1964 Ears Adel IEMs

[WCDchee]

Btw @crinacle, your measurement collection is pretty awesome, love it

 

[crinacle]

the soundstage is to me bigger and more precise in imaging a and layering than the andromeda. 

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One of my Favourite earphones is the Dita brass which I see you've measured. I'm a huge, huge fan of the ditas.

 
I think the Andromeda would be an interesting comparison considering that they make use of similar concepts in their technology, moving towards chamber acoustics rather than tubing. Also the Andromeda being this "benchmark" of TOTLs nowadays.
 
The Dita (all of them) didn't really stand out to me a lot. Great bass yes, but tickled my sibilance range (the Brass being the worst). Also the tuning can be a little niche and not as "one size fits all" as the Andro.
 

  Btw @crinacle, your measurement collection is pretty awesome, love it

 
Thanks! Once the U/A18 and Fourte demo sets reach my shores, I'll try to put out some curves.

 

[WCDchee]

   
I think the Andromeda would be an interesting comparison considering that they make use of similar concepts in their technology, moving towards chamber acoustics rather than tubing. Also the Andromeda being this "benchmark" of TOTLs nowadays.
 
The Dita (all of them) didn't really stand out to me a lot. Great bass yes, but tickled my sibilance range (the Brass being the worst). Also the tuning can be a little niche and not as "one size fits all" as the Andro.
 
 
Thanks! Once the U/A18 and Fourte demo sets reach my shores, I'll try to put out some curves.

I agree on the Ditas, theyre not the easiest to pair, and not the easiest on poorer recordings, but drive them well, and with great recordings, and they really sound big.
 
The andromeda and the Fourte actually have a slightly different approach, While they use resonating chambers, the Andromeda still uses normal BA drivers. The TIA drivers are very different. One thing about typical BA drivers is that, as the sound squeezes through a tiny aperture at the side of the BA, a certain amount of distortion happens. With the TIA drivers, the surface parallel to the armature is completely opened up, leading to a direct firing of the sound waves. The whole TIA driver is then placed in a particular resonance chamber to tune the sound, so in some ways somewhat similar concepts but in practice, not quite.
 
The Fourte to my ears, sounds at the very least just as open, if not more so than the Andromeda, imaging however is more precise. The bass is bigger, hits much, much harder and has a much bigger sub presence. The resolution of the Fourte is on another level as compared to the Andromeda as well. One thing that the Fourte does remarkably well, better than just about any earphone I've tried, (I find the Vega and the Dita Brass to do this very well too, the andromeda less so), is the physicality of the sound image. With the Andromeda, while imaging is precise, the sound doesn't have the same physical presence. When the vocals come on, I know its there, but i dont feel it being physically there. I don't know how to better describe it but that's one of the things that really defines a great earphone to me. Like most other BA earphones, the Andromeda also has to my ears a less dynamic sound, with a less impactful and snappy attack. I find most good dynamic earphones to do this better. Most people talk about impact only in the bass lines, but for me, listening to a lot of classical, I find the energy in the upper and mid registers, especially when the strings come on, to be lacking on most BA designs. This is one thing I love about the Dita Brass, on really energetic string passages, they just seem to explode out of thin air. The Fourte is one earphone which I have found to surpass the Brass on this aspect. Another is the KSE1500, but that's somewhat to be expected given the speed of electrostats.
 
Don't get me wrong, the Andromeda is one of my all time favourite earphones. I still use it all the time. But the Fourte is crazy. I really can't wait for more people to hear them!

 

[WCDchee]

I previously made a comment on how i was told that the universal demo version of the EE Zeus was very different from the custom version as noted by EE themselves from what a distributor told me. This was flagged up to me by the mods and after clarifying with Jack Vang himself it was found not to be true despite what the distributor told me.

I would like to apologise for that and retract that statement.

 

[PinkyPowers]

I previously made a comment on how i was told that the universal demo version of the EE Zeus was very different from the custom version as noted by EE themselves from what a distributor told me. This was flagged up to me by the mods and after clarifying with Jack Vang himself it was found not to be true despite what the distributor told me.

I would like to apologise for that and retract that statement.

Yeah, that didn't sound right to me when I read it.

 

[tim0chan]

Yeah, that didn't sound right to me when I read it.

It does to me as I have heard both the old demos of the spartan, my personal pair of custom spartans and the new demos

 

[WCDchee]

In any case let's leave the discussion of EE products to the EE thread

 

[JoeDoe]

Well, I like my U4-SE, but I don't quite love it. I think I'd prefer to sell, but if any of you U6, U8, U10, or U12 owners are interested in trading (whole or partial) let me know as the only part of the SE I'm not in love with is the low end. I prefer a little more bass than neutral so I'm looking for something with more bump!

 

[linux4ever]

  Well, I like my U4-SE, but I don't quite love it. I think I'd prefer to sell, but if any of you U6, U8, U10, or U12 owners are interested in trading (whole or partial) let me know as the only part of the SE I'm not in love with is the low end. I prefer a little more bass than neutral so I'm looking for something with more bump!

Which ADEL module are you using? Try it with S1 or G1 module or a MAM in 3/4 closed setting. The bass is more without spoiling the other frequencies. I've U4SE and U12. To my ears B1 kills a lot of bass even when it's in the song. That's not neutral in my opinion. Neutral should present everything as it is in the song.

 

[JoeDoe]

 
Which ADEL module are you using? Try it with S1 or G1 module or a MAM in 3/4 closed setting. The bass is more without spoiling the other frequencies. I've U4SE and U12. To my ears B1 kills a lot of bass even when it's in the song. That's not neutral in my opinion. Neutral should present everything as it is in the song.

Mine has the S1 already.

 

[seamon]

S1 is very dark. Try MAM

 

[Ike1985]

In any case let's leave the discussion of EE products to the EE thread

 
Comparisons are  valid when considering products, people can discuss as they wish so long as they don't violate the TOS.  This is a forum.  Should you also stop talking about Dita's or the KSE1500's since someone might buy those? 

 

[felixaaron]

I'm upgrading from U12 to A18. I will miss ADEL and my MAM.  I think APEX will suit me fine as I never listen at high volume. I'm in need of a better fit from the customs and I think that will outweigh the benefits of the MAM for me.  Anyone else in a similar situation?

 

[seamon]

Can anyone please recommend me a DAC+AMP for U12? Budget ~$500

 

[felixaaron]

I like my Oppo-HA2 DAC/AMP.  I have not, however, heard the U12s on another DAC/AMP.