[Padawan38]

 
The ICRON and Startech are similar - have not heard or heard from anyone with the LANRover.
 
Here is a nice write-up on the LANRover by Darko
http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/07/all-terrain-usb-audio-with-the-ps-audio-lanrover/

Thx for answer.
 
About the Startech, you targeted the 4 usb GB one and you say " ... GB LAN compatible and does iso audio devices".
 
I don't understand clearly the point can you please detail what miss the other options to match with our purpose ? 
The others are high speed (480Mb/s) guess it's sufficient ? ... what is the benefit of GB ? ...as well what is "iso audio" ?
 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HFGQESY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=
 
What about the Intona ?

 

[rb2013]

  Would it be safe to assume that using a Regen fed by a decent LPS to an F-1 could come close to the sound quality of the SU-1? Not so sure i'll go that route over the SU-1 to save $$ but would consider it. Already have a regen, have the opportunity to get a decent r-core LPS second hand decently cheap then the cost of an F-1 with case would save me roughly $130 over getting an SU-1. Also, has anyone fed the SU-1 with a regen with LPS and regen without an LPS? 

I tried both the Regen and the W4S Recovery - I preferred the Recovery.  It reclocks (as does the Regen) with better clocks - Cyrstek CCHD.  They are close in price and the Recovery has an ext DC power port as well.
 
But I like the Regen too - so if that's what you have it is a good way to go.
 
The power supply on SU-1 looks reasonable - maybe not to the quality of the dual stage regulated Breeze.  Anybody have a photo close-up of the regulators they use?  They are attached o the vertical heat sinks.
 
SU-1 Power Supply

 
 
Breeze Audio DU-U8:

 
 
One advantage to the F-1 is the ability to easily and quickly (without mods) upgrade power supplies in the future to some of the totl LPS's - like the Paul Hynes
http://paulhynesaudio.com

 

[rb2013]

  Anyone think the Su-1 would benefit with a better external lps?

Most likely yes - but that would require modding.  For the F-1 power supply changes are just plug and play.

 

[rb2013]

 
Thx for answer.
 
About the Startech, you targeted the 4 usb GB one and you say " ... GB LAN compatible and does iso audio devices".
 
I don't understand clearly the point can you please detail what miss the other options to match with our purpose ? 
The others are high speed (480Mb/s) guess it's sufficient ? ... what is the benefit of GB ? ...as well what is "iso audio" ?
 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HFGQESY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=
 
What about the Intona ?

Well ICRON who OEMs the Startech unit - makes/made many versions of this unit - most with differing chipsets.  The totl unit used the SPARTAN 6 and are compatible with GB LANs.  But ICRON makes/made two version of their GB LAN compatible versions one that was more powerful then the other - the totl was compatible with iso audio.
 
This is the unit that I have and had such great sound quality results with.  If you go back many months ago on this thread you will see, how we tried to figure out who made the upcoming PS Audio LANRover  and which model.  It is a bit confusing.  I happened to luck out and get the right one Startech on Amazon.  Later it became clear there were these other versions.  The reported SQ improvements with the others where not as good.
 
I also tried this Startech unit:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9RTT2U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
It wasn't good at all.  I had trouble getting 192k to play without glitches.
 
Many folks have had a good experience with the Intona - but with some compatibility issues.  The Intona uses inexpensive CMEMS clocks to do the reclocking.  This was do to it original industrial design and the need to operate in +2G lateral acceleration envirnoments.  The Intona and the ICRON/Startech/PS Audio devices work on entirely different methods to provide galvanic isolation.
 
Here are the board photos of the totl Startech:

 

 
 
JCAT just released their USB isolator  - have not heard any comments about it:  It does use the Intona chipset and is around $400.
http://jplay.eu/jcat/

 

[drkingweeb]

what would be the chain of components if using a squeezebox with an f-1.
thanks,
drmike

 

[Duy Le]

   
The power supply on SU-1 looks reasonable - maybe not to the quality of the dual stage regulated Breeze.  Anybody have a photo close-up of the regulators they use?  They are attached o the vertical heat sinks.

FYI

 

[rb2013]

  FYI

I have that low res picture off the internet as well, I posted one above.  It does no good in determining the LDO used.  Need a close up high res of the chip on the PS heatsink.

 

[Albrecht]

 what would be the chain of components if using a squeezebox with an f-1.

 
Hi,
 
Not too sure what benefits that you'd achieve by using the USB output of the Squeezebox Touch compared to just a really great digital SPDIF, coax, cable.
 
However, - you need a short USB cable into the F-1 and then an RCA type SPDIF, coax, cable to your DAC.
 
I've tested this both with the F-1 and the HiFace2 going into my DAC.
 
Cheers,

 

[r11bordo]

I saw the Mutec MC-3+ USB may be used as an interface USB - Spdif. So, choice becomes difficult regarding the very good feedback about F-1 and Dxio. The Mutec is more expensive, it gives more functions but in terms of performance and musicality, how is located the Mutec regarding both others interfaces?
Thanks

 

[drkingweeb]

Why would spotify not work when the f-1 is used? Pc>recovery>f-1>dac, it worked befre f-1 was inserted into this setup?
Thanks,
drmike

 

[evillamer]

rb2013,
 
How about trying out this newly released word clock with the mutec? 
 
https://blacklionaudio.com/product/micro-clock-mkiii-xb/
 
It claims to have industry lowest jitter of just 0.6picosecond RMS.
 
the previous version got much praises from this reviewer:
http://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/109/micro-clock-mkiii/

 

[rb2013]

I saw the Mutec MC-3+ USB may be used as an interface USB - Spdif. So, choice becomes difficult regarding the very good feedback about F-1 and Dxio. The Mutec is more expensive, it gives more functions but in terms of performance and musicality, how is located the Mutec regarding both others interfaces?
Thanks

I have a Mutec MC-3+ USB and use it as a SPDIF reclocker on my AOIP REDNET
 
See my ranking I posted a while ago.  Compared to a stock F-1 it is better, but an F-1 with a great power supply and data chain - not so much.
 
Note the Mutec has a SMPS.
 
 

 

[rb2013]

  rb2013,
 
How about trying out this newly released word clock with the mutec? 
 
https://blacklionaudio.com/product/micro-clock-mkiii-xb/
 
It claims to have industry lowest jitter of just 0.6picosecond RMS.
 
the previous version got much praises from this reviewer:
http://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/109/micro-clock-mkiii/

Well I doubt much better then a OXCO Antelope.  I would look to clock the Mutec off an Atomic clock as it accepts a 10Mhz input.
 
Here's one recently mentioned on the AOIP thread
http://www.jackson-labs.com/index.php/products/fury

 

[roman410]

  Which converter do you think is better: Singxer F-1 or DXIO Pro3a ?
 

 

Thanks. And what is the interface is better for you between the Dxio and the F-1?

 

  what would be the chain of components if using a squeezebox with an f-1.
thanks,
drmike

Hi, using alone with SBT any of this two DDC, sounds good. DIXIO Pro3a was more analog souding, with deeper soundstage and overal more natural sound. Singxer F-1, was more detailed and transparent. I will can live with any of this two, it is just by preferences.
     Unfortunately chaining dixio with Intona, Regen do not improved sound, with F-1 I get best sound from my SBT. If you have any of USB gizmos ready on hand or you planning get one on the future I will recommend Singxer-F1 with SBT.
Note: DIXIO Pro 3a it is oldest DIYINHK model with oldest XMOS chip not any more for sale. It is replaced with newest DIXIO Pro3z with latest XMOS XU 216 chip, which a do not owned and cant not comment.

 

[ginetto61]

 ....    Note the Mutec has a SMPS. 

 
Hi !
 
Replacing its stock psu seems very doable. It should not be a show-stopper ...
 

 

 
i am more concerned about the circuits pcb design and construction 
the SU1 looks very different from the F1 ... which the better design ?
 
Then I could always use any high quality external psu with a simple mod (i.e. adding a DC socket on the back panel)
Like the Audiobyte Hydra Z  
 

 
 
 
Regards,  gino