Yamaha YH-5000SE — a flagship from an orthodynamic headphones veteran!
Feb 3, 2023 at 7:41 PM Post #556 of 1,588
Out of curiosity, how is the tuning of the headphone? Is it more of a reference tune?
I think so. It's on the "reference" sounds which has no bass boast or exaggeration i can identify in my two 15mins listening sessions. i demoed again on the other day with both the shop's re leaf headamp and through my btr7. Both gives similar sound signature.

I'm not sure i described this correctly: i felt like the sound stage is a bit diffused and the vocals come from a bit far away then normal but the image is not that "tall".
 
Feb 3, 2023 at 10:16 PM Post #557 of 1,588
A report of the arrival of the second lot shipment appeared on Twitter from @kansan.
(A series of photos were posted on the account. Recommend to see.)
Kansan says an interesting thing: "highest sound quality per gram in my experience"
to think of , there aren't much choice we have here (maybe elite or expanse I guess)
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 1:45 AM Post #558 of 1,588
to think of , there aren't much choice we have here (maybe elite or expanse I guess)

The high end market has never been so crowded - Susvara, X9000k, the new Utopia, Caldera, Expanse, Warwick, ATH-W2022, D8000 Pro... and more..
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 1:56 AM Post #559 of 1,588
The high end market has never been so crowded - Susvara, X9000k, the new Utopia, Caldera, Expanse, Warwick, ATH-W2022, D8000 Pro... and more..
They're a bit on the heavy side for me , there're only 2 of them I can think of that can compare with yh5000
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 2:06 AM Post #560 of 1,588
They're a bit on the heavy side for me , there're only 2 of them I can think of that can compare with yh5000

unless you tried them all, don't prejudge..
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 2:27 AM Post #561 of 1,588
pretty sure most of totl weighted more than 400g tho , yh5000 is only ~350g and I think that is pretty rare

even the expanse and elite are ~400g so I think yh5000 is most likely to be the highest sound quality per gram we have
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 2:49 AM Post #562 of 1,588
I made a scatter chart of price (x) and weight (y).
If available, the price is from e-earphone, the largest headphone shop in Japan. All include VAT (10%). From the previous post, HEDDphone (718g, 218.9K yen. too heavy) and ATH-W2022 (450g,1320K yen. too expensive) were omitted.

The chart indicates;
1) There is a weak positive correlation between price and weight (R^2=0.25).
2) Planer and electrostatic headphones are expensive and heavy. YH-5000SE is an outlier.
3) Dynamic headphones include both heavy and light.

scatter.png
Time to show my previous post again. Only ATH-ADX5000 is lighter than YH-5000SE.

For d8000, the sound quality must be 65% better than YH to have better "sound quality per gram" index. 54% for Utopia, 35%for Elite, and around 30% for Stealth/Expanse.
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 3:29 AM Post #563 of 1,588
That is just a bit silly. How do you describe/measure one gram of sound quality? :)
I think, the original poster merely wanted to say 'the lightest top level sounding headphone'. (Or if we count the ADX5000, the lightest top level sounding planar.)
It was just a good sounding, playful statement. You guys are overthinking it. :)
What if, for someone a 400g flagship headphone has higher sound quality per gram level than the 5000SE has? Then the 400g headphone will sound a few grams better for him than the 5000SE. :) Is it one gram golden sound quality or just a gram of silver sound quality? Silly. :)
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 3:34 AM Post #564 of 1,588
yeah I don't think anyone take that joke seriously , if we talk about the best sound per gram then it will be ksc75 for sure

just want to discussing something stupid while waiting to try the yh5000 lol
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 11:39 AM Post #565 of 1,588
pretty sure most of totl weighted more than 400g tho , yh5000 is only ~350g and I think that is pretty rare

even the expanse and elite are ~400g so I think yh5000 is most likely to be the highest sound quality per gram we have

I get it. I do things weight distribution, clamp, and material/build have big impact on comfort - to the point where, personally, I find some 600g headphones more comfortable than some 400g ones. But I do get the benefit of weight reduction. The 800s is always surprising light on my head..

Time to show my previous post again. Only ATH-ADX5000 is lighter than YH-5000SE.

For d8000, the sound quality must be 65% better than YH to have better "sound quality per gram" index. 54% for Utopia, 35%for Elite, and around 30% for Stealth/Expanse.

That’s an entertaining chart :)

Btw I’m getting a GS3000x from modding it to detachable cable (and also changing pads to something a human can wear comfortably) - the original, awful, heavy and janky fixed cable probably accounts for half that weight in your chart :wink:
 
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Feb 4, 2023 at 2:55 PM Post #566 of 1,588
The high end market has never been so crowded - Susvara, X9000k, the new Utopia, Caldera, Expanse, Warwick, ATH-W2022, D8000 Pro... and more..
and yet nothing has bettered the abyss 1266 TC or susvara in terms of planars or the SR1A and CA-1a..
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 3:02 PM Post #567 of 1,588
and yet nothing has bettered the abyss 1266 TC or susvara in terms of planars or the SR1A and CA-1a..
I think, plenty of people would argue with that statement. I know several enthusiasts who prefer other TOTL planars to the Susvara or the Abyss. It is personal taste and preference.
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 3:30 PM Post #568 of 1,588
and yet nothing has bettered the abyss 1266 TC or susvara in terms of planars or the SR1A and CA-1a..

As @betula put it well, it's a matter of personal taste.. always I guess when it comes to sensory experiences..

To my taste, I like the Caldera as much as the Susvara (which I currently have on:)), just for different moods/genres/feel. They are so different, they occupy a different spot in my collection. I love them equally.

I don't like the 1266 as much as those, because its wonderful bass is offset by mids that aren't as good as the above to my ears (also, form factor/convenience is a real issue for me). But a friend did bring them and we played them in my system and I reconsidered my initial assessment. Jury is out. But I still prefer the above for my tastes......

The CA-1a I found underwhelming. I simply don't think they are in the same league. The SR1A I understand are fabulous, but I never heard them so I can't have an opinion :)

As far as "nothing has bettered", that's a super broad category. Every headphone has tradeoffs and strengths. For example, I prefer my R10 to the Susvara for what is the most organic and natural sounding mids and spacial presentation I know. I prefer my X9k for its more exapnsive sound stage. And my Caldera for its meatier, and more visceral bass. But the Susvara has more tonal balance than all of them, and that's its super power. And is on par in its resolution with the best headphones out there (perhaps the X9k edges it a bit)

anyway, a rambling... I agree the Susvara is a world class exceptional headphone. But they all have trade offs, and there are no absolutes in our hobby :)
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 3:38 PM Post #569 of 1,588
and yet nothing has bettered the abyss 1266 TC or susvara in terms of planars or the SR1A and CA-1a..
X9000-T2 with an Uber source
(source first always - you gets what you put in)
😆
 
Feb 4, 2023 at 3:49 PM Post #570 of 1,588
X9000-T2 with an Uber source
(source first always - you gets what you put in)
😆

yes that one definitely scales (actually almost all the above mentioned do, with both source and amps)
 

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