[nick_charles]

Some odd findings:
 
When I ran FooBar and the ASIO driver for the Musiland the fooBar output was way off. There were deviations from the reference of over 11db at some frequencies, disabling the ASIO driver in FooBar fixed this and the playback was as close to identical to the reference as makes no difference.
 
When trying to record from lilith into Cool Edit Pro starting Lilith caused CEP to blip nastily, further the recorded file was now 2000 samples shorter than it should have been, I tried this 5 times allowing CEP time to recover but each time the recording came up short.
 
Will try one more using a 2 PC setup
 
Frankly quite puzzled by all this...
 
reran using separate play and record PCs
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Foobar behaved itself and output exactly 32768 samples no problem, Lilith output 31260 samples i.e 1508 samples shy of the target i.e about 0.0342 seconds lost from the end. Without knowing more about why this is happening it seems impossible to reccomend this player.

 

[Draca]

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Some odd findings:
 
When I ran FooBar and the ASIO driver for the Musiland the fooBar output was way off. There were deviations from the reference of over 11db at some frequencies, disabling the ASIO driver in FooBar fixed this and the playback was as close to identical to the reference as makes no difference.
 
When trying to record from lilith into Cool Edit Pro starting Lilith caused CEP to blip nastily, further the recorded file was now 2000 samples shorter than it should have been, I tried this 5 times allowing CEP time to recover but each time the recording came up short.
 
Will try one more using a 2 PC setup
 
Frankly quite puzzled by all this...

Very interesting findings...

 

[donunus]

depending on the dac used via usb, latency settings matter quite a bit for example... Those are other things to factor in this music player sound quality saga

 

[donunus]

By the way, Foobar has a slightly tighter bass than ulilith IMO but again the mids seem more analog if thats the right word on ulilith. Maybe because the mids have a slightly more forward presence and the bass is a little less snappy that it seems more analog hmm. It could all be placebo though... I really want foobar to sound better because of the interface darnit
 
For a lot of music, the differences are too small that I may as well really call placebo.

 

[nick_charles]

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Very interesting findings...

One to puzzle about over a pint of Morrells. Too many variables though, could be Vista, could be my setup, could be the player, could be ASIO, could be the hardware, not reading Japanese does not help, though I do have an old pal (an LMH graduate) in Japan, maybe I will call in a favour and get a translation...

 

[donunus]

why is your ulilith in japanese? maybe download another build? the one like mine perhaps

 

[nick_charles]

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why is your ulilith in japanese? maybe download another build? the one like mine perhaps

Link ?

 

[Marantz]

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Link ?

I think he has downloaded lilith and not ulilith by mistake.

 

[Head Injury]

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Link ?

I think this is where I downloaded mine.

 

[leeperry]

Link ?

the latest a the bottom: http://www.project9k.jp/download/uLilith/
 
I took care of the english translation, but english is not my native tongue...so lemme know if you see errors.
 
@donunus: yes, that's the one...now go ahead and try to justify why you think uLilith sounds better, besides you've used many more audiophool words than I did

 

[nick_charles]

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the latest a the bottom: http://www.project9k.jp/download/uLilith/
 
I took care of the english translation, but english is not my native tongue...so lemme know if you see errors.
 
@donunus: yes, that's the one...now go ahead and try to justify why you think uLilith sounds better, besides you've used many more audiophool words than I did

Many thanks for the link, that works very nicely ! now I can adjust the settings and see if that makes a difference..optimized settings , best lilith capture to date, Lilith now a mere 206 samples or 1/220th of a second short

 

[Zorlac]

Guys...someone posted an interesting link the other day that may help us find the true answer. Only problem is I am not sure how to get the hardware/software to do it.
 
Take a look:
 
http://hifiduino.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/reading-sample-rate/

 

[donunus]

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@donunus: yes, that's the one...now go ahead and try to justify why you think uLilith sounds better, besides you've used many more audiophool words than I did

Actually I desperately want foobar to sound better because of the interface 

 

[leeperry]

tell me about it, uLilith doesn't allow custom mixing matrixes(foobar and ffdshow do)...so I cannot use the Logic7 5.1>stereo downmix matrix on my 24/96 5.1 lossless SACD rips....ah well, uLilith's coder told me he'd implement it when he has time, so no biggy

 

[ROBSCIX]

Surprised nobody has asked what source people were using when hearing their differences or not hearing them.