ATH-AD2000 similar to ES10?

[Vergex2]

According to Musician's Friend, the AD 2000 shares the exact same FR (5-40000), driver size (53 mm) and sensitivity (102 dB/mW) as the ES10. They also both use neodymium magnets. I'm wondering if perhaps they share the same driver?

Could anyone please get a picture of their AD 2000's driver (close ups front and back would be nice, without a shroud or covering)? Also, how would you describe your headphones? Sound signature? Of course, we do have to take in account that the ES10s are closed and the AD 2000 is open..

 

[Vergex2]

Bump with a title change.

 

[REB]

I have both and to me there are distinct differences between the two, even when amped by the same amp (I use the esw10 portably). The ad2000 is more detailed, has a wider soundstage (it's open after all) and more neutral (not a word I'd normally associate with the ad2000) than the esw10. the esw10 is even more fun than the ad2000, it is significantly darker, more coloured and has more bass (although the ad2000's bass is so well-defined it's almost scary). It is also easier to amp than the ad2000. that's my 2 cents worth...

 

[Vergex2]

From what I understand, the ESW10 uses a smaller driver than the ES10 (42 mm vs 53mm) and has an FR of 5-35000. Sensitivity however, is the same.
 
While I don't own the ESW10 myself, from all reports they are quite different from the ES10.

However, if the AD2000 is more neutral than the ESW10, then that sort of completely wipes away my theory here. The ES10s are pretty damn far from neutral and very coloured. 

 

[Bigrock2150]

I think all cans sound colored if they don't sound like real life music. So I'd stay to date all cans have coloration of some degree. Can't wait to hear the LCD 2, FWIR they're the closest to real life sound. Still flippin love my ad2000 though, it's weird that they get looked over so much. 

 

[Vergex2]

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I think all cans sound colored if they don't sound like real life music. So I'd stay to date all cans have coloration of some degree. Can't wait to hear the LCD 2, FWIR they're the closest to real life sound. Still flippin love my ad2000 though, it's weird that they get looked over so much. 

Well if we all wanted the most neutral presentation, we'd be using studio monitors, wouldn't we? Not to say however, that is the most natural or lifelike.
 
However, I do believe that the ES10 is extremely coloured - though it may be intentional (such as with Grados).

 

[loveholic]

Just go to AT Japan website directly and find out. They have different voice coils. The es10's frequency is rated at 5~40kHz whereas the ad2000 is rated at 5~45kHz.
I no longer have the es10 so I can not compare the sound, unfortunately.

 

[Bigrock2150]

 
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Well if we all wanted the most neutral presentation, we'd be using studio monitors, wouldn't we? 

No, To date no headphone possess the technology to mimic/copy "real life". Why would you listed to coloration when you can literally listen to the Artist singing in you ears? What headphone manufacturers are trying to achieve is a headphone that sounds natural, the problem is that the technology isn't all there yet. I have no doubt in my mind that eventually we'll get close enough to not be able to distinguish the difference. When that time comes why would we listen to manufactured sound? 
 
I guess to answer your question, we wouldn't listen to studio monitors but most of us would listen to real life sound if we could. Just my 2...... 

 

[muad]

I think we have the technology to make music sound exactly life like... but I think the problem is in the recordings. Many recordings are colored in the studio accidentally or on purpose. You could design a headphone that could make some recordings sound realistic but it'll make other recordings unrealistic. Also half of the realism comes from the presentation. If the presentation isn't in the recording then it will never convince my brain that the person is really standing there. Speakers do a nice job with the presentation and sometimes my K701 convince me Im surrounded by musicians.
 
As I'm typing this I'm listening to hysteric (acoustic) by the yeah yeah yeahs...  if you youtube it does it sound real to you? Her voice is in the room with me...
 
EDIT: sorry, kinda off topic

 

[Bigrock2150]

Yeah I think its kind of a catch 22 because we'll never know if a headphone can copy real life until recording meets the technology. I think we're close but I've yet to hear a recording in which an orchestra sounds like what one does in concert. 
 
Youtube didn't do the song justice but I can see how it would sound as if she was in your room.