[Rin1990]

I would like to clarify that my personal impressions are just that.. personal thoughts and opinions. I was not told to post that...  it is just personal excitement that drove me to write what I thought I heard. I work for 64 so you guys are aware and know that I may be biased (which I am trying as hard as possible not to be). So please keep in mind my impressions and opinions are just that... subjective personal opinions. So I advise you take them with a grain of salt.

I highly recommend you guys hear and decide for yourselves if opportunity presents itself for you guys to demo them.


There will definitely be more opportunities for you guys to demo them so I highly encourage those that can to do so and to form their own impressions and opinions.


It would also be very nice to have people that have already demoed them to post their own impressions and descriptions... that would be awesome!


Thank you guys for understanding.


Vitaliy G.
64 Audio

Fair enough then.

Here's hoping 64 Ears at least gave Malaysia a chance to try the new flagships lol.

Something tells me the chances are extremely slim though.

 

[Dithyrambes]

   
 @ThomasHK,
 
Maybe I'll touch on this a bit later and write a detailed description of what goes on behind the shell of this special iem... For now all I can say is custom front-vented drivers
 

But this is like Campfire Andromeda no? Tia instead of firing using tubes it uses a resonance chamber. If you go custom, depending on the size of the chamber won't the sound be different?. I heard the andromeda is a step up from the A12/u12 from multiple reads. I'm sure tia fourte and u18 is as well. My question is why so expensive? I know more drivers equals more money and new totl = more money, but 3.5 to 4k for just an iem is unreasonable for anyone. Even if it was the best sounding/closest sounding iem to speakers, 
 
That's over 5 TOTL smartphones, 2 apple macbook pros, A totl camera for professionals(Nikon D810, Sony a7rII, Canon 5DS), a nice ADC with a pair of very nice mics.
 
These products also get a lot of R&D too, 
 
It makes the Campfire Andromeda, SE5 Ultimate, along with the Zeus-R look like a bargain(both SE and EE which I still consider too expensive for a iem). All three by general opinion perform higher than the A12 and have a firm set of clientele who believe their product is the best.
 
I chose 1964 ears back couple of years because I thought they were trying to bring great quality to people at a much lower price(1964 v6s, v8) compared to other manufacturers at the time(JH, SE, Hidition), but now they are quickly becoming like Astell and Kern where it is simply overpriced vs. quality(though the quality maybe better than most daps).
 
I hope the audio world changes for the better and stop following this price model just because others are doing it and it still happens to be viable(AK, HE1000, Focal Utopia, LCD-4)
 
Would like to see more products like the Chord Mojo, the new Nvidia 1080gtx(which brings more performance than the TITAN, but at a much lower cost), New Smartphones(keeping the cost the same with TOTL release), Nikon D500(much of all features of Totl D5 but just APS-C Sensor). 

 

[audionewbi]

The Fourte sounds like what I would like but I am just not ready to drop 3.5 K on an IEM, again. 

 

[andrewphillipf]

 
That's over 5 TOTL smartphones, 2 apple macbook pros, A totl camera for professionals(Nikon D810, Sony a7rII, Canon 5DS), a nice ADC with a pair of very nice mics.
 
These products also get a lot of R&D too, 

 
Really interesting point you made putting things in perspective. You reminded me that I still want a D810, and an IEM should never cost more than one of those.

 

[zachchen1996]

A totl camera for professionals(Nikon D810, Sony a7rII, Canon 5DS)

Just reminded me I still really want the RX1R II xD.

But yeah, 3k for even a TOTL iem is pretty crazy unless it handily surpasses all other existing flagships (NT6, SE5, Andro, MH335, etc.)

They will have to be truly astonishing to justify such a price tag.

 

[Ike1985]

Are the APEX modules plastic?

 

[Ike1985]

He's sponsored by 64audio, of course he's going to describe them with over the top hyperbole LOL.
For the 3k price they are potentially asking for, it better be a noticeable step up from my SE5 Ultimate.

One of you guys whose considering buying them should open them up so we can see whats inside, i'm curious as well.

 

[K RICHARDS]

Are the APEX modules plastic?

I just received the M20 modules about a week ago. They're made of some kind of metal,possibly aluminum. I feel the sound is a step up from tne S1. The sound just seems more open and has a crispness to the music. Bass seems tighter and has a faster pace to it. I bought them when they were 50% off, good deal. I run them balanced out of the Pono player.

 

[iFi audio]

  I'm having trouble imagining how these impedance matching circuits work without doing some simulation in PSpice
 
If I take an SE846 with notoriously low impedance (~ 4 Ohm at it's lowest) and use an impedance matching adapter, what will the effect be? Will the measured Frequency response be as if it was connected to a 3 Ohm output impedance source? Or does the output impedance of the amplifier on the input source still have an influence?
 
Thanks for the help!

To better visualize this, please see the included table. 
 
It compares the impact of the iEMatch in high and Ultra settings and of a "Impedance Adapter" with 33R on the frequency response as well as the respective SPL if using a Smartphone as source (appx 1V out) or a serious desktop Headphone Amp (appx. 10V out). 
 

 
Headphone is Shure SE846 based on inner fidelity measurements. As a general rule 3dB is considered the smallest difference in overall loudness that can reliably be identified. 
Though more recent research places this more at 1dB SPL Difference. Similar research suggests that changes in frequency response need to be beyond 1dB if affecting wide ranges of frequencies and between 3-6dB if affecting narrow ranges of frequencies.
 
As can be seen the 33R impedance adapter would produce gross changes in frequency response, with bass boosted 3dB and the presence region around 5kHz cut by 5dB. This ill drastically change the sound character of the headphone. 
 
In High sensitivity (which provides a comparable reduction in 1kHz SPL as the 33R adapter), iEMatch limits changes in frequency response to +0.8dB/-1.5dB which may just be at the edge of audibility, but is actually similar to the L/R differences in measured frequency response of the SE846 by inner fidelity. Using a Smart Phone with appx. 1V output will still raise 115dB Peak SPL, enough to ensure permanent hearing damage with long exposure.
 
In Ultra setting the iEMatch will change the frequency response by =0.3dB...-0.8dB, this will challenge the goldenest of ears to tell. In this case the SPL from a Smartphone at 1V SPL is reduced to 102dB, which may be a litte too low for head banging but will still produce SPL sufficient to damage your hearing with long exposure.
 
All the above applies to only and strictly the Shure SE846, as measured by Innerfidelity, many Headphones and IEM will show much less variation in impedance and hence much less variation in frequency response.

 

[iFi audio]

I bear immediate drops in sound quality on various iems, paired with various Daps and dacs, it does kill the hiss, it does that well, but at a heavy cost. Used with *burned in equipment* I reslly wanted it to work, I was very exited, but.... Just csnt sacrifice that much quality to keep it

I hear it's perfect for the 1964 line, which is great

Was the iEMatch burned in?

 

[maniac2003]

  The Fourte sounds like what I would like but I am just not ready to drop 3.5 K on an IEM, again. 

I agree, not going to pay that for a IEM/headphone whatever. Certainly not whithout hearing it first and that's unlikely going to happen.

 

[audionewbi]

I agree, not going to pay that for a IEM/headphone whatever. Certainly not whithout hearing it first and that's unlikely going to happen.

Even if I do hear and happen to love them I no longer will be willing to support such pricing. That is my personal view and I rather not discuss it in order to derail the topic.

I feel high price demands a higher transparency, convince me why i should pay that much for your product.

 

[parabellum777]

64 Audio IEM + Chord Mojo = 15% off

For example:

 

[jeffri]

Fair enough then.

Here's hoping 64 Ears at least gave Malaysia a chance to try the new flagships lol.

Something tells me the chances are extremely slim though.

The closest chance for us (I'm in neighboor Indonesia) will be at Can Jam Singapore I think, me and my friends are planning to go. I hope 64 Audio will be present there with the new Tia.

 

[Dithyrambes]

64 Audio IEM + Chord Mojo = 15% off

For example:

Dunno why you would buy the mojo....guess you can get an impedance adaptor like everyone is to fix the problem bass problem but its good savings overall.