[reddog]

From what i hear the weight distribution is really good so sure you could wear them on the go. Really its up to the individual.

Thanks for your keen observations, I was hoping these cans, handled the weight distribution well and can be used on the go.

 

[James-uk]

I'm really interested in these. My only concern is the huge dip that bottoms out at 6khz. Is this dip in the FR having a big effect on detail and treble accuracy ? I don't like bright headphones but I don't want to miss any detail or sparkle when called for.

 

[HiFiGuy528]

Unboxing and first look video:
 

 

[lamode]

   if I don't like them, they'll go back without a review

 
This just went from bad to worse

 

[NZtechfreak]

   
This just went from bad to worse

 
How so?
 
The next sentence was words to the effect that he would still give us his honest thoughts here.

 

[lamode]

   
How so?
 
The next sentence was words to the effect that he would still give us his honest thoughts here.

 
Because he stated quite plainly that he would not publish a negative review. So much for neutrality and integrity!

 

[baritone]

Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

 


 if I don't like them, they'll go back without a review

 I like people who start with the negative expectations first


I will suget to start reviewing the PM3 firtand not the el8


 

 

[LFC_SL]

'Not writing a review if you do not like a product and only writing a review if you like a product', is entirely different to 'only writing positive reviews on everything'. The two propositions are not the same. Tyranny is the removal of subtlety and context.

 

[lamode]

The two propositions are not the same.

 
No-one said they were

 

[money4me247]

  How so?
 
The next sentence was words to the effect that he would still give us his honest thoughts here.

 
well, if audio manufacturers only send their equipment to reviewers who have the mentality where they either write a glowing review or send back the product... that means all early reviews from "reviewers" will be universally positive and will not give critical feedback on the product or point out flaws for the consumers.
 
instead of acting as an unbiased party writing for the consumer market to allow us to make educated decisions, the "reviewer" simply becomes part of the company's promotional PR/advertising/marketing machine.
 
realistically, it makes good business sense for audio companies to be extremely selective about the people they choose to send out early review units to. They will obviously pick people that they have relationships with or people who have a history of writing really positively about their products. unfortunately, those types of people will write the least helpful reviews for the consumer. In fact, this type of practice will also hurt the audio company since criticism and constructive feedback is the main force for driving innovation and change. (...that along with competition).
 
of course, individual reviewers have the right not to write or publish negative feedback on a product out of respect for the company. However, it is my strong opinion that sort of behavior not only hurts the consumers, but also hurts the industry as a whole since product flaws are not being identified early & highlighted for everyone's attention.

 

[NZtechfreak]

'Not writing a review if you do not like a product and only writing a review if you like a product', is entirely different to 'only writing positive reviews on everything'. The two propositions are not the same. Tyranny is the removal of subtlety and context.

Agree, especially if the thoughts are still shared for people's benefit. For professional reviewers I would feel differently perhaps, but having written reviews for blogs as an enthusiast I wouldn't sacrifice my own spare time to write an exhaustive review of something I really didn't like.

 

[money4me247]

'Not writing a review if you do not like a product and only writing a review if you like a product', is entirely different to 'only writing positive reviews on everything'. The two propositions are not the same. Tyranny is the removal of subtlety and context.

 
If you only write a review about products you like & don't write reviews about products you don't like... then yes, that would lead to a net gain of only positive reviews. you will not write positive reviews on everything as you will simply not write any critical reviews on things you don't like. but you end up with only positives reviews on everything you liked. if everyone did that, then we would actually end up with positive reviews on everything lol as everyone likes different things
 
in my personal opinion, negative reviews are infinitely more helpful than positive ones. no pair of headphones is perfect and the flaws are more important than the strengths when someone is deciding between products. they want to find one that does not have any flaws in sonic areas that they care about.

 

[NZtechfreak]

well, if audio manufacturers only send their equipment to reviewers who have the mentality where they either write a glowing review or send back the product... that means all early reviews from "reviewers" will be universally positive and will not give critical feedback on the product or point out flaws for the consumers.

instead of acting as an unbiased party writing for the consumer market to allow us to make educated decisions, the "reviewer" simply becomes part of the company's promotional PR/advertising/marketing machine.

realistically, it makes good business sense for audio companies to be extremely selective about the people they choose to send out early review units to. They will obviously pick people that they have relationships with or people who have a history of writing really positively about their products. unfortunately, those types of people will write the least helpful reviews for the consumer. In fact, this type of practice will also hurt the audio company since criticism and constructive feedback is the main force for driving innovation and change. (...that along with competition).

of course, individual reviewers have the right not to write or publish negative feedback on a product out of respect for the company. However, it is my strong opinion that sort of behavior not only hurts the consumers, but also hurts the industry as a whole since product flaws are not being identified early & highlighted for everyone's attention.

Sure, but he's not saying he'll keep it to himself if he doesn't like it, only that he won't write up a formal review. Those take hours, much simpler to post a brief review to a forum. The community still gets the data point.

 

[money4me247]

Sure, but he's not saying he'll keep it to himself if he doesn't like it, only that he won't write up a formal review. Those take hours, much simpler to post a brief review to a forum. The community still gets the data point.

In my personal opinion & I mean no offense... the big difference is that he is a professional reviewer. it would be different if it was one of us talking about not writing a review b/c we didn't like it.
 
but if a professional reviewer refrains from publishing reviews that negatively reflect on a product... it seems that he is no longer a "reviewer," but more just a salesperson.
 
real reviewers writing reviews get a lot more attention. a single head-fi post gets buried within a few days & is almost impossible to find again.
 
note: i am not trying to be offensive or argumentative. i am simply stating my honest opinion on the situation. people can do whatever they want & professional reviewers contribute a lot to the community already. i just personally think there is a responsibility that goes along with being a "professional audio gear reviewer" to report the bad with the good & not filter any information.

 

[lamode]

Originally Posted by money4me247 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
it seems that he is no longer a "reviewer," but more just a salesperson.

 
Exactly, hence my original comment.