Zeos Sound Demo comparisons (MDR-Z1R, LCD-4, Elear, EL-8C, M1060, L700, L300, M40x)
May 13, 2018 at 5:28 PM Post #16 of 49
I did have a gripe about zeos review style, which is entertaining if nothing else

I actually really do love his sound demos and think they are very helpful- I hear qualities of the headphones that I’ve owned extensively in his demos for sure
 
May 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM Post #18 of 49
Morning Head-fi. Here is the deal. I usually only hype things worth hyping (Cheap+Good). I never lie about what I think about something. I only make 20% of my monthly views on the videos I release in that month. So having a library that stretches back 700 videos full of me ripping people off for clicks would easily ruin my reputation because comments exist and so do dislikes.

I will admit I could be more consistent with amps on sound demo's and on tracks used but if there is a new toy that is higher end then what I have OR want to sort of give a "sound demo" of an amp putting it on the table for SD's is nice. Plus I would blow my brains out if I had to do ever sound demo to the same songs. I tried leaving the first 6 songs the same for every demo and my god.. the agony.

I see the mention of "professional reviewer" a lot and by no means is that what I want to be. I started this whole endeavor with ZERO intent on becoming anything like the "pro" reviewers kicking around 5 years ago. I started it because of them. Their stuffy attitudes and boring reads or text write-ups that fail to inspire. Everyone getting in front of the camera trying to be a YouTube Star! Making Thumbnails with gaping mouths because VIEWS! If I wanted to be more popular I would shorten my videos and write a script. I don't. I like being able to answer all my comments.

Most importantly in this post will be the line below. It is what I tell myself every day to stay grounded...

"THIS IS A HOBBY AND IS REALLY NOT ALL THAT IMPORTANT". (waits for ban)

I have plenty of hobbies and while I love each of them, none are worth getting into any legit "need therapy" levels of obsession/bankruptcy/arguments over. I enjoy listening to music and hate seeing people get ripped off. There are no life and death decisions in buying headphones! Peoples tastes differ (T90's murder) and I cant be right all the time but return policies/ebay are made for that. I just state my opinions and wait for people to agree with me or call me a shill. I don't dip too far into the pro end where mastering would actual matter to someone's lively-hood and I don't have the skills accommodate that.

("this mix is awful Johnson! You are F__king Fired")

I put the anime girls up and make the dirty jokes and use a vomit inducing headcam for 30 minutes unedited to try and chase off professionals or people who take this hobby way too seriously. If I have offended you for any of the above reasons.. That is by design. I started this thing as a novice with no experience not looking to invest 6 hours of editing for a 10 minute review for 40 people on the internet to watch. I still believe that is the case. That old saying of "fake it till you make it" has sort of rung true for me, 5 years, hundreds of headphones and speakers in and out of my apartment, trips to every audio/canjam show and giving honest buying advice, free of being a sell out, has given me a rather unique look at this world. Some choose to see the ugliness in this world. (me) and I ignore it mostly because music is fun and so is dancing.

I never saw 100k subs coming but it took so long to get here I hardly noticed. I'm not trying to be better than others at reviewing headphones. Just being myself and trying to smile while doing it. As soon as I consider Z Review my job is the moment I start hating my job.

So peace out. I only stop by here like once a year because most people here are nuts. And while I came here for an Argument, I usually end up in abuse. [/MontyPythonReference]
 
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May 15, 2018 at 10:46 AM Post #19 of 49

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May 15, 2018 at 11:09 AM Post #20 of 49
As a reviewer, he's useless (more or less, like 90% of audio reviewers, but to a higher degree), however, I think he's funny.
The sound demos are a good idea but you'll get a 5% (a 5.1264% to be exact :o2smile:) of the sound signature of the headphones, he also uses low-fi DACs and headphone amps, good headphones change character/perform better or worse with different equipment, keep that in mind, some of them even sound like a completely different thing with some higher quality equipment.
The biggest lie ever perpetuated in this hobby.
 
May 15, 2018 at 11:14 AM Post #21 of 49
Also, just want to clarify that while I don’t always leave a review knowing how a headphone sounds, I know I’m going to know if you like the cable or not, and they are always fun to watch
 
May 15, 2018 at 11:16 AM Post #22 of 49
Also, just want to clarify that while I don’t always leave a review knowing how a headphone sounds, I know I’m going to know if you like the cable or not, and they are always fun to watch

Definitely fun to watch! And he'll rat out a bad cable for sure...
 
May 15, 2018 at 12:18 PM Post #23 of 49
No one here really likes Zeos... He doesn't know much about audio...
Please speak for yourself.

Provide details why your opinions matter more than his?

Also, please provide evidance of him being paid by companies for reviews. There's plenty of that goes on here with arbitrary reviewers and review samples that do not provide realistic/balanced reviews. I don't see anything in his reviews that he is not being honest with himself.

Are your reviews transparent and honest? Do you get review samples? I've read plenty of reviews and I know what reviews come off strightforward or not.

I personally like his review style and I like the straightforwardness of his statements.

When you read a lot of reviews from these so called reviewers, you can point out what they are hiding, using arbitrary wording that has no meaning. That's worse than an opinion that may not the most popular.
 
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May 15, 2018 at 12:25 PM Post #24 of 49
Yeah, I don't think he gets paid by companies for his reviews. :D. Even the headphones he praises --- he will in the same review often blast the manufacturer (arguably even too harshly) for one aspect of the headphones (sometimes just the cable). Also, sometimes he will skewer one set of headphones from a manufacturer and praise another. I just don't see the evidence that he is a paid shill at all.
 
May 15, 2018 at 12:59 PM Post #26 of 49
Morning Head-fi. Here is the deal. I usually only hype things worth hyping (Cheap+Good). I never lie about what I think about something. I only make 20% of my monthly views on the videos I release in that month. So having a library that stretches back 700 videos full of me ripping people off for clicks would easily ruin my reputation because comments exist and so do dislikes.

I will admit I could be more consistent with amps on sound demo's and on tracks used but if there is a new toy that is higher end then what I have OR want to sort of give a "sound demo" of an amp putting it on the table for SD's is nice. Plus I would blow my brains out if I had to do ever sound demo to the same songs. I tried leaving the first 6 songs the same for every demo and my god.. the agony.

I see the mention of "professional reviewer" a lot and by no means is that what I want to be. I started this whole endeavor with ZERO intent on becoming anything like the "pro" reviewers kicking around 5 years ago. I started it because of them. Their stuffy attitudes and boring reads or text write-ups that fail to inspire. Everyone getting in front of the camera trying to be a YouTube Star! Making Thumbnails with gaping mouths because VIEWS! If I wanted to be more popular I would shorten my videos and write a script. I don't. I like being able to answer all my comments.

Most importantly in this post will be the line below. It is what I tell myself every day to stay grounded...

"THIS IS A HOBBY AND IS REALLY NOT ALL THAT IMPORTANT". (waits for ban)

I have plenty of hobbies and while I love each of them, none are worth getting into any legit "need therapy" levels of obsession/bankruptcy/arguments over. I enjoy listening to music and hate seeing people get ripped off. There are no life and death decisions in buying headphones! Peoples tastes differ (T90's murder) and I cant be right all the time but return policies/ebay are made for that. I just state my opinions and wait for people to agree with me or call me a shill. I don't dip too far into the pro end where mastering would actual matter to someone's lively-hood and I don't have the skills accommodate that.

("this mix is awful Johnson! You are F__king Fired")

I put the anime girls up and make the dirty jokes and use a vomit inducing headcam for 30 minutes unedited to try and chase off professionals or people who take this hobby way too seriously. If I have offended you for any of the above reasons.. That is by design. I started this thing as a novice with no experience not looking to invest 6 hours of editing for a 10 minute review for 40 people on the internet to watch. I still believe that is the case. That old saying of "fake it till you make it" has sort of rung true for me, 5 years, hundreds of headphones and speakers in and out of my apartment, trips to every audio/canjam show and giving honest buying advice, free of being a sell out, has given me a rather unique look at this world. Some choose to see the ugliness in this world. (me) and I ignore it mostly because music is fun and so is dancing.

I never saw 100k subs coming but it took so long to get here I hardly noticed. I'm not trying to be better than others at reviewing headphones. Just being myself and trying to smile while doing it. As soon as I consider Z Review my job is the moment I start hating my job.

So peace out. I only stop by here like once a year because most people here are nuts. And while I came here for an Argument, I usually end up in abuse. [/MontyPythonReference]
Keep doing what you do Zeos. If you have strong opinions, provide it like you usually do. I personally like your review style.

There are fake reviewers out there is a waste of time and space, so please don't turn into one.
 
May 15, 2018 at 1:07 PM Post #27 of 49
Hell yeah. Recently joined and already getting some juicy drama. Who else are we supposed to hate? :dt880smile:

I really enjoy Zeos sound demos too. I take them for what they are, and can still really be helpful before pulling the trigger on a new headphone I haven't even heard yet.

I've been digging DMS3 TV's headphone reviews. They're more analytical but never really go over my head. Just wish he got his hands on even more equipment to give his perspective.
 
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May 15, 2018 at 1:50 PM Post #28 of 49
So I was browsing Zeos (YouTube reviewer) vids and sound demos when I noticed a bunch of his sound demo's feature the same tracks being tested across a range different headphones. Whilst far from scientific, accurate, or indicative of the real thing, it was super interesting comparing the different headphones on the same recording equipment and in the same test environment, to see how they sound in comparison to each other.

I actually listened to the sound demos back to back on different systems, from my laptop speakers to my floor standing cinema set up, right through to numerous different headphones, and I do think the common traits and differences between the headphones come through and correlate despite the different listening methods, and in that respect, I thought others might be similarly interested in these comparisons, so I've put together an easily accessible comparison list here.

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Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky

Audeze LCD-4: To me, these sound darker, slightly veiled and less dynamic than some of the others on this list. Whilst it has good texture and atmosphere, things don't sound quite as crystalline or as well separated, instead it all sounds a tad congested.


Sony MDR-Z1R: Sounds far clearer, more detailed, airier and wider than the LCD-4's above. Instrumental separation is easier to pick out. There's a bit more punch and dynamism to everything. I also find the overall tones and textures more honest or realistic sounding.


Focal Elear: These actually sound surprisingly similar to the LCD-4's, and like the LCD-4's they're also a touch darker or more veiled than some of the others. I actually think the highs sound a bit more vivid and sharp than the LCD-4's, but the soundstage seems narrower and more congested.


Audeze EL-8C: These are airier and ever so slightly sharper sounding than the LCD-4, but they also seem a hair treble tilted and thin. They don't quite have the body and weight of the other cans above, and they're still not as clean, well separated or texturally honest as the Z1R's.


Monolith M1060: These sort of sound like a slightly livelier and more punchy LCD-4. Maybe a hair less clean, but with slightly more air and separation. If I was basing things purely on these sound demo's, I'd actually take the M1060 over the LCD-4 lol. They're still not as wide, clear or clean sounding as the Z1R's though.


Audio-Technica ATH-M40x: Here things sound a touch hot, grainy and peaky at times. The clarity is there, but at the expense of some body, weight and smoothness.


STAX L700: These sound excellent. They're the first in this list since that have a comparable airy wide cleanliness and honesty to the Z1R's. They're perhaps not quite as revealing as the Z1R's, nor does the soundstage have the same width and depth, but they have a really nice well-balanced sound, with a good amount of weight to everything. They sound almost like an ever so slightly more intimate or forward Z1R.


STAX L300: Another excellent pair based on this demo. Similar to the L700's above, but perhaps slightly more dynamic or punchy and not quite as smooth sounding, nor as wide in soundstage. They share the most similarities in sound with both the L700 and the Z1R. But like with the L700's, the Z1R's are also still slightly wider, airier, smoother and less vivid sounding.


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Blue Scholars - Anna Karina

Audeze LCD-4: A nice amount of body, weight and smoothness to everything, but like with the track above, things still sound slightly veiled or dark. The male vocals to my ears, based on this demo, sound a tad too thick and almost muddy.


Sony MDR-Z1R: Like with Spirit in the Sky, everything once again sounds much clearer, wider, more three dimensional and crisper than with the LCD-4 above. The degree of clarity and separation is stronger, and importantly, to me, the male vocals sound considerably more honest and realistic. Thing is, the track doesn't sound any more fatiguing with the Z1R's, things just sound opened up and more revealing.


Focal Elear: Again, there are similarities with the LCD-4's, only this confirms my opinion earlier that based on the sound demo, the Elear here actually has a hair more clarity or treble precision than the LCD-4's. This also manifests in the male vocals sounding ever so slightly less muddy or thick than with the LCD-4's, but once again the soundstage is a bit narrower. Similar to the previous track, the Elear does not sound as revealing, wide or as honest as the Z1R's.


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Yosi Horikawa - Letter

Audeze LCD-4: In this track, the extra thickness and veil previously apparent in the LCD-4's signature don't really invoke themselves in any negative way. Whilst there is some congestion between sounds and instruments compared to the others, things still sound realistic, full, rich and texturally mostly honest.


Sony MDR-Z1R: Far more articulate, crisp, airy and vivid sounding compared to the LCD-4's. The Z1R's are still fluid enough here, as I could not detect any sibilance, but clearly, the Z1R's have more treble energy and sparkle compared to the LCD-4's.


Focal Elear: Ever so slightly more vivid and articulate than the LCD-4's, but not as wide or full of body. Both the LCD-4 and Z1R sound ever so slightly more realistic than the Elear with this track on this demo to my ears, despite approaching things differently. Perhaps it's the Elear's narrower soundstage that is taking a hair away from the overall sense of realism.


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Amber Rubarth - Novocaine

Audeze LCD-4: Because the start of this track is so quiet, the darker and slightly more veiled tone of the LCD-4's make the opening sound less quiet and clean, and instead more distant, especially the female vocalist who sounds less like she's singing quietly, but more like she's further away from the listener. The different little instrumental titbits and twangs don't cut through the quiet undertone with quite the same clarity or precision, and the female vocals also have a hair more weight or thickness to them.


Sony MDR-Z1R: Not only does the opening actually sound quieter, but the instrumental snippets have a touch more detail, separation, space and clarity to them. You can hear more of the textures, timbre and features of the instruments, guitar strings etc, and the female vocalist similarly also sounds more honest and realistic. Where with the LCD-4 it sounds like Amber is singing live but through a worse quality mic or in a room with poorer acoustics, with the Z1R's it's more as if Amber is singing live, but directly to you.


Focal Elear: As with both previous comparisons, things are just a hair more revealing or forward with the Elear compared to the LCD-4, and this does improve the opening and sense of clarity or separation, but not quite to the extent of the Z1R's which are more revealing, but also have a notably wider and airier soundstage.


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John Wick OST - Evil Man Blues

Audeze EL-8C: Rather revealing, airy and articulate, but as per the last track, just a touch on the treble tilted thinner side. The track just lacks a bit of weight, body and fun factor compared to the cans below.


Monolith M1060: A more engaging and atmospheric sound compared to the EL-8C's. The female vocals have greater weight and realism to them, as does the general presentation, everything just sounds a bit richer and fuller.


STAX L700: A sort of halfway house between the EL-8C and the M1060. More revealing and crystalline than the M1060, but not quite as thin sounding or lacking in body as the EL-8C, a pretty nice balance between the two. Perhaps not as atmospheric or moody as the M1060's, but you do gain some added air, a wider soundstage and some extra clarity in its place.


STAX L300: As per the previous track, the L300 appears to be a touch less laid back, smooth and a hair less wide in terms of soundstage compared to the L700, but it does have a bit more vibrancy, liveliness and fun factor in its place. A decent balance overall, especially if you like things more forward or engaging.



Feel free to go through the videos to compare and contrast for yourselves, and post your thoughts! As mentioned, I realise this is not a scientific comparison by any stretch, but it is still very interesting to be able to directly compare them like this, and I would say these results do somewhat correlate with my own real-world experience of some of these headphones.

For me, the Sony Z1R's, Stax L700's, Stax L300's and Monoprice M1060's are probably the best sounding in these demos, or the most positively surprising. The biggest disappointments for me are the ATH-M40x, which are too grainy and vibrant for my liking, coupled with the LCD-4's, which in all honesty sounded far more veiled and dark than I'd have expected. Granted I recently sold my LCD-3 which I'd also describe as a fairly dark sounding headphone, and I did also use to own the LCD-2's which for me were too dark and veiled for my personal tastes, however I was under the impression the LCD-4's greatly switched things up in this regard, but in these sound demo's at least, to my ears the LCD-4's still sounded darker and less airy or precise than many of these other cans.

Anyway, have a listen and post your thoughts!


To me, there are always mixed feeling about this reviewer.
His genre is not my type. His style is cool and I like the demo and I hate the GoPro.
This is not important, but...he just likes to talk.....There is one time I really want to purchase a headphone and he is the only reviewer online.
First five minutes he compares to Maddog, then another five minutes about his solid state amp, another five minutes about his balanced amp, another five minutes about his tube amp, then wait, he show his pads!
Then he talks about cables!
he is special, he reviews a lot of headphones, you can tell why he reaches so many subs.

But this is a lot of work!! thanks for putting all of it together!!
Good job!!!
 
May 15, 2018 at 2:22 PM Post #29 of 49
Morning Head-fi. Here is the deal. I usually only hype things worth hyping (Cheap+Good). I never lie about what I think about something. I only make 20% of my monthly views on the videos I release in that month. So having a library that stretches back 700 videos full of me ripping people off for clicks would easily ruin my reputation because comments exist and so do dislikes.

I will admit I could be more consistent with amps on sound demo's and on tracks used but if there is a new toy that is higher end then what I have OR want to sort of give a "sound demo" of an amp putting it on the table for SD's is nice. Plus I would blow my brains out if I had to do ever sound demo to the same songs. I tried leaving the first 6 songs the same for every demo and my god.. the agony.

I see the mention of "professional reviewer" a lot and by no means is that what I want to be. I started this whole endeavor with ZERO intent on becoming anything like the "pro" reviewers kicking around 5 years ago. I started it because of them. Their stuffy attitudes and boring reads or text write-ups that fail to inspire. Everyone getting in front of the camera trying to be a YouTube Star! Making Thumbnails with gaping mouths because VIEWS! If I wanted to be more popular I would shorten my videos and write a script. I don't. I like being able to answer all my comments.

Most importantly in this post will be the line below. It is what I tell myself every day to stay grounded...

"THIS IS A HOBBY AND IS REALLY NOT ALL THAT IMPORTANT". (waits for ban)

I have plenty of hobbies and while I love each of them, none are worth getting into any legit "need therapy" levels of obsession/bankruptcy/arguments over. I enjoy listening to music and hate seeing people get ripped off. There are no life and death decisions in buying headphones! Peoples tastes differ (T90's murder) and I cant be right all the time but return policies/ebay are made for that. I just state my opinions and wait for people to agree with me or call me a shill. I don't dip too far into the pro end where mastering would actual matter to someone's lively-hood and I don't have the skills accommodate that.

("this mix is awful Johnson! You are F__king Fired")

I put the anime girls up and make the dirty jokes and use a vomit inducing headcam for 30 minutes unedited to try and chase off professionals or people who take this hobby way too seriously. If I have offended you for any of the above reasons.. That is by design. I started this thing as a novice with no experience not looking to invest 6 hours of editing for a 10 minute review for 40 people on the internet to watch. I still believe that is the case. That old saying of "fake it till you make it" has sort of rung true for me, 5 years, hundreds of headphones and speakers in and out of my apartment, trips to every audio/canjam show and giving honest buying advice, free of being a sell out, has given me a rather unique look at this world. Some choose to see the ugliness in this world. (me) and I ignore it mostly because music is fun and so is dancing.

I never saw 100k subs coming but it took so long to get here I hardly noticed. I'm not trying to be better than others at reviewing headphones. Just being myself and trying to smile while doing it. As soon as I consider Z Review my job is the moment I start hating my job.

So peace out. I only stop by here like once a year because most people here are nuts. And while I came here for an Argument, I usually end up in abuse. [/MontyPythonReference]
Thanks for addressing this.

The only issue I have with your review style is that it is a bit inconsistent. On some cans you focus more on certain aspects than on others. On others you don't mention sound detail very much, which is highly important in my book. However, your reviews are highly entertaining nonetheless and I highly appreciate a reviewer that doesn't believe in snake oil (unlike a LOT of hi-fi reviewers).
 
May 15, 2018 at 5:18 PM Post #30 of 49
To me, he doesn't come off as a sellout most importantly or he pushes as his opinions are the end of all. Sure, his reviews are non-convential or has a script, LOL, but I like spontaneousness, and just flow of his thoughts seem natural and transparent. If you diagree with his opinion, you disagree. He's another reviewer, you may disagree in opinion like any other reviewer, but how is he a sellout?

The way his reviews are approach seems down to earth.

DMS is a different type of reviewer, and so is Zeos.
 
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