing, but the Vega has that texture in music that I seem to only get when I play my violin or go to a concert. Of course, this fact is really apparent with live recordings or really well mastered studio recordings. The sound is amazing and I'm glad I could sway you to get the Vega. Honestly, both the Andro and Vega are possibly one of the nicest and part of the top IEMs on the market, IMO.
Currently, I use Comply foam tips since silicone tips make my ears itch after about an hour or so. I think moisture gets trapped and thus creates the itch or something. Everyone seems to say that burn in time is roughly at least 100 hours. But some go further. I normally burn at a low volume at the start and get louder to my normal listening volume as the hours move past. But since I'm already past the 100 hours, I don't worry about burn in or any of that stuff.
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 3:35 PM Post #1,183 of 5,394
  greetings from a new Vega owner!
after a week of waiting (was outta of stock), kudos to the good fellas from (ConnectIT from Singapore) brought me the Vegas, fresh from the airport customs, awesome service!
 
been more of a speakers person, hence was not very particular on iem except using for commuting purpose. been using Earsonic SM64 for past 2 years as my main phones and have a couple of lower end phones (G07, DBA, DBA2, Eterna etc) for comparisons. occasionally auditioned some TOTLs at local stores. during my vacation in Taipei last month, got 'poisoned'; was introduced to the Andromeda and immediately knew Campfire Audio products are something different. 
 
when i came back, was thinking to settle on the Andromeda until I saw this thread about the Vegas. upon reading Gurashieruro and Jalo impressions on the Vegas, got me very excited. (Vocal expressions and emotions, and violin are not easy to play it right even on speakers or headphones, let alone iem)
went down to E1 and ConnectIT to listen to the Vega, wow the lifelike expressions and energy on the vocal on the Vega is just incredible. perhaps my experience on iems are not extensive as most experienced here, but i've not exactly heard any headphones or iems that can have such lifelike expressions on the vocals and plays so well on guitar/violin pieces. was undecided btw the Andromeda and Vega, initially felt A was the one, but eventually V took control and smoothen out my final decision. I am not a basshead, but prefers lifelike expressions and energy, and I knew Vega was the one.
 
to be fair, Andromeda was awesome (the soundstage, clarity, details, and resolution despite being a BA) when I heard them in Taipei, but Vega was something I was looking for, the life-like expressions, smoothness, resolutions, texture, the bass and coherence, just amazing. don't get me wrong, both were awesome and you will NOT go wrong with either, and if my finances allow, i would have gotten both.
 
burning in the Vega now, just checking what will be the ideal burning hours?

Thank you my friend you have chosen wisely.  I think what the Vega was able to accomplish is much harder to duplicate by other iems.  Burn 72 hours straight and you be on your way.
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 5:41 PM Post #1,184 of 5,394
I've just begun listening to the Vega (thanks to an awesome head-fi'er). I really like the moving-air thrum it gives to the bass, and really every part of the range.
 

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