☯️ Cavalli Audio's Liquid Carbon... a $599 Cavalli amp???
May 16, 2015 at 8:15 PM Post #1,501 of 5,932
So, you're getting a bigger amp than you thought.
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I'd say so, 1.5 W vs. 2.8 W is quite significant, especially if someone is planning on driving something like the HE-6 with the LC. Great News!
 
May 16, 2015 at 8:23 PM Post #1,502 of 5,932
  I'd say so, 1.5 W vs. 2.8 W is quite significant, especially if someone is planning on driving something like the HE-6 with the LC. Great News!

 
Well, I wouldn't bet the house on the HE-6, but this might be great with the T1...
 
May 16, 2015 at 8:24 PM Post #1,503 of 5,932
Hey gents, time for me to answer some of the questions.

First, all of my larger amps have offset detectors and delay circuits. These circuits are my own design and do a great job of protecting headphones from DC. Since most of the amps are DC coupled, any DC at the input goes right to the output only amplifier. But there is no room for these circuits in the Carbon so it doesn't have one.

One good side, however, is that the startup and shutdown transients are fairly low. I measured them on the pre-production board (which is not the proto board that has been in the amps at shows).

Start up transient less less than +500mV on the upswing and basically zero on the negative swing. This is both on and off.

Also, you can hot switch the gain (like in the larger amps). The blip when you go from 1x to 3x is no more than 400mV and from 3x to 1x it's about 200mV. For most conditions, you won't hear this much. Although sensitive IEMs are indeed a different game.

I wanted to talk about power output too. I've been holding back on you guys on the power output of the amp. Only a little though.

I've spec'd the amp a 1.5W continuous into 50R. In fact, it will do about 2.8W continuous into 50R.

Now, keep in mind that 1.5W and especially 2,8W is a lot of power. I don't know any headphones where this won't ring your bell and in most headphones it would be damaging.

However, what you really need the power for is, as you all know, the transients. Most of the time you're listening at fairly low power levels, but when the music creates a strong transient you need the amp to be able to respond.

The Carbon can respond with much more power than 1.5W. Also, we measured about .04% THD with 1kHz in driving 47.5R at 2.8W.

Now, you may be wondering can you use all of that 2.8W. And the answer is, if we were talking about sine waves, no. This is because the Carbon is so small that is has limited power dissipation capacity. This is really why I originally said 1.5W. Because this safe.

However, if the 2.8W only comes into play when you need it, the PD capacity is good enough.

So, you're getting a bigger amp than you thought. :beyersmile:


So does this mean it's going to be a good amps for HE-6's?
 
May 16, 2015 at 8:26 PM Post #1,504 of 5,932
HE6 are tough buggers to drive. I think you'll get good results maybe good enough results for you to be happy, but you won't get what the Liquid Gold will do with them. :)
 
May 16, 2015 at 8:29 PM Post #1,505 of 5,932
That is music to my ears!  Or Should I say, it will be music to my ears.  
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I'm currently using a Project Ember to drive my He-6 and am quite happy with the volume around 10 o'clock.  Can't wait!
 
May 16, 2015 at 8:31 PM Post #1,506 of 5,932
Here's some porn of the pre production board. This one has the switch indicator LEDs with light pipes below the switches. And the additional PS circuitry to reduce noise from the SE jack. Other than this, it's the same as the proto.
 
 
 

 

 
 
The bottom pic has the switches pressed in.
 
May 16, 2015 at 8:35 PM Post #1,507 of 5,932
have read some early impressions about the superb tonality of the LC amp.
 
Can anyone (with HE-560/planars) at the shows/meet comment on the LC soundstage or any "tube like" qualities of this SS amp?
 
thanks,
 
May 16, 2015 at 9:08 PM Post #1,508 of 5,932
  Hey gents, time for me to answer some of the questions.
 
First, all of my larger amps have offset detectors and delay circuits. These circuits are my own design and do a great job of protecting headphones from DC. Since most of the amps are DC coupled, any DC at the input goes right to the output only amplifier. But there is no room for these circuits in the Carbon so it doesn't have one.
 
One good side, however, is that the startup and shutdown transients are fairly low. I measured them on the pre-production board (which is not the proto board that has been in the amps at shows).
 
Start up transient less less than +500mV on the upswing and basically zero on the negative swing. This is both on and off.
 
Also, you can hot switch the gain (like in the larger amps). The blip when you go from 1x to 3x is no more than 400mV and from 3x to 1x it's about 200mV. For most conditions, you won't hear this much. Although sensitive IEMs are indeed a different game.
 
I wanted to talk about power output too. I've been holding back on you guys on the power output of the amp. Only a little though.
 
I've spec'd the amp a 1.5W continuous into 50R. In fact, it will do about 2.8W continuous into 50R.
 
Now, keep in mind that 1.5W and especially 2,8W is a lot of power. I don't know any headphones where this won't ring your bell and in most headphones it would be damaging.
 
However, what you really need the power for is, as you all know, the transients. Most of the time you're listening at fairly low power levels, but when the music creates a strong transient you need the amp to be able to respond.
 
The Carbon can respond with much more power than 1.5W. Also, we measured about .04% THD with 1kHz in driving 47.5R at 2.8W.
 
Now, you may be wondering can you use all of that 2.8W. And the answer is, if we were talking about sine waves, no. This is because the Carbon is so small that is has limited power dissipation capacity. This is really why I originally said 1.5W. Because this safe.
 
However, if the 2.8W only comes into play when you need it, the PD capacity is good enough.
 
So, you're getting a bigger amp than you thought.
beyersmile.png


Do you recommend leaving the headphones in the jack? If it's low enough that is.
 
May 16, 2015 at 9:20 PM Post #1,509 of 5,932
I think for most planars and dynamic headphones the transients will not be harmful.
 
I don't know for IEMs and anyone who uses IEMs should think about it.
 
BTW, I forget mention in that post that these transients are at each output. If you're plugged into the balanced out the transient will be much lower since it is commode mode to both outputs of each channel. Probably 100mV or less.
 
May 16, 2015 at 9:30 PM Post #1,510 of 5,932
  I think for most planars and dynamic headphones the transients will not be harmful.
 
I don't know for IEMs and anyone who uses IEMs should think about it.
 
BTW, I forget mention in that post that these transients are at each output. If you're plugged into the balanced out the transient will be much lower since it is commode mode to both outputs of each channel. Probably 100mV or less.


Fair enough. I don't think I'll leave my IEMs in but I'm just wary for cause I'm used to leaving my headphones plugged in.
 
May 16, 2015 at 9:44 PM Post #1,511 of 5,932
So it is a litle weak for the HE-6 then?

Have anyone had a listening with the HE-6 and the LC yet?

OT
PS Alex

I have order a LC for 1 mounth ago, but i have not have a confirmation email that i have payed or got a order nr?

Its that because i live outside the US ?

You can make me a PM if you want.

/ Fredrik Lindqvist
 
May 16, 2015 at 9:49 PM Post #1,512 of 5,932
Yes we have it. Along with the confirmation email that copies to us. Check your ISP spam filters. This has been the common issue when folks have not received their email.
 
May 16, 2015 at 9:51 PM Post #1,513 of 5,932
So it is a litle weak for the HE-6 then?

Have anyone had a listening with the HE-6 and the LC yet?

OT
 

 
I wouldn't necessarily say that. It might do pretty well. But, HE6 does suck power so it won't do the same as an amp like the LAu with 3 times the power.
 
May 16, 2015 at 10:30 PM Post #1,514 of 5,932
  Here's some porn of the pre production board. This one has the switch indicator LEDs with light pipes below the switches. And the additional PS circuitry to reduce noise from the SE jack. Other than this, it's the same as the proto.
 
 
 

 

 
 
The bottom pic has the switches pressed in.

Maybe post a pic with the rest of the components in there as well? 
 
May 16, 2015 at 10:51 PM Post #1,515 of 5,932
HE6 are tough buggers to drive. I think you'll get good results maybe good enough results for you to be happy, but you won't get what the Liquid Gold will do with them. :)

 


Fair point, but I will rest easier knowing they should have no problem with the HE1000's I'm getting, wasn't quite sure if 1.5W would do it but 2.8W should be no problem.
 

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