Slaphead
500+ Head-Fier
The safest way to update firmware is don't.
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If it ain't broke don't fix it.
The safest way to update firmware is don't.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Agree! My Bose QC35 "broke" after the update so that's why I bought the P7 today. It's sounds better and the passive NC is amazing.
i am curious how p7 wireless compare to the new v moda one
i am in search for used p7 w pads to mod them as original pads are a bit uncomfortable
otherwise p7 w sounds amazing
on the other hand, does sony 1000x have a controlled bass and does it reach same loud level as p7w
Actually he is right in saying passive noise cancellation, since it is only depending on the earcups and pads to reduce outside noise(hence passive). Whereas active noise cancellation is what you are thinking of(1000x, QC35, PXC 550, etc), where the headphone produces a second sound signal(hence active) to "cancel" or counter the unwanted sound signals from outside world.Just a tiny correction - you mean Noise Isolation. Noise Cancelling is the active type
Actually he is right in saying passive noise cancellation, since it is only depending on the earcups and pads to reduce outside noise(hence passive). Whereas active noise cancellation is what you are thinking of(1000x, QC35, PXC 550, etc), where the headphone produces a second sound signal(hence active) to "cancel" or counter the unwanted sound signals from outside world.
http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/What-is-passive-noise-cancellation
Personally I'd argue that blocking the sound, which is what isolation does, is quite a bit different to cancelling the sound where an opposite waveform of the noise is produced in such a way that when you sum them you ideally get zero.
But hey ho - Passive Noise Cancellation is used in headphone marketing literature - somewhat erroneously IMO,
I definitely remember when reading about Noise Cancellation on an audiphile site that they separated it from the passive kind by calling it Cancellation vs Isolation. As Cancellation is an active action depending on some electronics, microphones, etc, and Isolation is what the P7 and all other closed back headphones do (to a degree or another), meaning use their construction and padding to Isolate you from the sound, although of course the results can't be compared to Noise Cancellation.
Well, I said he is right when I should have probably said that he is not wrong to use the term passive noise cancellation since, as mentioned, I have seen more than one user/site use passive noise cancellation headphones when referring to headphones without ANC. That said, I do agree that the proper term should be noise isolation but I don't think there is anything confusing when the term "passive noise cancellation" is used either, so... yeah.
Anyway, back on topic, despite my misgivings on the 1000x(see my previous post a few pages back), amazon.de's price drop make them attractive enough(got them for about 299euro thanks to a user who shared the deal on the 1000x thread) to buy one to test under my normal usage scenario instead of in a shop. I just received them and first impression is its ANC is miles ahead of the B&O H9 that I also own, and while I agree the P7 Wireless does a good job blocking out much of the outside noise(to my ears it is only slightly worse than the H9) it still doesn't compare to a proper ANC headphone. I still think the sound quality of the H9/P7 Wireless is better, maybe it is just a matter of getting to know it more, will test them more over the weeks. Weirdly though, and I don't know why, I do find the pair I received sounding better than the others that I tried at other shops - and I have tried a few at multiple locations. As for loudness, I don't think the Sony goes as loud as the P7. I am listening to maybe 40% volume on my iPhone 7 via bluetooth with the P7 Wireless while on the 1000x I am listening to maybe around 50-60%, but that should be plenty loud for most users, I cannot imagine listening to them on max volume!