Sep 20, 2021 at 4:23 PM Post #106 of 7,074
I waited 2 years for a new LCD-4 successor but today when I look at the measurements I'm not very confident that It has the Audeze bass I love and It looks very bright.
And the distortions are way higher then the Stealth. I am a bit disappointed today
Me too.

On the other hand I like that my future buying decisions got a whole lot easier today
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:29 PM Post #107 of 7,074
This largely depend on which revision you had and if you had a "blessed" pair. I had several pre-fazor models and fazor models over the years. One of my pre-fazor's had outstanding bass. The other, not so much...
I had pre-fazor first, then after driver died first time I sent them and they supposedly updated it to have the fazors, both times it was mostly without bass, I mean, you could hear the bass, just not feel it almost at all, only when it was very specific and I couldn't even understand when that happened exactly did it have some feel.
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:33 PM Post #108 of 7,074
I had pre-fazor first, then after driver died first time I sent them and they supposedly updated it to have the fazors, both times it was mostly without bass, I mean, you could hear the bass, just not feel it almost at all, only when it was very specific and I couldn't even understand when that happened exactly did it have some feel.
There was a large amount of unit to unit variation back in the early pre-fazor models of the 2 and 3. I still have a 2.1 that sounds quite amazing.
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:35 PM Post #109 of 7,074
As someone who EQ ALL my headphones to harmon target, they do not all sound the same. IMO if you use the same FR you can judge the merit of the actual headphone design more, than just "quirky" FR response that are ultimately just design trade offs for something else.


Are these pads still attached in the same fashion as the LCD-4 ?
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:38 PM Post #110 of 7,074
just a simple question... due to all of the new headphones being released at these super high prices... can someone please explain in simple terms what makes a headphone ( any headphone ) cost and be worth $4500....
I'm not saying they aren't worth the price, I am just curious what costs besides the engineering and time required to produce these kinds of headphones...

Because a $4500 dollar headphone sounds better than a 2k dollar headphone.....because $4500 is more than $2000. :upside_down:
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:42 PM Post #111 of 7,074
It's a 4500 USD headphone so I must buy a additionally 4 Pin XLR cable and cannot choice 4 Pin XLR instead of 6,35mm? Sorry I don't understand this.
When I buy a Stealth I can choice of dozens connectors why not when I buy from Audeze?
Let's be real for a second, the LCD5 is not released yet and there's not a doubt in my mind it will outperform Stealth. Tuning is subjective, but god is the Stealth an underwhelming product for 3K!
I waited 2 years for a new LCD-4 successor but today when I look at the measurements I'm not very confident that It has the Audeze bass I love and It looks very bright.
And the distortions are way higher then the Stealth. I am a bit disappointed today
I know you're a big fan of Susvara, I doubt this headphone will disappoint as it is more in-line with that than LCD4. I've grown to really like Audeze's new direction since 2020. Before that, their headphones sounded quite dull imho.

All we can do is wait and see, but this is shaping up to be more exciting than Empy Elite or DCA Stealth that's for certain.
 
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Sep 20, 2021 at 4:51 PM Post #112 of 7,074
Let's be real for a second, the LCD5 is not released yet and there's not a doubt in my mind it will outperform Stealth. Tuning is subjective, but god is the Stealth an underwhelming product for 3K!

I know you're a big fan of Susvara, I doubt this headphone will disappoint as it is more in-line with that than LCD4. I've grown to really like Audeze's new direction since 2020. Before that, their headphones sounded quite dull imho.

All we can do is wait and see, but this is shaping up to be more exciting than Empy Elite or DCA Stealth that's for certain.
From my subjective experience spending a few weeks with the LCD-R and the susvara side by side, the LCD-5 only needs to slightly nudge the LCD-R out in sound quality to beat the susvara.
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:51 PM Post #113 of 7,074
There was a large amount of unit to unit variation back in the early pre-fazor models of the 2 and 3. I still have a 2.1 that sounds quite amazing.
That's really bad then if there's such a "variation" as you call it. Why do I have to win the lottery when I pay the same as everyone else and that's not even a lottery?
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:52 PM Post #114 of 7,074
I find it meaningful that in the head-fi interview, Audeze's CEO led with (1) lower weight and (2) total physical redesign, yet was pretty reticent to talk much about technical innovations. The interview felt pretty awkward, with Jude trying to keep the energy up, but was given little to work with, lol.

And strangely, all this talk of the a lighter and brighter LCD-5 is making miss having an LCD-4.
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:55 PM Post #115 of 7,074
Includes: LCD-5 Headphone | Premium Braided Cable | Aluminum Travel Case

It's a new case?
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 4:58 PM Post #116 of 7,074
I'm sorry but I don't agree with this whatsoever.

There's been a recent (or not so recent) notion that a headphone needs to hit a specific target curve to be good (whether Harman or what have you). I don't agree with this at all.

We all hear things differently.

I myself don't EQ anything, and enjoy the LCD headphones (or all other manufacturer headphones) for what they are, whether it's close to targets or not.

What's the point of a billion headphones if all you're doing is trying to make them all sound the same? Well, I like headphones for their own specific tonalities and quirks. I don't think the LCD2C or LCD-X need any EQ, and they're very different. Do I want them to sound similar? No.

Do they sound good or not though EQ? That's purely subjective. It's just there's some target bandwagoning happening these days that think it has to be a specific way or it's not good. Well, I'm not sorry to say they're wrong.

That's the beauty of headphones. There's so many flavors. Are they wrong? No. You want a bright headphone, get a Grado. You want an intimate headphone, get an LCD2 or 6XX. etc. You want pure neutral, get X headphone. Just enjoy them, whether you EQ or not.
This is my thoughts exactly. As someone who's spend tens of thousands on headgear I don't understand this race to all sound alike either. Isn't this market/hobby more like buying art? Can't I enjoy more than one style of art? If I like both jazz, classical and R&B can't I get 2 or 3 different products that all accentuate to this style and let me enjoy it more? Why do I need one "perfect" pair of headphones, or better, why is it the goal of every one of these companies to make a "perfect" set of headphones at the expense of focusing on their strengths and sound signature? If all we have in the end is "perfect" headphones with just different technical means of getting there, then this industry is going to consolidate and dry up its unique diversity pretty quickly. Isn't that actually sucking money out of the market?

As far as Audeze and the LCD-5, it may be phenomenal and true to its nature, I don't know and we all will have to listen to determine that. I do hope they do not completely "evolve" to sound "better" and in the process end up sounding just like my utopia or Stax because then I will end up owning less headphones and conversely spend less total $ in this industry.
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 5:01 PM Post #117 of 7,074
Sep 20, 2021 at 5:03 PM Post #118 of 7,074
I don't think its a bad thing to make the LCD-5 sound different than the LCD-4,3,2, etc... they still offer all those older options and they will most likely continue to revise them if there is continued demand for the Audeze house sound. Until people actually start receiving these units, or we begin seeing reviewers dive into the sound, I think we are jumping the gun.

Take the hd600/650 for example... they sound similar and were a progression in the sennheiser sound from one to the other. Then they released the hd800 which sounds nothing like the hd600/hd650. I didn't see many complaints that people thought the hd800 was a departure from their normal sound signature. And guess what... they still offer the hd600/hd650 along side their hd800 revisions.
 
Sep 20, 2021 at 5:04 PM Post #119 of 7,074
Sep 20, 2021 at 5:05 PM Post #120 of 7,074
audeze did a good job of addressing common complaints of
1) weight - very impressed by how much weight they shaved off
2) tuning - pushes there headphones into less of a EQ required is good

On another note, new pads remind me of abyss diana v2 shape haha

I wish maybe one day they make a lighter LCD-2 with these new updates :D (because 4.5K is alot of money lol)
 
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