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Why do so few own the Alessandro MS Pro?

Mar 10, 2008 at 5:33 AM Post #16 of 46
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What is exactly difficult about getting these for someone in USA?


I think it is because they only sell online - no stores carry them. I can't quite understand what makes that 'difficult' though......
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 5:39 AM Post #17 of 46
Thanks for the responses. Sounds like the MS Pro is a headphone I have to check out sometime, especially if it's a poor man's HP1000 since I haven't heard it yet.

I think Alessandro would probably find it worthwhile to initiate a dealer relationship with TTVJ and/or HeadRoom, their direct sale method is a bit limiting.
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 6:14 AM Post #18 of 46
MS PRO isnt the same as HP1000 (HP2). They are neutral, yes, but still kind of fun sounding anyway. Especially when you use flats or reverse bowls on MSPRO, they become much punchier and Grado like.
You can not beat HP1000 neutrality by any headphones, imo. They sound much fuller than MSPRO. The bass is just way stronger, MSPRO bass isnt exist, comparing to them. But MSPRO have more clarity in sound, which I call fun, but the highs are totally rolled off. HP1000 are much more upfront sounding than MSPRO, however if you use flats on MSPRO than you have something similar, not the same, but step closer.
What they do share is ease of listening, nothing happened to your hearing with them after many hours. One thing to mention. I tried to push MSPRO with higher volume level, using bowls, and they stay in great balance, where HP1000 isnt really love to be pushed, cos they loose their balance. Have an idea, because of their very upfront sound, so it is like having them build in in you ears feeling. Listening to HP1000 with low or mid level is the best, imo.
It would be very interesting to try MSPRO again, since I own Zana, so if anyone can send me a pair...just joking
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I do believe that MSPRO will benefit really from better amplification, but they will never become HP1000, imo.
The bottom line is, if you like neutrality, but want some fun as well, MSPRO is your thing, while HP1000 is totally different level of choice.
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM Post #19 of 46
I had a chance to compare the MS-Pros with the RS-1s. In a nutshell, as Blackmore stated, the MS-Pros bring a degree of neutrality to the table. Choosing between the two is more of a matter of taste IMO. They are both terrific sounding headphones but I admittedly prefer the colored sound of my RS-1s. I already own my preferred neutral sounding headphone so I was looking for that Grado sound which the RS-1s deliver in spades.

Sorry - can't offer anything in regards to MS-Pros vs HP1000s.
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 12:49 PM Post #20 of 46
I own MS-Pro and for sure this is a very nice natural sounding cans for me........

i have a chance to compare it with RS-2 & RS-1, even RS series is a nice cans too, it just can beat MS-Pro much refined n clarity sound, especially at guitar and other acoustic instrument.

n remember........ just my opinion
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM Post #21 of 46
I remember critical bang-for-the-buck remarks by some MS Pro owners and I didn't like the limited MS2 genre bandwidth. If my prejudice is justified, the MS Pro may be perfect for rockheads with big wallets.
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM Post #22 of 46
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No, I didn't. Actually, I have never tried the flat pads and regarding the bowls - I prefer them even on the SR60's. They're not quite comfy but they fit my needs sonically. That said, the MS2i's were OK regarding the frequency balance but their chracter is not for me. When the SR325i's with the bowls work for me why should I blame the pads? Even if you are right, I wouldn't keep both the MS2i's and the SR325i's so I solved my problem quickly.
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How do you know you prefer the bowls if you never tried the flats?
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The whole point of using the flats on the MS2 is their character does change .... better bass, more dynamics, improved PRAT and less harshness to the highs.
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM Post #23 of 46
It would be PS1 then
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I remember critical bang-for-the-buck remarks by some MS Pro owners and I didn't like the limited MS2 genre bandwidth. If my prejudice is justified, the MS Pro may be perfect for rockheads with big wallets.


 
Mar 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM Post #24 of 46
I owned a pair of RS-2 - and they convinced me I wanted to continue with the Grado "family"......so I sold the RS-2 and eventually got both HP-2, and also ALessandro MS Pro.
First of all, pls understand I play very little rock (and some of the other genres mentioned these days that I don't like at all, and sometimes unfamiliar what a few current terms may mean. To me, classical, jazz singers, jazz instrumentals, golden age of broadway, and big bands constitute what is meant by "music". I've found while on my hegira thru the headphone world that no headphone exists that can cover a multitude of genres equally well.....so, to my mind - if you buy the MS Pro, I hope you're buying it for either a small jazz group with singer, chamber music, or string soloist eg. violin. -- not for symphonic works (too thin and bright for them)....on the other hand, Joes HP-2 does handle larger venues with greater aplumb. As Blackmore stated above - the MS Pro are NOT "the poor mans' HP-2". They are completely different in sound. These are headphones with good linearity of frequency response - not the distinctly spikey treble of Johns' creations. These spikes that John engineered into his phones work extemely well for both rock and jazz instrumentals - the toe tappin' fun factor for which they are noted. But, when it comes to the music I usually play - those spikes become troublesome to me on a number of tracks. Even with the treble toned down for Alessandro - I find them hinging on the edge of acceptable brightness (for me). I see myself retaining both the HP-2 and the MS Pro because I do like them along side of my Beyers - making an excellent contrast to one another. Symphonic works, to me, are the realm of modded k340 (and sometimes x-deep Darths).
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 2:44 PM Post #25 of 46
Mar 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM Post #26 of 46
I was seriously considering the MS-Pro, but I had the opportunity to get the HP-2 at a meet. It turned out pretty well... Looser101 has a pair of the MS-Pro and lives near me, so it's just a matter of time before we get together at another meet to compare the cans.
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM Post #27 of 46
Agree that MSPRO are thin, but bright. Maybe you mean something else than I think it is.

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To me, classical, jazz singers, jazz instrumentals, golden age of broadway, and big bands constitute what is meant by "music". I've found while on my hegira thru the headphone world that no headphone exists that can cover a multitude of genres equally well.....so, to my mind - if you buy the MS Pro, I hope you're buying it for either a small jazz group with singer, chamber music, or string soloist eg. violin. -- not for symphonic works (too thin and bright for them)....on the other hand, Joes HP-2 does handle larger venues with greater aplumb. As Blackmore stated above - the MS Pro are NOT "the poor mans' HP-2". They are completely different in sound. These are headphones with good linearity of frequency response - not the distinctly spikey treble of Johns' creations. These spikes that John engineered into his phones work extemely well for both rock and jazz instrumentals - the toe tappin' fun factor for which they are noted. But, when it comes to the music I usually play - those spikes become troublesome to me on a number of tracks. Even with the treble toned down for Alessandro - I find them hinging on the edge of acceptable brightness (for me). I see myself retaining both the HP-2 and the MS Pro because I do like them along side of my Beyers - making an excellent contrast to one another. Symphonic works, to me, are the realm of modded k340 (and sometimes x-deep Darths).


 
Mar 10, 2008 at 3:56 PM Post #28 of 46
I'm sure we're are both saying the same thing, in this instance, re MS Pro. But, I'm a very fair guy, Sergei. I'll send you my MS Pro's to re-try, if you send me your Zana Deux at the same time
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Mar 10, 2008 at 4:02 PM Post #29 of 46
To the oP, I think Mitch sums up up best..

To the above few posts, the MSPro is NOT the same as the HP1000.
I had all three Aless phones plus a RS-1 and HP1000 in my possession and can attest to say as much. With the right gear, I actually find the MS2i's with Flats or Senn pads closer to the HP series than the MSpro's or any other current production model Grado (I expect due to the metal alloy utilized, who knows).

This said, there exists still the Aless sound to the MS2i/MSPro which does not provide the same level of performance or output which the HP series does. Also worthy of mention is the MSPro is the only higher end Grado I have only purchased once, where as the RS1/2, PS1,HP1/2, and MS2/i I have came back to again in my journey.
Just my thoughts,
 
Mar 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM Post #30 of 46
Me, 2xSR225, 2XRS1

I would love to have PS1 back ones again, this time forever...they sound amazing with Zana, ahh...
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Originally Posted by Audiofiler /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Also worthy of mention is the MSPro is the only higher end Grado I have only purchased once, where as the RS1/2, PS1,HP1/2, and MS2/i I have came back to again in my journey.
Just my thoughts,


 
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