[rlw6534]

I trying to find my Apple lightning to 3.5 adapter to see if I can figure out it's capabilities. I suspect it's 24/48.

So I found the Apple lightning to 3.5 mm adapter. Both Roon and Amazon music are reporting 24/48 as the device capabilities.

 

[InvisibleInk]

So I found the Apple lightning to 3.5 mm adapter. Both Roon and Amazon music are reporting 24/48 as the device capabilities.

My iFi iDSD Black Label does 24/96 when connected directly to my Mac. Anything higher than that, the music distorts terribly.

 

[rlw6534]

My iFi iDSD Black Label does 24/96 when connected directly to my Mac. Anything higher than that, the music distorts terribly.

I was able to get 24/192 out of my Fiio BTR5 in USB mode using the Apple CCK and USB-C cable. One advantage to this setup is that the BTR5 has it's own battery so perhaps it will minimize draining the iPhone.

 

[mammal]

Airplay is faster than any Bluetooth. So full speed is good, but limited to the LAN.

Airplay also works on WiFi, so not limited to only LAN.

 

[myromeo]

So I found the Apple lightning to 3.5 mm adapter. Both Roon and Amazon music are reporting 24/48 as the device capabilities.

that fits with what I’ve read of the lightning dac downsampling to 24/48. I wonder if iOS 14.6 will change that restriction. I’m sure the chipset in the adapter is capable of 24/192

 

[yolosauce]

I assume the windows 10 app will have lossless playback? I get apple music free with verizon and currently use deezer. It would be nice to save $15 a month!

 

[CharlyBrown]

I assume the windows 10 app will have lossless playback? I get apple music free with verizon and currently use deezer. It would be nice to save $15 a month!

I’ve read no reports regarding the Windows app, yet. But it would be insane not to support full lossless with Windows imo.

 

[fufula]

I’ve read no reports regarding the Windows app, yet. But it would be insane not to support full lossless with Windows imo.

Wouldn't surprise me that much tbh. Dealing with anything Apple-related on a Windows machine has always been a nightmare, which means they either don't care or purposefully keep the experience on a competing platform as unpleasant as permissible.

 

[CharlyBrown]

Wouldn't surprise me that much tbh. Dealing with anything Apple-related on a Windows machine has always been a nightmare, which means they either don't care or purposefully keep the experience on a competing platform as unpleasant as permissible.

I’m not an Apple fanboy but I’ll have to disagree on that. Apple’s strategy is moving more and more into services, rather than just hardware/OS. I don’t have any experience regarding Apple on Windows (at least not for the last 10 years or so…). But the Android version for example works just as the iPhone version and is confirmed to support lossless.

 

[fufula]

I’m not an Apple fanboy but I’ll have to disagree on that. Apple’s strategy is moving more and more into services, rather than just hardware/OS. I don’t have any experience regarding Apple on Windows (at least not for the last 10 years or so…). But the Android version for example works just as the iPhone version and is confirmed to support lossless.

I use an iPhone, Macbook M1, and I also have a well-specced Windows desktop PC for gaming/music, so I have a very direct and clear comparison of how their apps work and what they look like on Apple devices and on Windows.

iTunes on Windows is outdated, heavy, and extremely sluggish. Using Apple Music through iTunes is hands down the worst experience out of all the possible streaming services out there. I wish Apple would spend some of their resources on providing their Windows-based clientele with an experience worthy of a multi-billion company, but the reality is that they're treating the MS platform like a red-headed stepchild.

 

[visanj]

I use an iPhone, Macbook M1, and I also have a well-specced Windows desktop PC for gaming/music, so I have a very direct and clear comparison of how their apps work and what they look like on Apple devices and on Windows.

iTunes on Windows is outdated, heavy, and extremely sluggish. Using Apple Music through iTunes is hands down the worst experience out of all the possible streaming services out there. I wish Apple would spend some of their resources on providing their Windows-based clientele with an experience worthy of a multi-billion company, but the reality is that they're treating the MS platform like a red-headed stepchild.

I'm not sure about Spotify but Tidal is built on ElectronJS. its a light weight html, css, js framework and thats why Tidal is so fast. I don't know which is used to build iTunes. My guess on the UX is its built on Java as that has poor sluggish UI elements. I have seen similar UI elements in Java similar to iTunes. It will hardly take 1 or 2 months for big company like Apple to rebuild this but they won't do it

 

[CharlyBrown]

I use an iPhone, Macbook M1, and I also have a well-specced Windows desktop PC for gaming/music, so I have a very direct and clear comparison of how their apps work and what they look like on Apple devices and on Windows.

iTunes on Windows is outdated, heavy, and extremely sluggish. Using Apple Music through iTunes is hands down the worst experience out of all the possible streaming services out there. I wish Apple would spend some of their resources on providing their Windows-based clientele with an experience worthy of a multi-billion company, but the reality is that they're treating the MS platform like a red-headed stepchild.

I remember it was just like that when I owned my last Windows machine over a decade ago. I think I went 100% Apple in 2009 or 2010.

That is really unfortunate, I thought they vastly improved their Windows app by now. Hopefully lossless will work on Windows. Fingers crossed!

 

[myromeo]

So I found the Apple lightning to 3.5 mm adapter. Both Roon and Amazon music are reporting 24/48 as the device capabilities.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212183

Apple support states here the dongle is limited to 24/48 so to get higher resolution we are going to need to use a third party DAC. That is unless Apple release a high res version. Seems crazy they’ve made listening to high res so difficult for the average user!

 

[new2mus]

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212183

Apple support states here the dongle is limited to 24/48 so to get higher resolution we are going to need to use a third party DAC. That is unless Apple release a high res version. Seems crazy they’ve made listening to high res so difficult for the average user!

I'm sure they will have Apple-branded (and priced), future accessories for maximizing the listening experience.

 

[visanj]

and regarding their dolby atmos - spatial audio version, any idea what would be the codec and bitrate? can they maintain same bit rate?