[upstateguy]

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Originally Posted by malalol /img/forum/go_quote.gif I've tried to achieve the same effect using Dolby Pro Logic but I could not. Also the effect is absolutely headphone dependent. The 4.1 setup on Channel mixer sounds wonderful on my HD595, almost no timbre change, out of the head soundstage but upfront presentation, really fun setup for rock and metal. However it sounds absolute crap on my ATH-CKM55. Tried many different setups and the soundstage only gets congested, barely outside my head, and distorted (its in a curve shape, near my ears but far from my nose). These ATH already have outstanding soundstage for IEM at this price, so I'll stick with their stock sound

Not sure how you have it set up, but try the default settings with two small changes. Unclick LF on the first page, but leave it set to 6. Decrease the sub to around 10% on the next page.

your config should look like this:

DTS
CM
DHP
Limiter


Don't remove the center channel or boost its value. Doing that only flattens the sound stage by moving the vocals closer to the plane the left and right channels are in. Think about it.

The sub channel is also very helpful (especially with my 701s and 880s) and may be decreased but not removed.

Keep in mind that although there are many tweaks to play with, the developers found the best settings already and used them as their default settings.

Enjoy.

USG

 

[malalol]

Yes, I messed around a bit with the controls and found a good solution to the issues I was facing, and this could improve soundstage quality paired with other IEMs.

Try reducing the rear volume on Upmix tab and watch the horizontal up-frontness be revelead. It is essentinal to remove the inside your body shaking feeling bass and reveal it sitting on your face like glasses, or maybe under your nose but a bit farther. Definitely with better focus and imaging, like a warm analytical improvement.

I feel kind of an axis in a diagonal lift up, give it a try. Sounds like a 3d rearrangement of the bass perception, and put' em right under the mids and highs, like it should be. It's similar to toe-in adjustment in 2.0 speakers when you're on the sweet spot.

Bass propagates in the air differently than highs, because wider sound waves are more omnidirectional than high frequency waves. This DH Headphone engine is pretty good, and the teak is necessary to my CKM-55 indeed. The toe-in brings the bass forward, and the software processing sends it farther!

The use of supra-auricular headphones like mine H595 sounds better with default settings indeed!

The angled drivers could be a reason why some people love it.

But I just ordered an extension cable to use IEMs at home, the rear volume sounds just right at 0.20!

Kisses dears

P.s. I'm having better resolution with H595 as well with this tweak, but left the rear volume at 0.40. The adjustment is needed to match the soundstage distance with bass image distance, which sounds better at 20% on the next tab. The interactions between upmix and downmix has a horizon height that should be addressed as well.

 

[ironmine]

I use these settings:

Foobar Active DSPs:

1. George Yohng's VST Wrapper (+Oxford Sonnox or any other hi-end VST eq to reduce the overall gain by -5 dB)
2. Channel Mixer (6 channels, Upmix Mode - Copy, Center - 0.85, Subwoofer - 1.0, Rear Volume - 1.0. Subwoofer is on, its volume - 1.0, Bass redirection is on, frequency - 70).
3. Dolby Headphone, Live Room, Amplification - 1.0.

Sounds best to me!

 

[malalol]

I'm using DH on Reference Room setting. Live room and further only seems to add echo to me.

I'm using Electri-Q as well to EQ my headphones, not only to rectify the resonance between my ear channel and the headphones, but to compensate a little loss I have (-1db I guess) at 6K on my left ear. I can clearly notice soundstage resolution improvement with EQ.

 

[ironmine]

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Originally Posted by malalol /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm using DH on Reference Room setting. Live room and further only seems to add echo to me. I'm using Electri-Q as well to EQ my headphones, not only to rectify the resonance between my ear channel and the headphones, but to compensate a little loss I have (-1db I guess) at 6K on my left ear. I can clearly notice soundstage resolution improvement with EQ.

Try FabFilter equalizer. It provides a blacker background (space between instruments) compared to Electri-Q. Electri-Q is more grey in this regard.

 

[najames]

Old dude, new to earphones, foobar2000, and would like to thank the OP for this, very interesting.

Maybe tomorrow I can read through all the other posts, looks like a lot of nice information here. So much to learn, so little time!!

Jim

 

[adrift]

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Originally Posted by najames /img/forum/go_quote.gif Old dude, new to earphones, foobar2000, and would like to thank the OP for this, very interesting. Maybe tomorrow I can read through all the other posts, looks like a lot of nice information here. So much to learn, so little time!! Jim

Welcome to the cult... er, club.

 

[najames]

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Originally Posted by adrift /img/forum/go_quote.gif Welcome to the cult... er, club.

Thanks adrift. As long as I don't have to commit suicide when a comet passes, its nice to be here. I'll apologize now for being a heavy reader and not much of a poster. I read all pages of this thread, and an old AV-710 plus info from this thread has transformed my PC with POS Logitech Z-340s into a decent sounding setup for now.

I looked through every page of computer system pics for desk ideas and found most people here would throw my equipment in the trash can, but it works for me. My work headphones are $20 Sony MDRV150 from Wally World, an upgrade from my $7 Ratshack specials, hahahaha. I have been buying inexpensive IEMs to try and learn about them. My impressive new selection consists of Marshmallows, MEElectronics M9 & M6, soon Maximo IM-590, and I want something a little more upscale for compairson. I've spent evenings for the last month (?) to get this far.

I do have a decent home theater setup and several good PCs though.

Jim

 

[Graphicism]

If you're looking for a good buy Jim checkout JVC HA-RX700 for $33.95 shipped, they work well directly from the AV-710 at reasonable listening volumes... crank the volume up and you'll need an amp.

Thanks for checking out the Foobar setup, some good info here and on the rest of the site, welcome to head-fi!

 

[ironmine]

After playing with it for several days, I think I found even better settings:

Foobar Active DSPs:

1. George Yohng's VST Wrapper (+Oxford Sonnox or FabFilter or any other hi-end VST eq to reduce the overall gain by -6 dB)
2. Channel Mixer (6 channels, Upmix Mode - Copy, Center - 0.75, Subwoofer - 0.3, Rear Volume - 0.75. Subwoofer is on (all channels), its volume - 1.0, Bass redirection is on, frequency - 80).
3. Dolby Headphone, Live Room, Amplification - 1.0.

 

[upstateguy]

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Originally Posted by ironmine /img/forum/go_quote.gif After playing with it for several days, I think I found even better settings: Foobar Active DSPs: 1. George Yohng's VST Wrapper (+Oxford Sonnox or FabFilter or any other hi-end VST eq to reduce the overall gain by -6 dB) 2. Channel Mixer (6 channels, Upmix Mode - Copy, Center - 0.75, Subwoofer - 0.3, Rear Volume - 0.75. Subwoofer is on (all channels), its volume - 1.0, Bass redirection is on, frequency - 80). 3. Dolby Headphone, Live Room, Amplification - 1.0.

Hi Ironmine

Could you post some screen shots of your set up?

USG

 

[Abstract]

Christ this is a long thread - but worth it!

Anyways I just got foobar installed again and was looking through what settings to use. I have been playing around with all the suggested settings and at the moment I'm gonna try with the following

DT880 cans with LD-MK III
Mostly flac files, and listening to rock from soft to the harder stuff.

Noise Sharpening 100% - made a much larger impact than i thought it would
DTS decoder
Channel Mixer - 6 channel, surround mode, center 75, sub 30, rear volume 75, sub enabled volume 1, redirection 60
Dolby Headphone - reference room 100% amp

I admit i don't really understand how all the settings work and what they do, I simply used Graphicism's point as reference and created a bunch of presets and have then switched back and forth to try and find what I like the most.

Anyone else with DT880 I'd love to hear what others are using.

 

[upstateguy]

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Originally Posted by Abstract /img/forum/go_quote.gif Christ this is a long thread - but worth it! Anyways I just got foobar installed again and was looking through what settings to use. I have been playing around with all the suggested settings and at the moment I'm gonna try with the following DT880 cans with LD-MK III Mostly flac files, and listening to rock from soft to the harder stuff. Noise Sharpening 100% - made a much larger impact than i thought it would DTS decoder Channel Mixer - 6 channel, surround mode, center 75, sub 30, rear volume 75, sub enabled volume 1, redirection 60 Dolby Headphone - reference room 100% amp I admit i don't really understand how all the settings work and what they do, I simply used Graphicism's point as reference and created a bunch of presets and have then switched back and forth to try and find what I like the most. Anyone else with DT880 I'd love to hear what others are using.

Hi

Could you post some screen shots of your set up?

USG

 

[Abstract]

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Originally Posted by upstateguy /img/forum/go_quote.gif Hi Could you post some screen shots of your set up? USG

I guess, although as i said I'm definitely no expert, so maybe the settings the other guys have come up with are more "correct"

http://www.lyngtoft.dk/Foobar/Capture.JPG
http://www.lyngtoft.dk/Foobar/Capture2.JPG
http://www.lyngtoft.dk/Foobar/Capture3.JPG
http://www.lyngtoft.dk/Foobar/Capture4.JPG

 

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