Ken G
500+ Head-Fier
If you’re coming from an LCD-4 it probably sounds like a huge peak

Absolutely, everything is relative and if we become used to one thing it can be hard to go to something else. But ear-gain is necessary for clarity. Does the LCD-5 have too much? Maybe a little. It’d be interesting to see the new research Sean Olive is doing with the B&K 5128 to see how far off these headphones really are from their new preference target. I’d really be surprised if the 3k peak is more than 2db higher than it “needs to be”. Not that 2db too high can’t benefit from EQ. But is it something to nitpick about when their TOTL headphone used to be like 8db below target in that region? Not in my opinion.If you’re coming from an LCD-4 it probably sounds like a huge peak
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I see at +10db rise from 1khz to 4khz, which is huge. Previous Audeze headphones went down a couple db in this range.
Anyone else want to share their “outrageous 3k peak”
I just don't see how anyone can call them transparent when one frequency band is so exaggerated above everything else. Listening to drums its like the snare is a foot away but the kick drum is at the back wall. Every mix is dominated by vocals or guitar bite and everything else is pushed to the back. I could not use the LCD-5 professionally without EQ correction.Absolutely, everything is relative and if we become used to one thing it can be hard to go to something else. But ear-gain is necessary for clarity. Does the LCD-5 have too much? Maybe a little. It’d be interesting to see the new research Sean Olive is doing with the B&K 5128 to see how far off these headphones really are from their new preference target. I’d really be surprised if the 3k peak is more than 2db higher than it “needs to be”. Not that 2db too high can’t benefit from EQ. But is it something to nitpick about when their TOTL headphone used to be like 8db below target in that region? Not in my opinion.
Almost every non-audiophile I’ve put these headphones on has remarked on their transparency in some way. Without knowing anything about headphones or their cost.
I just don't see how anyone can call them transparent when one frequency band is so exaggerated above everything else. Listening to drums its like the snare is a foot away but the kick drum is at the back wall. Every mix is dominated by vocals or guitar bite and everything else is pushed to the back. I could not use the LCD-5 professionally without EQ correction.
I would cut that peak by 5db at least. I think Jude recommended around 3db, which would closer to the actually listenable Meze Elite.
Audeze's target is "Whatever frequency response makes for fast drivers and then you will use EQ or deal with it."
This is the last I will say. These were the only infuriatingly poorly tuned headphones I have ever owned and totally dashed my expectations coming from an older LCD-XC. At least Abyss does a weird tuning that sounds enjoyable.
Whoever is rethinking these ideal target frequencies is smoking crack. They are literally thinking "Hey, you know that obnoxious 3-4khz that we usually cut for good reason? Why don't we instead push it as far as we possibly can and rely on our customers to buy it anyway?"
I used to be employed in the music/recording industry, but now is more of a hobby with some isolated professional projects here and there.I appreciate your position on this but it hasn’t been in line with my experience. You mentioned that you “could not use the lcd-5 professionally” do you work in the music production industry? Or were you speaking hypothetically
Interesting! Well you’re definitely not the only one with this experience. As I said that’s kind if all I’ve been reading/hearing lately regarding lcd-5!I used to be employed in the music/recording industry, but now is more of a hobby with some isolated professional projects here and there.
I did a lot of mixing on headphones, which is quite fraught. We used mostly DT-770s and DT-1770s which were the industry standard, but I eventually switched to the LCD-XC. I did complain about the mids being a *little* scooped, but be careful what you wish for.
As always, your ears and your wallet. But to my ear, the Elite's lacked imaging and resolution compared to the 5 when I demoed them side by side at a local store. For comfort and laid back stock tonal balance, Elite is it though.which would closer to the actually listenable Meze Elite.
True enough. Though the Mezes do improve a lot when you get away from their stock cable. LCD-5 actually has an extremely good stock cable.As always, your ears and your wallet. But to my ear, the Elite's lacked imaging and resolution compared to the 5 when I demoed them side by side at a local store. For comfort and laid back stock tonal balance, Elite is it though.
Well… because they sound transparent. At least to me and other owners. I never really look at headphone measurements. I don’t see any benefit in this, because if I like the headphones, then what will change after viewing the frequency response graph? Nothing, because I'm not participating in some kind of measurement championship, I'm just buying myself headphones to listen to music.I just don't see how anyone can call them transparent
I don't relate to your experience here. I know for a fact that in a professional recording studio nobody mixes towards a frequency response like the LCD-5. Vocal edges, and midrange instrument bite and twang being shoved in your face, and bass and kick drum sitting way in the back is not what any mix or mastering engineer intends. If the music itself is no longer balanced, if the instrument balance actually changes to the detriment of the music, something is not right.Well… because they sound transparent. At least to me and other owners. I never really look at headphone measurements. I don’t see any benefit in this, because if I like the headphones, then what will change after viewing the frequency response graph? Nothing, because I'm not participating in some kind of measurement championship, I'm just buying myself headphones to listen to music.
Can’t say that LCD5 are perfect. I don’t like how this headphones play Symphonic music and never use mine for classical. But to call it “unlistenable” or “not transparent” would be a completely unfair exaggeration.
This is not a very good argument for our hobby. The vast majority of music is now released in such a way that it can sound good through bluetooth speakers, cheap headphones and car radio. With this approach, headfiers need not buy anything better than AirPodsin a professional recording studio nobody mixes towards a frequency response like the LCD-5
What for? Do you seriously think that Audeze designer never heard the sound of a studio monitor?You can listen to some near field or midfield ATC, PMC, Genelec, Neumann etc professional monitors. Then throw on the LCD-5 and it will sound totally cranked between 3-4khz and out of balance.
This is not a very good argument for our hobby. The vast majority of music is now released in such a way that it can sound good through bluetooth speakers, cheap headphones and car radio. With this approach, headfiers need not buy anything better than AirPods
What for? Do you seriously think that Audeze designer never heard the sound of a studio monitor?
Studio monitors for work, audiophile headphones for pleasure. No wonder they sound different. For professional use Audeze now has a specially designed MM series.