AirPods Max

Jul 3, 2022 at 3:27 PM Post #5,356 of 5,698
Ha!!!!
Don't go down that hole... Just the silly emotional language used here... Just ignore it..
All competently designed and manufactured on a controlled process line, with quality materials, will sound good..
Blow away, destroy, smash, crush.. 😜
The language makes it sound like the APM or lower tier headphones are garbage. 'Blow away' suggests the other thing is destroyed, wrecked, useless.

However I really do thoroughly enjoy my APM despite listening to Focal Stellia's daily. I'm totally happy with them. The Stellia are better, absolutely, but people need to realise that doesn't make the other stuff pale!
 
Jul 3, 2022 at 6:06 PM Post #5,357 of 5,698
The language makes it sound like the APM or lower tier headphones are garbage. 'Blow away' suggests the other thing is destroyed, wrecked, useless.

However I really do thoroughly enjoy my APM despite listening to Focal Stellia's daily. I'm totally happy with them. The Stellia are better, absolutely, but people need to realise that doesn't make the other stuff pale!
All I’ve been using lately is my APM. I still love my Focal Elear with Clear pads, but it’s hard to enjoy them when I can hear the air conditioning going over top of the music. The APM completely cancels the sound of the AC. With just a touch of EQ to bring up the mid-range the APM is definitely quite acceptable to me. The Focal will get used more again when it’s cooler and the AC won’t be running as much.

What I can’t seem to enjoy anymore is my AirPods Pro or AKG N400nc. Neither one sound very good after getting used to the APM.
 
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Jul 3, 2022 at 8:35 PM Post #5,358 of 5,698
I don't experience that on my iPhone 6S nor latest IPod touch I purchased.
The 6s and iPod touch are several years old (though still great devices). Perhaps Boom was developed for older hardware and doesn't work as well with newer devices. That might explain the popping noises I experienced.
 
Jul 3, 2022 at 10:49 PM Post #5,359 of 5,698
Better than Harman Kardon?
I can’t believe I’m saying this but based off of memory it just may be.

I’m genuinely surprised and impressed at the amount of soundstage, separation, and imaging. I gave it an imaging challenge that only my EL-8 Titanium can accomplish with lossless files, and it passed with flying colors.

The mid-range is wonderfully natural with a beautifully detailed treble that has just enough bite, and a rich powerful bass with proper EQ.

The system’s default frequency response seems to be perfectly flat, which initially disappointed me but it’s possible to add up to 10dB of clean bass boost.

Of course the Harman Kardon has more power with its amplifier and a larger soundstage as it has rear speakers, but I’m shocked at how capable the default system is.

Thus the only downsides are that there’s no distinct sound for the rear passengers, although I find the sound from the front carries through just fine, and the bass gets limited at higher volumes, ~ 75% with the bass EQ turned all the way up. This is also fine as it limits the bass in a way that prevents distortion. The system saves me from myself since it sounds best averaging at around 80dB, with occasional 85-88dB peaks.

I prefer it to the 12-speaker system I’ve had in my 3 Series plug-in hybrid, and after growing accustomed to it it’s definitely replaced my Harman Kardon system. Larger sound systems with more speakers tend to want to manipulate the sound in ways to make it seem more impressive, but detract from the overall sound quality.

I’d have to listen to the Harman Kardon branded system again as I’ve also changed my approach to EQ: as it’s two speakers I only touch the bass and leave the treble flat. Even the world’s best headphones can be ruined with too much adjustment to the treble. But generally this will be my approach going forward. I’m admittedly obsessive with figuring out the best EQ settings.

Surprisingly my experience in an early Tesla Model 3 was that the speakers seemed distorted at higher volumes, although that could be due to a number of factors. A Model Y I tested had an excellent sound system.

Speakers have basically replaced headphones for me, as even the best headphones won’t have the same visceral bass impact or frankly even the reduced fatigue I seem to get from speakers. I would go out to my car and listen for hours if it felt socially acceptable, since it ended up being my best pair of headphones/speakers.

A meticulously-tuned audio system designed specifically for the car’s cabin, paired with CarPlay and Apple Lossless, can make for an exemplary listening experience rivaling the best headphone and speaker setups.
 
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Jul 4, 2022 at 12:14 AM Post #5,361 of 5,698
I feel like I've left the AirPods Max thread and entered a car audio thread.:ksc75smile:
I was about to add an off-topic disclaimer. The potential of a good car audio system is underrated.

The new HomePod could offer a complementary speaker experience.

I’m definitely planning to be blown away by AirPods Max one day. Maybe not this generation. Maybe not the next. But Apple will nail wireless Apple Lossless and we’ll all be spoiled by a ridiculous quality of audio. As redundant as it is they should even incorporate the bandwidth for high-resolution lossless just as a showcase for the codec.

I’m hopeful that next time I upgrade my AirPods/Beats we’ll at least have a higher-bandwidth codec, even if 264kbps AAC is perfectly fine.
 
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Jul 4, 2022 at 7:16 PM Post #5,363 of 5,698
I still can’t get over how much I like these(with a little EQ). I’m listening to The Ocean right now and maybe my ears just suck, but I don’t feel like I’m missing anything.

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Jul 5, 2022 at 5:41 PM Post #5,364 of 5,698
I still can’t get over how much I like these(with a little EQ). I’m listening to The Ocean right now and maybe my ears just suck, but I don’t feel like I’m missing anything.

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There’s no reason to believe that Apple couldn’t create one of the best over-ear headphones on the market, if not the best Bluetooth headphone. I’d trust your ears.
 
Jul 5, 2022 at 11:23 PM Post #5,365 of 5,698
Remarkably, AirPods Max would be one of the most neutral headphones ever tested if the lower treble didn’t roll off.

The bass accuracy at 8.9 and mid accuracy at 9.4 is excellent.

However, I wouldn’t suggest to the sound engineers to attempt to change this just for the sake of satisfying an objective test.

If I had to guess they probably do this to make the sound less fatiguing and also better suited to listening at higher volumes.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/apple/airpods-max-wireless

Man, posting a link to Rtings takes me back to when I was more obsessive over headphones and frequency response.
 
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Jul 5, 2022 at 11:39 PM Post #5,366 of 5,698
Remarkably, AirPods Max would be one of the most neutral headphones ever tested if the lower treble didn’t roll off.

The bass accuracy at 8.9 and mid accuracy at 9.4 is excellent.

However, I wouldn’t suggest to the sound engineers to attempt to change this just for the sake of satisfying an objective test.

If I had to guess they probably do this to make the sound less fatiguing and also better suited to listening at higher volumes.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/apple/airpods-max-wireless

Man, posting a link to Rtings takes me back to when I was more obsessive over headphones and frequency response.
Are you referring to the dip in the 3-6k area?
 
Jul 6, 2022 at 2:52 AM Post #5,367 of 5,698
Remarkably, AirPods Max would be one of the most neutral headphones ever tested if the lower treble didn’t roll off.

The bass accuracy at 8.9 and mid accuracy at 9.4 is excellent.

However, I wouldn’t suggest to the sound engineers to attempt to change this just for the sake of satisfying an objective test.

If I had to guess they probably do this to make the sound less fatiguing and also better suited to listening at higher volumes.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/apple/airpods-max-wireless

As Jude discussed in this very thread, the on-head respond of the AirPods Max might not be quite as dramatically deficient in that region to most people than what it appears on ear simulators : https://www.head-fi.org/threads/airpods-max.949152/post-16091082

I've also routinely measured several samples with in-ear mics on my own head (this post and the entire thread for my own experiments) : https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...-noise-cancelling-headphone.25609/post-872884

I'd be quite interested to see more in situ measurements of the APM.
 
Jul 6, 2022 at 8:00 AM Post #5,368 of 5,698
I've been trying to find a new wireless headphone for months now. The APM has always been on my list but I have a few concerns stemming from the fact I use a combination of Android (phone) and Mac (2016 MBP). Would there be any problems here? I've read that the experience is quite poor on Android but I know quite a few people still use it with Android. A few questions to you all if you wouldn't mind answering...

1. Is it true the APM must first be setup on an iOS device and can only be updated through iOS?

2. Can it do multipoint between macOS and Android? I use a TWS (Jabra 75t) at the moment and it can connect to both devices and switch automatically between the two. If I'm listening to a podcast on my android, I just pause it, then go over to my Mac and I can play something and it'll automatically switch over. Is this how the APM will function?

3. How does it work in terms of turning off/connecting to devices? I know there's no dedicated on/off button. With my Jabras, I take them out of their case, they turn on and automatically connect to both my Android and Mac. Will the APM do that too?

Thanks for any replies and please mention anything I missed before I take the plunge!
 
Jul 6, 2022 at 11:10 AM Post #5,369 of 5,698
I've been trying to find a new wireless headphone for months now. The APM has always been on my list but I have a few concerns stemming from the fact I use a combination of Android (phone) and Mac (2016 MBP). Would there be any problems here? I've read that the experience is quite poor on Android but I know quite a few people still use it with Android. A few questions to you all if you wouldn't mind answering...

1. Is it true the APM must first be setup on an iOS device and can only be updated through iOS?

Updates are only via iOS but I think you don’t need an iOS device to first set it up. Also, we know there is an OS update coming which will add better spatial.
2. Can it do multipoint between macOS and Android? I use a TWS (Jabra 75t) at the moment and it can connect to both devices and switch automatically between the two. If I'm listening to a podcast on my android, I just pause it, then go over to my Mac and I can play something and it'll automatically switch over. Is this how the APM will function?

AirPods (all of them) have single point with easy pair/connect controlled by iCloud. This is different from dual point where the headphone listens to both and chooses depending on what is being played.

You won’t get multipoint like the Jabras with any AirPods model including the Max.

The APM will be tied to your Android until you click Connect in OSX (note there are various utilities to make this a single click in the toolbar)
3. How does it work in terms of turning off/connecting to devices? I know there's no dedicated on/off button. With my Jabras, I take them out of their case, they turn on and automatically connect to both my Android and Mac. Will the APM do that too?

Thanks for any replies and please mention anything I missed before I take the plunge!
With my Windows/Android/iOS setup, it appears to connect to the last one it was connected to when you take it out the case. However if the last one you connected to was an iCloud connected device the you are back in Apple mode and will need to manually connect on Windows/Android.

I haven’t had any connectivity problems connecting to Android unlike my APPs. I use USB Audio Player Pro on Android to tweak the EQ just slightly and it works well.

I’d summarize: I’ve made it work but it is not ideal and probably wouldn’t recommend given your questions, especially with the software update coming.
 
Jul 8, 2022 at 5:22 AM Post #5,370 of 5,698
I know some people are here for movie/TV consumption and things are getting interesting in this space.

This isn't limited to headphones, but now you can use any headphone (or anything that's stereo) for a version of "Spatial Audio" with select Netflix programming on any device.

https://en-us.sennheiser.com/newsroom/new-audio-experience-now-streaming-on-netflix-krnay0

https://en-us.sennheiser.com/ambeo-spatial-audio

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/netflix-spatial-audio

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/126405

In the Netflix presser they mention a couple of scenes to try out. I found the timestamps:

The Adam Project at 1 hr, 21 minutes.

Stranger Things S4E9 at 48 minutes.

I did not find it better than what's going on with Apple's version in an Apples to Apples comparison on the Apple TV 4K with the same Apple branded headphones, but it wasn't bad at all with Ambeo IMO. I went deep into the Bluetooth menu of the ATV4K to make sure spatial audio was disabled so that the Atmos track would not pop up at all and for "Ambeo" to kick in for select programs.
 
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