Android: Neutron Music Player

[WitzyZed]

Hi,
Please how do I find and enable the play through folders option on neutron?
I used to be able to find it easily and I had it enabled and it used to go on to the next folder and then on to the next one and so on but now I can't seem to find this option anymore and the app just stops playing at the end of every album!!!
Not what I want at all.
Thanks so much
neutronmp@gmail.com

Settings -> Playback -> Playback Mode |Ensure LED or button is LIT| -> Select "Sequential"

I myself don't have "Folder" browsing enabled under my media library settings, but the above setting makes sure playback from album to album is indeed sequential.

 

[obileye obiyemi]

@WitzyZed Thank you!!! It worked

 

[JaquesGelee]

Will this App supports Tidal credentials GUI and MQA unfold for Google Pixel 4a with external dac actually?

Thank you.

 

[WitzyZed]

Will this App supports Tidal credentials GUI and MQA unfold for Google Pixel 4a with external dac actually?

What will make this difficult, is that as of version 1.99.0 ... Neutron will “detect MQA track and expand it to the original [sample] rate if hw supports it.”

For any FLAC file with embedded ENCODER tag metadata beginning with “MQAEncode v1.1- (and so on)” as well as ORIGINALSAMPLERATE tag metadata (any such values as 44100, 48000, etc), Neutron will recognize it as “MQA”.
While it does not do any software decoding, it will lock output sample rate to the value from ORIGINALSAMPLERATE tag.
For any MQA tracks where source material was 88.2/96kHz or above, Neutron may not be sending untouched 44.1/48kHz stream to the external DAC which you want to be decoded and then unfolded.

 

[Lillie]

Hi. Have read almost all this thread and have used Neutron on and off over the years but have always found the options slightly overwhelming. I now have a Fiio M11 and wonder if anyone else with one can give me some pointers of the settings they use; should I have 64bit on , follow source frequency etc , and what other important settings do I need to enable to get best possible sound? I am playing 16 bit flac mostly through headphones and also via Dlna to technics hifi.

A big thank you to the developer for developing such a comprehensive music player ( even if I don’t know understand half of it!)
Thank you in advance.

 

[Lillie]

Can anyone please help with how to rename playlists ? I thought maybe long press but that doesn’t work.

Edit: I’ve found it now .

 

[Julius Decimus]

Hi. Have read almost all this thread and have used Neutron on and off over the years but have always found the options slightly overwhelming. I now have a Fiio M11 and wonder if anyone else with one can give me some pointers of the settings they use;

Good day.

Yes, you would want 64bit processing on. Then:

In Settings->Audio.

Mono - Off.
Dither - Off.
Phase Inversion - Off.
Subsonic Filter - Off.
Ultrasonic Filter - Off.
Reverse stereo - Off.
Oversampling - Off.

By Off i mean not checked right.

Normally you would want 'Follow source frequency' to be checked.

Now something to experiment....i do think for most if not every DAC chip out there that the manufacturer says is delta-sigma modulation type one (the two in the Fiio are such), you would want try 'follow source frequency' off, then 'DSD, DSD over PCM (DOP)' checked (to be on). Click on it to show more options. Then check only the first 'PCM to DSD'. The other two native dsd and volume control unchecked. Try that if the Fiio CPU can do the conversion. If you hear cracking noises or distortion in sound, then it probably can't and so turn the whole DSD options off and check follow source frequency again.

If you want try best quality, go further in in the PCM To DSD and check DSD128 format. You could try multithreaded processing if you hear distortion in sound.

There are few situations:
1. You could turn off 64bit processing off and then try DSD To PCM and see how it is. That is if you hear distortion in sound with 64bit on. 32bit+DSD64 to my opinion is not worth it and you will get same quality (meybe even lower quality), with dsd options off and follow source frequency on.

2. 64bit processing + DSD64 is little better than follow source frequency.

3. 32bit+DSD128 you will hear improvement but not a big one. I think this is better than 64bit+dsd64 only if you do not use equalizer. If you use equalizer, then 64bit+DSD64 is better.

4. And best is 64bit processing + DSD128. Here if you do not hear difference, then...well you just don't. But there is improvement in resolution, details, bass and treble responce in general.

You also have all these 4 situations + multithreaded procession on or off and there is also in Playback where the 64bit option on or off, below it there is resampling quality audiophile or quality. This is minimal impact, but there is difference. Audiophile uses more cpu than the other one. Can use it to combine things. You want audiophile checked, but also may try just quality in combo with the dsd to pcm conversion if the CPU can't do it straight up.

I do think this is the best player. Even without the DSD option, it is better with the 64bit procession on than other players. With the DSD is on another level.

These are my settings. Happy listening to your music.

 

[Lillie]

Good day.

Yes, you would want 64bit processing on. Then:

In Settings->Audio.

Mono - Off.
Dither - Off.
Phase Inversion - Off.
Subsonic Filter - Off.
Ultrasonic Filter - Off.
Reverse stereo - Off.
Oversampling - Off.

By Off i mean not checked right.

Normally you would want 'Follow source frequency' to be checked.

Now something to experiment....i do think for most if not every DAC chip out there that the manufacturer says is delta-sigma modulation type one (the two in the Fiio are such), you would want try 'follow source frequency' off, then 'DSD, DSD over PCM (DOP)' checked (to be on). Click on it to show more options. Then check only the first 'PCM to DSD'. The other two native dsd and volume control unchecked. Try that if the Fiio CPU can do the conversion. If you hear cracking noises or distortion in sound, then it probably can't and so turn the whole DSD options off and check follow source frequency again.

If you want try best quality, go further in in the PCM To DSD and check DSD128 format. You could try multithreaded processing if you hear distortion in sound.

There are few situations:
1. You could turn off 64bit processing off and then try DSD To PCM and see how it is. That is if you hear distortion in sound with 64bit on. 32bit+DSD64 to my opinion is not worth it and you will get same quality (meybe even lower quality), with dsd options off and follow source frequency on.

2. 64bit processing + DSD64 is little better than follow source frequency.

3. 32bit+DSD128 you will hear improvement but not a big one. I think this is better than 64bit+dsd64 only if you do not use equalizer. If you use equalizer, then 64bit+DSD64 is better.

4. And best is 64bit processing + DSD128. Here if you do not hear difference, then...well you just don't. But there is improvement in resolution, details, bass and treble responce in general.

You also have all these 4 situations + multithreaded procession on or off and there is also in Playback where the 64bit option on or off, below it there is resampling quality audiophile or quality. This is minimal impact, but there is difference. Audiophile uses more cpu than the other one. Can use it to combine things. You want audiophile checked, but also may try just quality in combo with the dsd to pcm conversion if the CPU can't do it straight up.

I do think this is the best player. Even without the DSD option, it is better with the 64bit procession on than other players. With the DSD is on another level.

These are my settings. Happy listening to your music.

Wow... thank you for such a comprehensive reply this was just what I was looking for.
I shall certainly delve into the settings and try your suggestions .It sounds great anyway but no harm striving for more.

 

[Julius Decimus]

This CPU should be good enough for 64bit+DSD64. Fiio uses the standart cpu governor 'interactive' that tries to turn off cores and lower frequency when it can to have longer battery life after initial program start. So....the way around this is to root device, install custom roms and...most people do not think it's worth it as far as i know. But...yeah, i would say their devices sound better with Neutron and PCM to DSD on for sure. That is for any input format that you play. Flac, AAC, WMA, WavPack, APE. These are that i have music as and it is fine.

 

[Lillie]

This CPU should be good enough for 64bit+DSD64. Fiio uses the standart cpu governor 'interactive' that tries to turn off cores and lower frequency when it can to have longer battery life after initial program start. So....the way around this is to root device, install custom roms and...most people do not think it's worth it as far as i know. But...yeah, i would say their devices sound better with Neutron and PCM to DSD on for sure. That is for any input format that you play. Flac, AAC, WMA, WavPack, APE. These are that i have music as and it is fine.

Thank you again you know your stuff. Quick question ....the Fiio M11 has the setting all to DSD... with PCM converted to DSD64 output. Is there a difference or benefit using this setting on the player or the setting in the Neutron app?

 

[Julius Decimus]

Thank you again you know your stuff. Quick question ....the Fiio M11 has the setting all to DSD... with PCM converted to DSD64 output. Is there a difference or benefit using this setting on the player or the setting in the Neutron app?

Yes, how good the conversion will be depends on what program you use, some programs do better upsampling than others. In Neutron is for sure better than Fiio's one, yes. You want to have it off in the Fiio player settings and then have it on in Neutron.

Or you may try both and see if you hear difference. The one in the Fiio is DSD64 (i don't think its DSD128). So, you have higher resolution options in Neutron, 64bit+64DSD and 64bit+DSD128 would be better than the Fiio one.

 

[Lillie]

Good day.

Yes, you would want 64bit processing on. Then:

In Settings->Audio.

Mono - Off.
Dither - Off.
Phase Inversion - Off.
Subsonic Filter - Off.
Ultrasonic Filter - Off.
Reverse stereo - Off.
Oversampling - Off.

By Off i mean not checked right.

Normally you would want 'Follow source frequency' to be checked.

Now something to experiment....i do think for most if not every DAC chip out there that the manufacturer says is delta-sigma modulation type one (the two in the Fiio are such), you would want try 'follow source frequency' off, then 'DSD, DSD over PCM (DOP)' checked (to be on). Click on it to show more options. Then check only the first 'PCM to DSD'. The other two native dsd and volume control unchecked. Try that if the Fiio CPU can do the conversion. If you hear cracking noises or distortion in sound, then it probably can't and so turn the whole DSD options off and check follow source frequency again.

If you want try best quality, go further in in the PCM To DSD and check DSD128 format. You could try multithreaded processing if you hear distortion in sound.

There are few situations:
1. You could turn off 64bit processing off and then try DSD To PCM and see how it is. That is if you hear distortion in sound with 64bit on. 32bit+DSD64 to my opinion is not worth it and you will get same quality (meybe even lower quality), with dsd options off and follow source frequency on.

2. 64bit processing + DSD64 is little better than follow source frequency.

3. 32bit+DSD128 you will hear improvement but not a big one. I think this is better than 64bit+dsd64 only if you do not use equalizer. If you use equalizer, then 64bit+DSD64 is better.

4. And best is 64bit processing + DSD128. Here if you do not hear difference, then...well you just don't. But there is improvement in resolution, details, bass and treble responce in general.

You also have all these 4 situations + multithreaded procession on or off and there is also in Playback where the 64bit option on or off, below it there is resampling quality audiophile or quality. This is minimal impact, but there is difference. Audiophile uses more cpu than the other one. Can use it to combine things. You want audiophile checked, but also may try just quality in combo with the dsd to pcm conversion if the CPU can't do it straight up.

I do think this is the best player. Even without the DSD option, it is better with the 64bit procession on than other players. With the DSD is on another level.

These are my settings. Happy listening to your music.

Hi.
Have tried your recommendations... when I switch DSD, DSD over PCM (DOP) on and then PCM to DSD on I don’t get any sound, (is that because M11 can’t do this?) so I guess I’ll stick to follow source frequency.

Have changed the other settings and using audiophile and it’s sounding great.
Thanks for your time and input.

 

[Julius Decimus]

Hi.
Have tried your recommendations... when I switch DSD, DSD over PCM (DOP) on and then PCM to DSD on I don’t get any sound, (is that because M11 can’t do this?) so I guess I’ll stick to follow source frequency.

Have changed the other settings and using audiophile and it’s sounding great.
Thanks for your time and input.

I don't know sadly.

Fiio M11 is in the supported devices list for Neutron, so it is something with the settings.

Meybe somebody else can give you advice.

I don't have the DAP, i use tablets and phones and external DACs. So....it should work so long the device supports DSD, which it does. It is settings, but i don't know what you should change.

Meybe check, settings->profile. If it is 'default' it's ok. There is 'bit-perfect' also there and i was thinking it may conflict with the upsampling to DSD if you have bit perfect profile selected there.

 

[Lillie]

I don't know sadly.

Fiio M11 is in the supported devices list for Neutron, so it is something with the settings.

Meybe somebody else can give you advice.

I don't have the DAP, i use tablets and phones and external DACs. So....it should work so long the device supports DSD, which it does. It is settings, but i don't know what you should change.

Meybe check, settings->profile. If it is 'default' it's ok. There is 'bit-perfect' also there and i was thinking it may conflict with the upsampling to DSD if you have bit perfect profile selected there.

Checked settings-> profile, it’s default so ok.
I have got it to work.... the setting beneath PCM to DSD which is Native DSD has to be on that’s the only way it works.
Have tried DSD128 with multithread processing on and off and stutters occasionally so running in DSD 64, 64 bit and audiophile ....what an amazing music player, head and shoulders above others once you learn to navigate the menus and start to have some understanding of their uses!

 

[Julius Decimus]

Checked settings-> profile, it’s default so ok.
I have got it to work.... the setting beneath PCM to DSD which is Native DSD has to be on that’s the only way it works.
Have tried DSD128 with multithread processing on and off and stutters occasionally so running in DSD 64, 64 bit and audiophile ....what an amazing music player, head and shoulders above others once you learn to navigate the menus and start to have some understanding of their uses!

I am happy that it works then.

I don't have that enabled, but it needs it when playing through a dap and not just external dac i guess. Thanks for the information, it might be helpful for me in future and if someone reads and want try this.

The one in the Fiio is something like 32bit+DSD64 in Neutron. One side to make sure you do not get distortion in sound and another to save battery i think. And....this is the reason why people often do not hear difference with all to dsd option On in their daps.

Ahm....how is the battery consumption ? Is it OK ? I have phone that i use as music player and i have 7-8% per hour 32bit+DSD64. 10% with 64bit+DSD64. Around 11% with 32bit+DSD128. And 15% with 64bit+DSD128. Multithreaded processing will add 1 or 2% + to all these. So...if it can without it, its better to turn it off. Also for comparison with 'follow source frequency' i get 3-4% drain per hour. Not that for your dap will be the same numbers, but just to give idea. 64bit+DSD64 is best balance, quality and performance i feel.

Something else that may help as information to someone that reads. When you go to settings audio, at the top is written what type CPU a device have. And in brackets is written 32 or 64 bit + Neon for example. Then under it in VEC you might have 'Neon' or '-' nothing written. If it's nothing written then probably the google play store have not installed the best possible version of Neutron so one might want to check Neutron website for manual downloads and installation. That counts only for 32bit CPUs however as i understand. If the device have 64bit CPU and Neutron works, then this is the optimal one as 64bit version does not have versions with or without Neon. What this does is you get 20% or something around those lines more performance with VEC 'Neon' vs '-'. So...if for example you get distortion and your device can't do upsampling to DSD well, installing the correct version might help a lot. Will not do miracles but can help.

Happy listening .


PS: and something else, whoever reads. It also depends on what sample rate the input file has. So...Flac 16bit 44 100hz will be easier to upsample to DSD than Flac 24bit 96 000hz and so on. This is another reason why one may get distortion with hi-res files vs standart 16/44. Keep this in mind also. Its not huge difference, but there is.