marcan
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It's because your brain makes adjustment that you don't need eq...
Yeah, that make sense in a way.It's because your brain makes adjustment that you don't need eq...
LCD2C:
I would consider these as higher-middle class headphones. Perhaps the very entry level to higher-end cans.
They just do everything pretty well but excel with bassy contemporary music. They also benefit a LOT from better gear. It is a big mistake to judge them out of a basic Schiit gear.
If someone is into bassy modern music these are hard to beat unless spending 3-4 times more on a headphone. And there you will find yourself in TOTL category.
If you like the sound of the LCD2C but you don't have another $1500-2000 to upgrade your headphones you might want to spend that $1000 for amp/DAC to bring out the best of the 2C until you can afford a worthwhile headphone upgrade like the Empyrean or the LCD4Z.
For bassy contemporary music the 2C kills most if not all cans under $1500 when it is run out of some decent gear.
It is about priorities and potential upgrade routes.I hope a 799 headphone doesn’t need a 1000 amp to sound good. I can appreciate your point about scaling but it’s not realistic for most of us. I can’t say I know what the classic sounds like out of high end gear but thankfully it sounds pretty damn good to me out of my basic magni stack.
I think the BMFlyer DIY fazor would fix that imaging, but it would also make the tonality cooler...the slightly diffuse image adds to the mellowness.Im not familiar with iems. What is the sound sig of your portable gear? Is it thicker and has more body?
The 2C does sound "thin". Thin in a way that it doesnt have a solid body. It is kinda like a cloud over your head. It is large snd thick, but not focused.
It's because your brain makes adjustment that you don't need eq...
It's the fuller upper-mids on the 650 vs the 2C's recession. This is such an important part of the response that at minimum every headphone should have at least decent upper-mids. As there are lots of information in that area that should not be buried. 650 is smooth with a blacker background, but I notice 600 outputs certain sounds where the 650 has black background, creating perception of higher transparency. 600 is upper-mids forward in comparison. Wondering what region of the upper-mids is causing this difference?I've been borrowing my friends HD650 for a few days as it's been a while since I've had a HD650 on my head. This is a grey box HD650 before they ended up having more harsh upper mids with the black box.
First thing I noticed was the treble smoothness. The HD650 is fantastic in how smooth in the treble it is, it beats all headphones in this regard. The LCD-2C is dark but rough in the treble as it dips and rises and peaks. This comes across as grain or unrefinement on the 2 classic.
The HD650 has a kind of foggy cloud to its sound similar to the LCD-2C but has more solid body, vocals have more emotion and openness. The Classic does do vocals just about as good as any headphone with its unique speaker like presentation but the HD650 has a magic to voices.
Bass on the 2C still as textured, deep as ever and the HD650 is still a HD650, rilled off like all open dynamics but with good bass impact.
The detail on the HD650 is less obvious but I find it to still have better micro detail than the 2C but both are close when it comes to general detail and resolution but the HD650 does scale with higher end gear more. I dont fidn the LCD-2C to scale much at all from mid tier rahipment to TOTL but it depends more on the individual equipment.
I did notice in direct comparison the LCD-2C has a steely timbre, slightly metallic tinge to the timbre where as the HD650 has a more natural timbre, they're timber masters.
I did notice the HD650 slams as hard if not harder but the Classics destroys the HD650 when it comes to bass control, pitch differention, cleanliness and speed.
Oh really? Why should we bother then and spend more money for better gear? How stupid would that be? Let's all plug a 20$ junky headphone into our phones and wait for the brain to adjust...It's because your brain makes adjustment that you don't need eq...
While your brain can adapt to the frequency response there are other specs where your brain can't: - distortion, transient, precision, speed, slew rate,, ... and pre/post ringing introduced by eq...Oh really? Why should we bother then and spend more money for better gear? How stupid would that be? Let's all plug a 20$ junky headphone into our phones and wait for the brain to adjust...
Sure, the post ringing... I'd forgotten about that. You say your brain can't adjust to it and I surely believe you.While your brain can adapt to the frequency response there are other specs where your brain can't: - distortion, transient, precision, speed, slew rate,, ... and pre/post ringing introduced by eq...
I think OTL tube amps not suited so much to planars vs push-pull tube amps ?
This came up before in the amps for audeze headphones thread. Just searched that amp, and it looks like it is OTL on google though I've never tried it with LCD2s.
Push-pull/hybrid tube amps best when it comes to planars maybe.