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  1. Wiljen
    Onkyo DP-S1 - Jekyll & Hyde DAP
    Written by Wiljen
    Published Apr 25, 2018
    2.5/5,
    Pros - Good sound quality with ample storage.
    Cons - Poorly implemented UI and data entry makes use painful at best.
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    I recently purchased a couple DAPs including the Onkyo Dp-S1. This is the twin of the Pioneer XDp-30R but has a few distinct differences. This is not in the least surprising since Onkyo purchased Pioneer’s AV department in 2014. Since I bought the product from another head-fi member, I will skip the unboxing.



    Build:
    The body of the Dp-S1 is a metal frame with a glass front that leaves about ½ cm of metal on the right side of the screen. This strip down the right hand side houses the volume wheel near the top and the hold button at the bottom edge.
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    On the left side, starting at the bottom we have two micro-sd card slots built into the metal frame and then the controls (reverse, play/pause, forward) are mounted in an L Shaped plastic bracket.

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    The top half of the L has balanced output (2.5mm), Single ended output (3.5mm), the reset port, and the power button from left to right. On my sample the power button was not perfectly aligned with the housing and could have been better fitted.

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    The back of the player has a simulated crinkled black leather cover over the metal framework. While not particularly good looking, the leather back does keep the player from sliding around on the dash or desk so at least it serves a purpose.

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    A single micro-usb port on the bottom of the player handles data transfer and charging details.

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    While the glass face covers the entire front of the player, the screen is only roughly ½ the height (2.4 inches) of the player as it is offset from the top a bit over 1/3 inch and the bottom leaves a full inch of unused space. The screen is also lower resolution than most today at 320x240 which gives it a dated feel as nothing as is crisp as it could be were a better display implemented. If you had an iPod in 2008, you’ll recognize the display on the Onkyo it definitely could use an update


    Internals:
    The DP-s1 sports 16gig of internal memory so can be used without adding a card to either of the micro-sd slots if desired. The DAC function is provided by two Sabre ES9018c2m chips with different clock sources for 44.1 and 48 kHz respectively. Amplification is provided by a pair of Sabre 9601k chips giving the DP-s1 a true balanced path all the way through the player (unlike Fiio’s latest faux pas) This gives the Dp-s1 support for up to and including 32bit/192kHz files. File types supported include DSD (up to 5.6MHz files), FLAC, ALAC, AIFF, AAC, and Mp3. MQA support is claimed on the Onkyo website but the fine print says a future firmware update will introduce it (this is disappointing as no updates have been given and the player is now a year old.)


    Bluetooth support (non-AptX) and wifi (2.4 and 5gHz antennas) are both cooked in as well. Streaming is limited to Tidal, Tunein, and Deezer. Onkyo also has its own dapcontroller smartphone app (ios/android) that provides functions similar to Hibylink found on some other brands of DAP.


    Battery life is good with an average of 8-9 hours of playback on a 4 hour charge.


    Controls / UI:


    The main menu displays the choices of Local file playback (Library), Streaming (Online), and then a set of 6 buttons to control wifi, bluetooth, settings, turn line out on or off, change modes on balanced, and adjust the EQ. At the bottom of the screen is a scroll of what is currently playing. Clicking any of these options opens additional menus.

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    Looking first at local playback, when you open the library, you are presented with folders, playlists, artist, albums, songs, or genres to choose from. The bad news is no search function exists so you are stuck scrolling through tracks or artists to find what you are looking for.

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    Online presents options for tunein, deezer, and tidal.

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    Signing in on any of these is problematic as the method of entering usernames and passwords is just plain archaic. Imagine texting with a flip phone and you have data entry on the Dp-S1. This is quite possibly the worst feature of the Dp-s1. If your wifi has any special characters in the SSID or the passphrase you can forget. I finally gave up and just connected the device to my guest network that has a simple alphanumeric passphrase as I could not find any way to get the Onkyo to produce the pipe symbol (|) or the ampersand (&).


    The UI is very responsive with the exception of the loading your SD cards. While I had no trouble getting the little Onkyo to read cards as big as 256gb, anything over 32gb involved giving the player an extended period of time to load. This is not an uncommon trait but again it seems like while other players are evolving in this respect, the Onkyo is stuck with 2008 level performance. The player is also missing gapless playback which again seems like it is stuck a generation behind other players.


    As a simple player for stored files, the player works well enough and some of the options are quite intuitive in contrast to some of the earlier mentioned problems. For example when a song is playing touching anywhere on the album art will pause the track. The ability to move forward or back within a song by dragging your finger left or right over the bar works better than expected, and the equalizer is easy to use. The hold function makes it easy to set the player up for in-pocket use as the screen is disabled so only the physical controls are applicable. If you’ve ever had a dap jump around between 4 different songs in 10 seconds while in a shirt pocket, you’ll certainly appreciate the hold feature. It is an odd dichotomy for certain.


    It seems like a lot of the issues could be cured by firmware updates and with the promise of MQA meaning at least one new firmware version is in the works, it is my hope that they will improve some of these other aspects in the process.


    Sound:


    Well as poor as the overall UI is, the sound on the little Onkyo is very good. Having owned the Pioneer version the XDP-30r, I can say the DP-S1 is not just a rehash of the pioneer version. The Onkyo has a bigger soundstage and is more dynamic than its Pioneer sibling. In the overall, the Onkyo is the more refined of the pair as regards sound quality. (Again odd as Pioneer has a better UI albeit not by a lot). The things that were most noticeable to me were little details like when listening to the Blasters, the singer is a bit farther in front of the piano than on the Pioneer. I also noticed that the dynamics were better on the Onkyo than the Pioneer particularly on the low end. Both players are capable of belting out the loud passages but the Onkyo does a more eloquent job of handling the quiet moments while the Pioneer seems a tad more muscular at the expense of not being as graceful.


    I was able to detect a slight hiss when pairing high gain mode with my most sensitive iems (Magaosi K5) but it was less pronounced than on several other players. Moving to mid-gain removes any hint of noise and even with the volume cranked to max with nothing playing there is no audible noise.


    On the other end of the spectrum, I tried and failed to use a 600 Ohm Beyer 990. The little Onkyo just doesn’t have the chops for anything over about 150 Ohm and struggles with getting all the details out of those. This isn’t surprising as it is a portable DAP designed for use with iems, but it is noteworthy for those who might want to use full-sized cans with their DAP.


    The DP-s1 has a number of ways to alter the sound if you don’t like the sound as it comes out of the box. First off, the DP-s1 exposes the Sabre’s digital filter options of sharp, slow, and short delay slow. This gives you the ability to shape the sound directly at the DAC.

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    In addition to the filters, the DP-s1 has upsampling capability and Hi-bit 32 to re-quantitize 16 and 24 bit tracks to 32 bit. According to Onkyo, this smooths out some rough spots in 16 bit tracks. (I wasn’t able to tell a difference during listening with this feature on or off). Others may be able to discern the differences but to my ear they were so small as to question if I was hearing a difference or hoping for one.


    A 10 band graphic EQ gives you fine tooth control of the sound and a 6 level bass boost gives even more choices. I found that even the most ardent bass head would likely be happy with a level of 4. Anything beyond that muddied the sound so thoroughly as to be unusable. At levels 4 and below, the bass boost did a good job of lifting frequencies below 200Hz although personal preference would have been for a lift below 100Hz and for that reason I left it turned off during most listening sessions.

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    Streaming:


    The Tunein radio and Tidal both worked exactly as expected and the only major downside is that without using the Tidal’s Android or IOS app, none of the players have the ability to use Tidal offline. This is more a limitation of Tidal itself, but is annoying for those used to using it on other devices.


    Conclusions:


    The Onkyo Dp-s1 is a Jekyll and Hyde proposition. Sound wise, the little player is easily amongst the best I have heard and can compete with the likes of the Shanling M2s and the Cayin N3. UI wise, the DP-s1 is more in the class with Benjie, AGPtek, and Zishan. It is about as polished a sound as it is unpolished an app. If you want a DAP to play songs from a playlist or randomly while at work, you could enjoy the DP-s1 for its basic functionality and sound quality but if you wish to do lots of searches to pick songs or really utilize streaming sources, the UI makes it very tough. Seven years ago, this would have been a top of the line product, but in 2018 it simply is outclassed by products that retail for a good bit less. Onkyo needs to redesign the UI to match the sound for their next player.

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    2. Wiljen
      Yep, its on 1.21 - I'm hoping 1.22 has some major improvements particularly in data entry as it was brutal to try and enter complex passwords with the circa 2004 flip phone texting method.
      Wiljen, Apr 25, 2018
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    3. kukkurovaca
      MQA added months ago according to the firmware change log. It's definitely showing MQA when playing Tidal masters on the current firmware.
      kukkurovaca, Apr 25, 2018
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    4. Wiljen
      Tried to reload firmware and it tells me no update is available so I guess I am stuck until another version comes out as it has no provision to reinstall an existing or go back to an earlier one that I can find.
      Wiljen, Apr 25, 2018
  2. gemmoglock
    Class-leading sound for its price and size
    Written by gemmoglock
    Published Apr 24, 2018
    4.5/5,
    Pros - Sound, snappy UI, fast library scan, 2 balanced modes
    Cons - Flimsy volume wheel, limited wireless functionality, average screen and battery life, rubato is a meaningless name for a DAP
    I stumbled upon the DP-S1 "Rubato", the twin of the Pioneer XDP-30R (Onkyo and Pioneer are now merged) when browsing online. I purchased it online when it was on offer, not knowing how amazing the sound would be.

    Let's start with the most important part - the sound.

    Sound
    Mostly listening with my Mee Pinnacle PX, it is clean and analytical. It's boring but in a perfectly good way. Nothing is forward so it is not the most suited for listening in noisy environments. I'm not treble shy so YMMV, but I hear no 'SABRE glare', it is nicely balanced through the spectrum. I would say it is a little laid back compared to my V20, another SABRE powered audio device. I generally found the upsampling/32bit upscaling of minimal improvement to the sound, often making files sound a touch more 'digital' with less natural decay etc.

    But when you have good isolation or have a quiet environment - the neutral retrieval of all detail really comes to the fore. Dynamics also shine at their best, I was blown away by a DSD album of Arabella Steinbacher's Brahms Violin Sonatas. Not because of the DSD format, but because the abundant dynamic range of the recording reproduced by the DP-S1 almost feels like I'm in a live environment. Soundstage - Led Boots by Hiromi has really nice movement across and around the stage.

    I like that there are 2 balanced modes. See how it works (sourced from the DP-X1 product page as it works similarly):
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    ACG (Active Control Ground) is wonderful especially for efficient IEMs, since the power gains of BTL aren't necessary. It also happens to be the best way to get both DACs running without affecting the amplitude of the curve like BTL does. This is useful as in single-ended unbalanced mode, it has been confirmed by Onkyo and Pioneer that only one DAC is active for the same amplitude. I didn't hear a huge difference between both but ACG appeared to be slightly more well extended and worked well when listening to very dynamic pieces like the Steinbacher album mentioned previously.

    All these tech jargon only matters up to a point. As ohm-image has summarised clearly in their review (and Headfonia edition) - the single ended output of this DP-S1 is so good and comparable with the DP-X1, balanced barely improves compared to unbalanced.

    Now that the most important part - sound has been reviewed, I'll just briefly cover other areas.

    Other Areas - build, usage, purchase
    Noise floor - nothing audible for the Earwerkz Supra, my most sensitive IEM. No resampling to worry about either because of the custom OS.
    Battery life - 15 hours must be kidding, but 10 hours is very safe
    Build - nice heft and constructed from one piece of metal, but the volume wheel feels flimsy. Great experience but hope it lasts. Apparently it was improved in the facelifted Japan-only DP-S1A (Use Google Chrome's translation on the product page and article). The lock button is really nifty.
    Screen - if you thought Fiio screens on their entry levels were bad, think again (see picture below). But the saving grace is the extremely responsive touchscreen, allowing me to scrobble, scroll and navigate snappily throughout on the custom OS. I purchased a tempered glass screen protector from one of the vendors on Taobao.
    Bluetooth - nothing fancy, only SBC codec. Mainly used for pairing with Onkyo's smartphone app for convenient basic controls.
    Dual SD Cards - haven't seen anything in the 200USD range with this. I use MusicBee to sync my microSD card directly rather than using Onkyo's software. Reads faster directly compared to through a USB connection to the player. The DP-S1 scans libraries really quickly.
    Purchase - wait for Newegg/Amazon to drop offers around 180-200USD. Mine was fulfilled by Electronics Expo, no delivery delays. New units, but from very old excess stock - mine powered on with 1.03 US firmware which is pretty much one of the earliest FW compared to 1.21 at the time I received the unit.

    Extremely brief comparisons from memory
    Take an large pinch of salt because they are NOT A/B comparisons. They should only be used to help identify things to compare when you demo these DAPs sometime.

    Xiaomi Mi4 - DPS1 is better in every imaginable way save convenience, duh
    V20 - DPS1 is more neutral, but I would be splitting hairs and V20 only very slightly bumps the mid bass and treble to my ears. DPS1 is more laid back but gains more details as a result, and has a 'softer' tone as a result ideal for long/analytical listening. V20 is a touch brighter.
    Cayin N3 and Shanling M3S: From my very very brief demo, I recall N3 being more closed in and less extended, while Shanling M3S was similar in the laid-back, non-lush sound approach. Nicer screen but harder to navigate with just that rotating click wheel for the M3S, irritating haptic keys on the N3.
    Fiio X1 II - more forward but treble is less even and staging/dynamics are flatter than the DPS1. Both have equally uninspiring screens. Touch UI on the DP-S1 is way snappier.
    Hiby R3 - watch this space for updates. Reviews of the R3 suggest I will regret the switch of sound quality, but let's see when I get my hands on the R3.

    Conclusion
    I have been really impressed with my brief time with the DP-S1, and will definitely be keeping an eye on new product launches from them. It actually made me look out for high resolution/dynamic range recordings to listen again closely. So long as you can deal with a basic OS and take care of the DAP well, the sound is above its class (think Fiio X3 III, Shanling M2s). I can't imagine how the DP-S1A will sound better, but I definitely recommend holding off unless it drops to the same price levels of the DP-S1.

    Thanks for reading! Read more about how the DP-S1 was designed and tuned compared to the XDP-30R Pioneer twin here (translation required).

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    [DP-S1 on 3.5mm line-out. Gain settings are still adjustable.]

    Edit: Suprised by the frontpage appearance. Thanks Headfi and cheers to the community!
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    2. gerbi
      Rubato means "stolen" in Italian so it's a silly name for a DAP
      gerbi, May 1, 2018
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    3. gemmoglock
      Yes, or free time for musicians. Both are extremely silly for a DAP :wink: @gerbi
      gemmoglock, May 1, 2018
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    4. trellus
      Firmware 1.30 released Sept 2018 - release notes say it has added aptX HD support, so a big upgrade from SBC for sure.
      trellus, Dec 12, 2018
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