Loving the Creative Outlier Air, it can't go wrong. Great features, sound, no fatigue, fit, confort, batery.

Thanks, will received mine Creative Outlier Air today.

What TWS did you get?

Arrived qian39. Still in competition with ShE3800, q39 being more in you face and clean & SHE3800 more recess and dark. I prefer SHE3800 for long relax audition and qian39 for excitement moments.

I hope so, because out they box it isn't greater.

I have that foams too, Will try it when i went at home.

Received my HD today the sound is not bad at all, i'm using the Sony hybrid tips. Bert nove too with JVC spiral for tips. With stock tips the sound degrades a lot and doesn't show the best of this iem.

It's very strange, or you have a faulty pair, the SHE3800 has a more close-up iem high-end sound (nota being) than the **** PT15 that you find amazing. The high-end signatures doesn't usually hurt the ears the way PT15 hurt.

Already arrived, they are colder and sharper than the SHE3800 that i taste more

It is difficult for me to hear the same iem/buds for a whole day, having the IE800 for pleasure hearing, but the SHE3800 are the first ones with this capacity, not that they are as good as the IE800 but because it has a very good sound, not fatiguing, and somehow similar, and for the low price...

Unfortunately there has always been something we hate at any iem we buy.

Good news then. For the price i paid for MX985 i hate them for the bad fit/confort they have i think is caused by the big height of mental parts.

Yes they are, and im very positive impressed. Yeap qian are on way too. :)

This, for sure they made that short nozzle to improve the signature they in minds for ie800, common tips length would kill they purpose.

Very very good. Much better than PT15 and i envy that my MX985 doesn't have such good comfort and fit, they lose so much points for that.

Spinfit fits very well but kill the best sq of ie800, comply tips too. Stock tips is the way to go.

My little mod using inverted tips to improve the fit of PT15 on the ear.

I would also love to be able to make comparisons with my incredible IE800, even with the sound of HD600, Kxx, and others wouldn't be fair, they would be overwhelmed by the quality sound of the IE800. Who gives negative opinions to the Cs that point me a closed below 100$ better than the...

Without PS4/Xbox? I think they killed the product at birth.

Some charm to enjoy the IE800 and a good glass of wine with eyes closed https://open.spotify.com/album/7KLIbrPZohtUcmsJJcdpSs :)

I received PT15 today, and they are not bad for the price, lot of definition for an earbuds. Too bad I had bad fit on the left ear with the MX985 and also PT15, heavier earbuds. How do you wear earbuds, stuck in your ear or just hanging on ear? mm

AKG K702 didn't need burn-in?

Thanks, yeah i have some of those coming in next days.

Could anyone point me to the main differences in sound between the PT15, Qian39, E808+ and SHE3800?

Let it burn they will open very well.