Audio-gd DAC 3SE - Arrival!
Jan 29, 2009 at 6:33 PM Post #46 of 207
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Originally Posted by ccschua /img/forum/go_quote.gif
wonder if this is the 4x1704 or the 4x1702 version. I wonder how would this dac3se compare with the Denon DCD1 or the Philip CD950 / Marantz CD17 ?


I have the Marantz CD17 (not MKII or KI), if I am not mistaken it shares the same DAC as Philips CD950 (TDA1547 SAA7350 ) although different transports, in this case Marantz uses CDM12.3 and Philips CDM9.

I have been giving the CD17 a good listen the last two nights ever since my Compass arrived, I have had very close listening to CD17 analogue out and CD17 coaxed with Compass (24-48 hours burn in only).

To my ears, The Compass with CD17 against CD17 on the very first listen (out of the box and fresh Earth opamp) had a slightly veiled sound, although the sound stage was at least a a couple of feets spread apart than CD17, tonality wise CD17 sounded more musical, while with Compass it was more neutral and natural to my ears.

On the second listen - 48 hours burn in, AudioGD power cables and old moon opamp installed, the veil just disappeared, making the sound stage not only wider but also more focussed, and three dimensioned, it was like everything became bigger on the stage, there was weight added to the piano, some leather the drums, ..

Ok, to cut this short, CD17 with Compass on the second listen with change of stock cables and matured opamp betters CD17 alone in imaging, tonality and dynamics..

I shared my findings with Kingwa and he wasn't surprised, there are many buyers of DAC100 who have compared and found better than Marantz CD16, which is a notch above.. in fact he went further by advising me some upgrades on the CD17 (upgraded power supply - clock and coax output) which will take it to another platform..

Anyway, these are just my findings which is based on my ears/taste and my experience.. to me it seems and without hearing that DAC 3SE should be in a different league all together.
 
Feb 10, 2009 at 2:14 AM Post #47 of 207
How would you know if a HDCD is being properly decoded? Is there a indicator light on the DAC somewhere?

EDIT: I emailed Kingwa and he said that there is indeed an indicator light that turns on when HDCD is being decoded.

Also, I asked him if any of his DACs upsample, and he said no. He doesnt believe in upsampling and none of his DACs will upsample.
 
Feb 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM Post #49 of 207
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Originally Posted by les_garten /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Doesn't rally matter a whole lot, but it is not 192 kHz. It will accept 192, but downsample it. Kingwa should correct this on his website. It is misleading.


Are you sure about this? It doesnt make any sense. Their DSP can work in NOS mode and the pcm1704 CAN accept 24/192 sampling rate.

I'm talking with Kingwa by email but didnt ask this because it seemed obvious.
 
Feb 27, 2009 at 10:44 AM Post #50 of 207
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Originally Posted by ccschua /img/forum/go_quote.gif
wonder if this is the 4x1704 or the 4x1702 version. I wonder how would this dac3se compare with the Denon DCD1 or the Philip CD950 / Marantz CD17 ?


It's 4x 1704u-k (2 per channel). while the Ref One is 16x 1704uk (8 per channel). The website is not very clear.

The 1702 is not in the same league.
 
Feb 27, 2009 at 2:24 PM Post #51 of 207
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Originally Posted by Telstar /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Are you sure about this? It doesnt make any sense. Their DSP can work in NOS mode and the pcm1704 CAN accept 24/192 sampling rate.

I'm talking with Kingwa by email but didnt ask this because it seemed obvious.



Hi,
It will accept 192, but it will be downsampled to 96 kHz. I think that is the correct way to phrase it. I talked to Kingwa about this very question. If you find out different, let us know.

Les
 
Feb 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM Post #52 of 207
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Originally Posted by Telstar /img/forum/go_quote.gif
It's 4x 1704u-k (2 per channel). while the Ref One is 16x 1704uk (8 per channel). The website is not very clear.

The 1702 is not in the same league.



The Ref 1 will not "DO" 192 kHz either. It will accept it but downsample. This is what he told me. That's how I got in this discussion. I am looking at buying the REF1

Les
 
Feb 27, 2009 at 5:31 PM Post #53 of 207
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Originally Posted by Telstar /img/forum/go_quote.gif
It's 4x 1704u-k (2 per channel). while the Ref One is 16x 1704uk (8 per channel). The website is not very clear.

The 1702 is not in the same league.



I think the REF1 has 4 PCM1704uk per channel.

 
Feb 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM Post #54 of 207
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Originally Posted by paara /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think the REF1 has 4 PCM1704uk per channel.




As we say here in South Florida...

Correct-o- Mundo!!

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Mar 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM Post #55 of 207
Anyone else ordered a DAC from Audio-GD? There is now a 3DV version, with the DSP from Ref 1 instead of the DF1704+PMD100. Same 4 PCM1704uk and diamond differential output stage. Im thinking about getting this, hoping for additional feedback from other new owners.
 
Mar 3, 2009 at 4:44 PM Post #56 of 207
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Originally Posted by AnaKinDV8 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Anyone else ordered a DAC from Audio-GD? There is now a 3DV version, with the DSP from Ref 1 instead of the DF1704+PMD100. Same 4 PCM1704uk and diamond differential output stage. Im thinking about getting this, hoping for additional feedback from other new owners.


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Mar 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM Post #57 of 207
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Originally Posted by paara /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I think the REF1 has 4 PCM1704uk per channel.


That was one of the first questions I asked to Kingwa, and he said 4 DACS total.
 
Mar 4, 2009 at 11:02 PM Post #58 of 207
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Originally Posted by Telstar /img/forum/go_quote.gif
That was one of the first questions I asked to Kingwa, and he said 4 DACS total.


That makes sense if he counts 2 x 1704's as 1 DAC (the 1704 is a mono chip)
so 2 is needed for each "DAC"
 
Mar 4, 2009 at 11:03 PM Post #59 of 207
Does anyone know why multiple chips are any better then 1 per channel, will they not just add more noise to the system?
 
Mar 5, 2009 at 12:27 AM Post #60 of 207
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Originally Posted by paara /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Does anyone know why multiple chips are any better then 1 per channel, will they not just add more noise to the system?


That is how you get Multibit. I looked this up when I got interested in the REF1. You may want to google Multibit DAC. Also look that Chip up, it is explained in one of it's data sheets as well.

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