[H20Fidelity]

ROTL! H20, even the most excellent recording and mastering is not going to revive Guigui after it has been butchered...

 
I can see it already, Kiats.
 
A film clip of yourself in the recording studio, wearing Ref.1 Too as studio monitors performing Guigui.
 
Some side scenes of sprks cruising past the camera in his little Tralucent car.
 
We could create the ideal Tralucent commercial. 

 

 

[Kiats]

I can see it already, Kiats.

A film clip of yourself in the recording studio, wearing Ref.1 Too as studio monitors performing Guigui.

Some side scenes of sprks cruising past the camera in his little Tralucent car.

We could create the ideal Tralucent commercial.   

 

[Sound Eq]

interested as its been recommended by my friend, so I have some reading to do

 

[warrior1975]

Enjoy the read bro!! Which friend recommended these? must be a great guy, very intelligent, and probably extremely handsome too.

 

[Sound Eq]

Enjoy the read bro!! Which friend recommended these?

must be a great guy, very intelligent, and probably extremely handsome too.

and who else man 
 
his user name starts with warrior1975

 

[warrior1975]

Lol, good guy, told you that.

 

[H20Fidelity]

  interested as its been recommended by my friend, so I have some reading to do

 
If you own Mojo the sub-bass on these Ref.1 models is particularly deep. 
 
Its starts with pressure building up inside your head, as the bass extends it begins reaching down your throat. I don't understand how its even possible considering the sound waves only hit our eardrums but you actually 'feel' the bass in these areas. That's not an exaggeration.

 

[spkrs01]

   
If you own Mojo the sub-bass on these Ref.1 models is particularly deep. 
 
Its starts with pressure building up inside your head, as the bass extends it begins reaching down your throat. I don't understand how its even possible considering the sound waves only hit our eardrums but you actually 'feel' the bass in these areas. That's not an exaggeration.

 
Ok, I have given this a lot of thought before, and here is my conclusion as to why:-
 
I believe that one has to be exposed to the feel of real bass... No point in saying I can hear a 20Hz note, because a 20 Hz note is actually 50 feet long note and you feel the visceral impact as opposed to hearing it.
 
Here's the rub, when a bass note or series of notes in an iem or a pair of cans, sound so realistic and true to life, there is only one thing that your body does, and through memory retention it prepares itself for the visceral onslaught of bass!!!
 
I hope the above helps in some way alleviating the notion as to why our body creates these sensations... 

 

[H20Fidelity]

   
Ok, I have given this a lot of thought before, and here is my conclusion as to why:-
 
I believe that one has to be exposed to the feel of real bass... No point in saying I can hear a 20Hz note, because a 20 Hz note is actually 50 feet long note and you feel the visceral impact as opposed to hearing it.
 
Here's the rub, when a bass note or series of notes in an iem or a pair of cans, sound so realistic and true to life, there is only one thing that your body does, and through memory retention it prepares itself for the visceral onslaught of bass!!!
 
I hope the above helps in some way alleviating the notion as to why our body creates these sensations... 

 
You think its some kind of flashback spkrs, the body reacting how it remembers the situation.
 
Not a bad theory! My thoughts are some form of psychoacoustics similar to how we decipher soundstage width and depth.

 

[spkrs01]

   
You think its some kind of flashback spkrs, the body reacting how it remembers the situation.
 
Not a bad theory! My thoughts are some form of psychoacoustics similar to how we decipher soundstage width and depth.

 
Well, soundstage is pretty easy to explain............
 
As long as the signal is pure throughout the chain, there is soundstage. There has to be as you are hearing the reverse of how the music was captured by the microphone............and since the 80s engineers have created the pseudo soundstage....the singer, two guitarists left and right slight behind, then the keyboard to one side further back and the drums at the back..........
 
Best to test soundstage is with a mono recording and how a single microphone can capture so much.

 

[warrior1975]

All of this bass talk is getting me excited!!

 

[H20Fidelity]

@warrior1975 
 
Please tell us you now have your Ref.1 Too? Feels like we've been waiting almost 2-months now. 
 
After spending several days with Spiral Dot tips I just can't shake some form of treble spike it causes with the original Ref.1 and my ear canals. I liked pretty much everything about the sound but it got to a point I was questioning Ref.1's performance and wasn't enjoying them as much. Spiral Dots are not for me which is a shame because the black housing / black tips on the white Toxic Cable looked awesome.
 
So obviously I went back the tips I'd always used which are the Heir tips or red core tips we know about.What's interesting is I have quite a few sets of these brand new ready for action. On inspecting them a few sets appear to have a slightly different texture on the walls, I was pinching the tips between my fingers comparing, some of them are actually a little thicker, probably a slight batch difference or tolerance variation. I have put one of the slightly thicker pairs in which I believe has changed the sound/seal once again.
 
Its a good sound, how I've always heard and enjoyed my Ref.1. (and no more treble spike)
 

 

[spkrs01]

  @warrior1975 
 
Please tell us you now have your Ref.1 Too? Feels like we've been waiting almost 2-months now. 
 

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

After spending several days with Spiral Dot tips I just can't shake some form of treble spike it causes with the original Ref.1 and my ear canals. I liked pretty much everything about the sound but it got to a point I was questioning Ref.1's performance and wasn't enjoying them as much. Spiral Dots are not for me which is a shame because the black housing / black tips on the white Toxic Cable looked awesome.
 
So obviously I went back the tips I'd always used which are the Heir tips or red core tips we know about.What's interesting is I have quite a few sets of these brand new ready for action. On inspecting them a few sets appear to have a slightly different texture on the walls, I was pinching the tips between my fingers comparing, some of them are actually a little thicker, probably a slight batch difference or tolerance variation. I have put one of the slightly thicker pairs in which I believe has changed the sound/seal once again.
 
Its a good sound, how I've always heard and enjoyed my Ref.1. (and no more treble spike)
 

 

 
He does not, yet! They have been delayed a week.
 
And my apologies to @warrior1975. However, I will be shipping them out to him before flying to Tokyo on Wednesday...

 

[Wyd4]

@warrior1975
 

Please tell us you now have your Ref.1 Too? Feels like we've been waiting almost 2-months now. 

After spending several days with Spiral Dot tips I just can't shake some form of treble spike it causes with the original Ref.1 and my ear canals. I liked pretty much everything about the sound but it got to a point I was questioning Ref.1's performance and wasn't enjoying them as much. Spiral Dots are not for me which is a shame because the black housing / black tips on the white Toxic Cable looked awesome.

So obviously I went back the tips I'd always used which are the Heir tips or red core tips we know about.What's interesting is I have quite a few sets of these brand new ready for action. On inspecting them a few sets appear to have a slightly different texture on the walls, I was pinching the tips between my fingers comparing, some of them are actually a little thicker, probably a slight batch difference or tolerance variation. I have put one of the slightly thicker pairs in which I believe has changed the sound/seal once again.

Its a good sound, how I've always heard and enjoyed my Ref.1. (and no more treble spike)

I had the exact same experience with the spinfits. And The spiral dots I couldn't get a nice fit. I loved the spiral dots with my asg2.5 however.

My favourite tip was the ones that come with my mentors. However they fit shallow and insecure so static listening only.

When moving I found the best bet to be the ortofons.

 

[Sound Eq]

   
He does not, yet! They have been delayed a week.
 
And my apologies to @warrior1975. However, I will be shipping them out to him before flying to Tokyo on Wednesday...

so i guess i can ask here for a basshead which one is the one to go for the ref1 or 5plus