Campfire Audio - Introducing 2 new models Hello Andromeda and Nova

[blazinblazin]

Can you post an image of the symbio tips next to the stock silicone tips? I'd like to see the differences in the bore sizing.

All M size

Middle is default Silicon tips
Top is Symbio Normal
Bottom Symbio W
Left is Star tips
Right is Spiral Dots

 

[goodvibes]

Stock foams sound great to me.

 

[SilverEars]

All M size

Middle is default Silicon tips
Top is Symbio Normal
Bottom Symbio W
Left is Star tips
Right is Spiral Dots

Thanks, looks like Normal is about the same bore size as the Star tips. Does the Symbio W sound better or the Normal? W is slight wider, but not as wide as the stock silicones.

Large star tips fit me, does that mean I should get the large Symbio as well?

Does it fall off easily like the star tips or stays on the Andro when pulling it off your ear?

 

[blazinblazin]

Thanks, that looks like Normal is about the same bore size as the Star tips. Does the Symbio W sound better or the Normal? W is slight wider, but not as wide as the stock silicones.

Large star tips fit me, does that mean I should get the large Symbio as well?

Does it fall off easily like the star tips or stays on the Andro when pulling it off your ear?

Normal gives a more concentrated/focus sound.
W give a wide, open sound.

Better if you get the 3 size pack to try.
Their size are a bit different due to the foam underneath.

So far they are quite secure.

 

[hamhamhamsta]

I recently got the Spiral Dots, and I got to say, I like the slot for the iem sound tubing notch that keeps the tips in place. Although the fit is perfect with the ML size, the sound is pretty much the same as the silicon wide bore tips that comes with the iems that is more flabby in material than stiffer Spiral Dots silicones. What I've been using the whole time that sounded great to me was the KZ KS5 large star tips. They have a narrower bore than the Spiral Dots, but doesn't cover up the 3 sound outlets.



Spiral Dots on Left, and KZ ZS5 star tips on right for comparison(notice the bore size differences). Although the ZS5 star tips sound better to me, the problem it, it doesn't have notches to keep the tips in place when pulling out the iems. It's quite annoying having to pull the tips out of my ears every time. The widest bore does sound brighter in the lower treble area, and the star tips just sounds better, and I think it's the ideal bore diameter for non-narrow bore iems in general.

Silverear,

Have you tried using Symbio Mandarin ear tips? Blazin is right. Mandarin tips is the best tips there is. I tried all types of tips. They have their own strengths but horrible weakness. JVC tips are very dark sounding. Bass is good, but sometimes it feels treble is absorbed by the tips. Spinfits is the opposite, it extends the treble, but absorbs all the bass. Try Mandarin, it's excellent with Andromeda. I think it spits out everything the DAP puts out. Also, use Alo Ref8 with Andromeda. It's a very good match musically.

Hamhamhamsta

 

[SilverEars]

If anybody doesn't use Symbio W and Normal Large size(or have a spare they can let go), can I purchase from one of you's? I'm in the US. Send me a PM. I have no idea which would be ideal for me(W or Normal). Star tips is about the same bore sizing as the Normal Symbio, but I got a feeling that the W maybe even better.

 

[hamhamhamsta]

Stock foams sound great to me.

Mandarin tips is basically stock foam original tips, but performs at higher level and without 2 to 3 weeks disintegration. Sound quality is very stable.

 

[Gavin C4]

After much more listening on the DP-S1, I sold my SE846 as the Andro is able to replace its job. The Andro using 3.5 has a warmer signature bass just as good as the SE846 or even better, whereas on the 2.5 balanced the Andro is thinner, with more treble extension and more sparkle up top. This combination is literally like an analog switch on earphones like VE6XC. The Andro became so much more versatile with DAPs that provides 3.5 and 2.5 (4.4) balanced, such as DP-S1 X1 X1A, AK's DAP or Sony wm1a/z. But pairing is also very important, as the 2.5mm on the DP-X1 is too thin for my preference.

 

[goodvibes]

Mandarin tips is basically stock foam original tips, but performs at higher level and without 2 to 3 weeks disintegration. Sound quality is very stable.

I know what they are, The stock foams perform and hold up great for me. Mandarins are silicone tips with foam type isolation. Their sonic performance is no better or worse beyond preference. interface and fit.

 

[SilverEars]

I know what they are, The stock foams perform and hold up great for me. Mandarins are silicone tips with foam type isolation. Their sonic performance is no better or worse beyond preference. interface and fit.

Manderines are similar to the hybrid tips Sony put out with the EX-1000 few years back. I loved how Sony provide such wide varieties of sizes, and wish all iems producers do the same.

Silicone surface on the outer area with filled foam material under to resist deformation of the silicone material, in which keeps the tips in better shape, and therefore better fit(therefore better bass response). Personally, I don't think the foam for the Sony hybrids were necessary as the silicones were thicker and therefore less malleable.

See the 3 sets of tips on the right.

 

[SilverEars]

I would also like to see wide varies of bore sizing in combination of wider spectrum of sizing of the tips.

Similar to the above Sony presentation, but with a square matrix of tips with various bore sizing going downwards. Moor precision.

 

[blazinblazin]

Fischer Audio TBA-04 is exactly like the Sony tips with foam underneath.

But one thing is the bore size for the sound to come out of these 2 tips are quite small.

 

[SilverEars]

Stock foams sound great to me.

I do like the complies due to the narrower bore sizing(which it's about the sweet spot like the Symbio and the KZ star tips) and also it does dampen the shrieky part of the treble if it's in the recording. Due to the material you get a different type bass response than the silicones.

With the stock widest bore, the sound isn't concentrated enough and typically widest bore makes things sound congested and out there. Not focused and sound stage doesn't seem right(or even call it a stage as it doesn't feel focused).

You want the bore size to be just about the right diameter to hit the sweet spot. Spin fits are too narrow. Too narrow makes it sound thin and tunneling.

I don't usually like the bass response of the complies, much prefer the silicone material for the bass response. The bass sounds more toned down, and therefore more neutral with the complies.

I think with the silicones you more of a sparkle.

 

[goodvibes]

Mine are recent and I don't think the installed foamies are Comply. They seem less porous and the bore is more open than the spinfits. Doesn't absorb energy like Complys. It's why I call them stock foam instead of Comply.

 

[SilverEars]

Mine were recent as well and are definately complies.

What I would refer to foams are these that comes with ER4. To keep from generalizations calling everything foam, and to be specific to what we are referring to, complies and foams should be distinguished.