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May 24, 2017 at 11:05 AM Post #691 of 23,562
Can I ask: What does Tzar mean? Because I guess that Fourté is a mixture of "four" and "forte", but what does Tzar mean? The one who guesses right gets a "like" from me hehehe
And when are the reviews and comparisons coming in? Im starving! :wink:
 
May 24, 2017 at 11:16 AM Post #692 of 23,562
I think at Null Audio preorder price is 2399SGD

Can I ask: What does Tzar mean? Because I guess that Fourté is a mixture of "four" and "forte", but what does Tzar mean? The one who guesses right gets a "like" from me hehehe
And when are the reviews and comparisons coming in? Im starving! :wink:

The founder of 64 from the former Soviet Union not sure what country but Tzar is title of the ruler of Russia before 1917 also know as czar, that my guess that where he get that name
 
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May 24, 2017 at 11:41 AM Post #694 of 23,562
The founder of 64 from the former Soviet Union not sure what country but Tzar is title of the ruler of Russia before 1917 also know as czar, that my guess that where he get that name

Good guess! I like

A18 review

https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/64-audio-1964-ears-a18-tzar.22271/reviews#review-18444

Accept my apologies for the lack of aesthetics, the new site butchered my reviews which were done prior to the update.

For sure I have already read your review. Thanks! But want more :) @Barra ´s review is overdue, isn´t it? :wink:
 
May 24, 2017 at 2:05 PM Post #696 of 23,562
May 24, 2017 at 2:17 PM Post #697 of 23,562
I have received the Tour Package, 1 Brand new Tia Forte and 1 brand new U18. Let the burn in begin, going for 100 hours. Never burned in 2 headphones at the same time, good thing mojo has dual 3.5's.
 
May 24, 2017 at 2:20 PM Post #698 of 23,562
I have received the Tour Package, 1 Brand new Tia Forte and 1 brand new U18. Let the burn in begin, going for 100 hours. Never burned in 2 headphones at the same time, good thing mojo has dual 3.5's.

:) finaly we will get comparaisons between those 2 TOL ..
 
May 24, 2017 at 4:22 PM Post #699 of 23,562
I can give you some very preliminary (and not entirely accurate since Tia Forte isn't burnt in) comparisons: (done with Chord Mojo, Jriver MC21 bitperfect and SPL meter for volume matching)

A18w/M15 vs Tia Forte...

Ray Charles - Genius Loves Company 24/192 (this is the most well recorded song I've ever heard in my life and I've heard a lot of audiophile recordings on competent setups, it is a good mix of male and female vocals with everything else being exceptional as well):
A18 w/M15: More analytical, less umph in the lower mids than Tia Forte. Male and female vocals sound balanced with regard to presence and both are slightly more forward than Forte. Images have very very slightly more texture (maybe 1-2%), but also have the good solidity of Forte as well.
Tia Forte: Lower mids have a vibratory feel to them, more body and weight than A18. I would have expected Forte to have less resolution but it's holding it's own vs A18 in detail reproduction; it's just a different presentation, maybe 1-2% difference on high definition resolution/textures-Forte can hang with A18 in detail. Male vocals sound a tiny bit more forward than female vocals on Forte. Images have more solidity on Forte, more weight; the little guitar fiddling at the end of the song causes what feels like tactile/vibratory bass on the Forte whereas on A18 it's less impactful.

Lenny White - Stank (Binaural) 24/176
A18 w/M15
: A18 has more sub bass umph and power with the super deep drums played at 4:08. Both are exceptional with regard to sound stage imaging, layering and separation.
Tia Forte: Seems to have more space between the sounds at the very edges of the stage, for example there is a set of hand drums played at about the 1:25 mark where the drums are configured such that they are attached sideways to each other, but in reference to the microphone they are like this: (M is microphone)

.............................................. D1
.............................................. D2
......................M.....................D3
.............................................. D4
...............................................D5

The Forte makes it more noticeable that they are in series vertically(there's slightly more stage height/vertical space between D1 and D2, etc) , the A18 reproduces this stage height and positioning effect as well it just jumps out at you less. It's more obvious with Forte. Forte has less umph with the super deep drums at 4:08 and that less umph allows more reverb to shine through-the deep drum is also less impactful than with A18.

Mark Nauseef - Gears 16/44 (drum test):
A18 w/M15: A18 goes deeper in tone with regard to sub bass, more weight in the lowest frequencies. The cymbals (I think) at the 4:00 mark have less sparkle on A18, they are more centered in the mids and upper mids.
Tia Forte: Forte has less tactile/impactful sub bass, favoring detail in decay instead of umph. More of the sparkle of the cymbals (or maybe triangle?) at 4:00 mark comes through with Forte, this instrument is more centered in upper mids and highs with Forte.

Lindsey Webster - Back To Your Heart 16/44:
A18 w/M15:
Bass is more visceral, fatter and hits harder with A18.
Tia Forte: Her voice goes slightly higher with the Forte.

Agalloch - In the Shadow Of Our Pale Companion 24/192
A18 w/M15
: there is a very faint low volume growl almost Buddhist monk sounding at about the 7:00mark, with A18 there is more other stuff happening around the sonic image making it's image solidity and audibility less.
Forte: Easier to pickup this low growl, more clarity around the sonic image and more image solidity to the growl.

General Observations:
+ People were saying Forte has more bass, I'd say it has a slight mid bass bump but overall and especially in sub bass A18 punches, slams and rumbles harder this could be because of the custom fit of the A18 although I did a seal test with Forte and it passed. I will be able to look into this more tomorrow when I've heard U18.
+ I haven't listened to U18 yet, it's burning in.
+ The 64 audio premium cable is totally transparent, doesn't color the sound in any way, seems to allow the monitor to show it's natural tuning, a good reference point.
+ Both are exceptional monitors with transparency, naturalness, imaging, layering and separation that beat anything I've heard before, likely the Tia driver is responsible for this.
+ Mojo sounds incredible with these new 64 Audio IEMs, imagine Hugo 2....
+ A18 is thicker in the sub bass areas, Tia forte is thicker in the mid bass.
+ These observations are totally preliminary and subject to change after burn in with Forte.
+ Having heard Forte...I like it and it is spectacular but since I own and love A18 I feel like it has everything I need as well and I am tempted by Forte but also simultaneously content with A18-it has a more visceral low end.
+ Tia Forte is also very fast sounding like A18, it can keep up just fine-it is BIG and dynamic but NOT sluggish
+ What @Barra said about wanting to jump on the table and air guitar with Forte is 100% true it's similar to the best tube amp you've ever heard: massive, weighty, dynamic. There's something behind the sound, something vibratory and it's acting like an amplifier, very hard to describe.
+ They both sound quite similar in many ways and possess the same technical capabilities which are without a doubt TOTL in every category.

Keep an eye out for my forthcoming reviews of U18 and Tia Forte. It'll be probably 3 weeks. 1 week to listen and write down all the notes I can, another week to compile and write the review, another week to put it all together with photos and formatting.
 
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May 24, 2017 at 4:47 PM Post #702 of 23,562
Thanks for the first comparison. Wonder how the A18 sub bass and the mid bass hits with the M20 module compared to the Fourte?

With what I know about the M20 (I own it) I'd say theres no question it will increase bass quantity and deepen bass tone. The more visceral deeper sub bass I'm reporting with A18 could be from the custom fit as well. I will be able to better answer if that is the case when I've heard U18 tomorrow.
 
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May 24, 2017 at 11:00 PM Post #703 of 23,562
With what I know about the M20 (I own it) I'd say theres no question it will increase bass quantity and deepen bass tone. The more visceral deeper sub bass I'm reporting with A18 could be from the custom fit as well. I will be able to better answer if that is the case when I've heard U18 tomorrow.

I have switched to the M20 since the 3rd day of owning my U18 and never looked back. To me M15 isolation is marginally mediocre (regardless of the seal) and while it is perfectly alright in quieter environment quite too much bass response is chopped off when commuting or on the go. The M20 on the other hand offers more isolation, more solid bass response (no necessarily more quantum-wise) while keeping all other frequencies unaffected, and overall more suitable for listening on the go.
 
May 25, 2017 at 1:33 AM Post #704 of 23,562
Would love any comparisons to the Zeus XRA re the Fourte or the A18.

I am also very interested in whether or not people think that the Apex system reduces the 'pressure' (for lack of a better word) as much as the Adel system.

After further demo'ing of high end cans yesterday I have decided not to go down that path so it is now out of these 64 Audio products or maybe the Lab 2 (completely different I know).
 
May 25, 2017 at 2:32 AM Post #705 of 23,562
One thing that I would like to commend on 64 Audio is the size of the Tia Fourte - especially when I compare it with the size of my Layla. It is amazing that such a small IEM can produce the sound that has surpassed the Layla in terms of musicality, resolution and bass.
 
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