Oct 5, 2024 at 9:22 PM Post #3,676 of 3,791
the last one is the eletech baroque M. I tried it, but when I put it in my ear, I can feel that it is not the ideal shape. Rather, the eartips of that shape fit better than the w1, xelastec, s&s. Now that I think about it, these three are all different shapes... Who understands this...I've had enough...

Unfortunately, beyond immediate comparisons of physical dimensions and very generalised comments you really are on your own here.

Perhaps IEM are simply not for you if you can’t get them figured out to your satisfaction and within a listening session duration that suits and really have had enough.

I feel your frustration though, I have worked through similar scenarios a couple of times and have dozens of tips to show for it. It is perhaps telling that I no longer own either of the most problematic IEM.
 
Oct 5, 2024 at 9:26 PM Post #3,677 of 3,791
Indeed I did, hopefully someone who is familiar with them can help.

Can you measure the nozzle diameter at the very end ? That would give a starting point at least in respect of whether they are atypical, in images they certainly don’t look slim.

They are very expensive IEM so providing alternatives perhaps seems unhelpful if you are sufficiently involved to have invested that much into IEM already.
Its 5.9mm from the back stop to the tip of the stem as you see in the picture.
 

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Oct 5, 2024 at 9:36 PM Post #3,678 of 3,791
Unfortunately, beyond immediate comparisons of physical dimensions and very generalised comments you really are on your own here.

Perhaps IEM are simply not for you if you can’t get them figured out to your satisfaction and within a listening session duration that suits and really have had enough.

I feel your frustration though, I have worked through similar scenarios a couple of times and have dozens of tips to show for it. It is perhaps telling that I no longer own either of the most problematic IEM.
Of course I'm disappointed, it's like driving a Ferrari and the person sitting next to you pulling the handbrake every five seconds. You really want to use it, but there's something about it.
 
Oct 5, 2024 at 10:07 PM Post #3,679 of 3,791
Of course I'm disappointed, it's like driving a Ferrari and the person sitting next to you pulling the handbrake every five seconds. You really want to use it, but there's something about it.

Understand completely.

5.9mm isn’t especially big, the ones that cause me issues with certain tips are 6.8mm but I need large tips anyway. It is not small however.

0.9mm difference is very likely to be much less than the difference between peoples ear canal diameter so 6.8mm is very likely to be less of a problem for me than 5.9mm is for you. So while 5.9mm isn’t huge it also isn’t so small and could easily be your problem, especially if the nozzle length and IEM shape versus outer ear shape encourage deep insertion into the narrowing part of your ear canal.

My parting comment would be, as I said earlier, if you are good for two hours as is all hope isn’t lost, I have had worse and experimentation, careful tip style choice and perseverance paid off resulting in all day listening comfort.

Not much specific help, sorry, but good luck nevertheless.
 
Oct 5, 2024 at 10:23 PM Post #3,680 of 3,791
the last one is the eletech baroque M. I tried it, but when I put it in my ear, I can feel that it is not the ideal shape. Rather, the eartips of that shape fit better than the w1, xelastec, s&s. Now that I think about it, these three are all different shapes... Who understands this...I've had enough...
Fair enough response. Either it's worth it to you to keep trying, or it's not. We can't decide that for you. Sounds to me like you've given it a fair shot. From my perspective, it sounds like IEMs are not for you.
 
Oct 5, 2024 at 10:23 PM Post #3,681 of 3,791
Understand completely.

5.9mm isn’t especially big, the ones that cause me issues with certain tips are 6.8mm but I need large tips anyway. It is not small however.

0.9mm difference is very likely to be much less than the difference between peoples ear canal diameter so 6.8mm is very likely to be less of a problem for me than 5.9mm is for you. So while 5.9mm isn’t huge it also isn’t so small and could easily be your problem, especially if the nozzle length and IEM shape versus outer ear shape encourage deep insertion into the narrowing part of your ear canal.

My parting comment would be, as I said earlier, if you are good for two hours as is all hope isn’t lost, I have had worse and experimentation, careful tip style choice and perseverance paid off resulting in all day listening comfort.

Not much specific help, sorry, but good luck nevertheless.
we'll see, the next test will be cp155, I've never had an eartips with such a shape, the tip of which narrows so much.
 
Oct 5, 2024 at 10:24 PM Post #3,682 of 3,791
Of course I'm disappointed, it's like driving a Ferrari and the person sitting next to you pulling the handbrake every five seconds. You really want to use it, but there's something about it.
I'm actually thinking more along the lines of driving a Countach and realizing there's no viable way to reverse. But yeah.
 
Oct 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Post #3,683 of 3,791
Fair enough response. Either it's worth it to you to keep trying, or it's not. We can't decide that for you. Sounds to me like you've given it a fair shot. From my perspective, it sounds like IEMs are not for you.
I haven't tried all the eartips in my possession, as I said, there are 2 tons in quite a lot of sizes. Maybe it also happens that you can't say something that doesn't exist. Pentaconn maybe, but I wouldn't think of buying one.

This has been going on for several months, I just don't have the mental strength to replace the eartips. I wanted to put one thing in my ears and enjoy the content, nothing else.
 
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Oct 5, 2024 at 10:38 PM Post #3,684 of 3,791
we'll see, the next test will be cp155, I've never had an eartips with such a shape, the tip of which narrows so much.

That seems like a good option.

I have the CP100 and 145. They taper and are quite pliable material so are fairly forgiving. The 155 look like they taper even more which should help.

Good luck.
 
Oct 5, 2024 at 10:40 PM Post #3,685 of 3,791
I haven't tried all the eartips in my possession, as I said, there are 2 tons in quite a lot of sizes. Maybe it also happens that you can't say something that doesn't exist. Pentaconn maybe, but I wouldn't think of buying one.

This has been going on for several months, I just don't have the mental strength to replace the eartips. I wanted to put one thing in my ears and enjoy the content, nothing else.
Not everything in life is worth the hassle. It sounds to me like you've hit your limit. Like I said, I think speaker positioning is every bit as trying and frustrating as finding a good fit with IEMs. But that doesn't mean that both things are equally worth the trouble to you. We can't decide that for you. Either it's worth all the fuss, or it's not. Up to you.
 
Oct 6, 2024 at 2:25 AM Post #3,686 of 3,791
the eartips change the FR of the iem very little, I don't care about that part.

We can take a planar (Moondrop Stellaris) as an example, and use graphs to show objective tonal changes with eartips.

Stellaris Various Tips.jpg


The green graph is with the stock Softear Ultra Clear silicone tips - this is the baseline frequency response.

A wide bore eartip like the Tenmark Whirlwind gives the most treble boost - red graph.

The Final E Black tips tames the treble the most - black graph.




As I have posted above, if you have tried various ear tips and permutations and sizes and still get irritation, consider making a CUSTOM IEM with an individual mold for your ear.

Failing which, maybe IEMs are not the best fit for you (no pun intended), so some folks have to diverge to headphones or flatheads or speakers, or even dedicated bone conduction tech which doesn't enter the ear canal.
 
Oct 6, 2024 at 5:32 AM Post #3,687 of 3,791
I haven't tried all the eartips in my possession, as I said, there are 2 tons in quite a lot of sizes. Maybe it also happens that you can't say something that doesn't exist. Pentaconn maybe, but I wouldn't think of buying one.

This has been going on for several months, I just don't have the mental strength to replace the eartips. I wanted to put one thing in my ears and enjoy the content, nothing else.
If you are willing to get more tips, the JVC Spiral Dot SF (stress free) could be worth a shot.

They have a shorter dome and the stem tapers a bit to the top allowing it to conform to the canal shape. Not to the same extent as SpinFit but the same idea.

I'm using them in sizes M for left and ML for right with my 634ears IEMs. They have a titanium shell with wooden faceplate and the SF hold the weight nicely.
 

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