What Is Right About Headphones
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:52 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 34

Clarkmc2

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I posted this on the Lansing Heritage site, a JBL/Altec speaker site basically, to try to educate. How do you think I did? Please feel free to move this to an appropriate already existing thread.


So far, in the speaker world in general and in this forum as well, any mention of how good headphones are is quickly followed by a “yeah but” rejoinder. I would like to write a few words about what is better about headphones.

The negative points I hear often are about how you have to stay in one place, how unsociable they are, how the bass lacks extension, authority and visceral impact, and how the best headphones cost so much. All of these points are countered by similar inconveniences in the speaker world, or are simply not true, or both.

Like speakers, headphones have been advancing in clarity and capability over the years. Let’s take a look at the current state of headphone affairs.

Their price/performance ratio, even in the most expensive designs, is still able to trump speakers by an order of magnitude or better. And their absolute, as opposed to relative, quality has definitely surpassed speakers, period. I know, “What about bass?” The top electrostatic models will make a believer out of you. The bass is not a smaller, lighter version of great speaker bass. It is, in the Stax Omega for instance, better than speakers. It is deeper, higher fidelity, less colored, less distorted and better balanced with the rest of the audio band. It can’t thump you in the chest but it thumps your brain to the point of utter disbelief. Demanding listeners are finally achieving unmatched experiences with all styles of music, including heavy metal, electronica, dance and trance. You are out of date if you think electrostatic phones are only good for listening to old people playing recorders. Remember, these are single driver “speakers” possessing complete coherence and the most transparent, least colored re creation of music yet achieved. And effortless, realistic, world class dynamics

Not only is the high end of the headphone world higher than the high end of the speaker world, it is actually affordable by less than wealthy listeners.

The price/performance ratio of headphones tempts many to compare how expensive the top models are with how little bargain headphones cost. It is actually correct, given their performance, to compare them with the best speakers. $3500 US ($4200 full retail) gets you Stax’s best headphones and amplifier. How does that compare to a pair of Everest II speakers and the best amp(s) you can think of to drive them. To a pair of Wilson Alexandria X-2s? Obviously, the price/performance ratio holds for even the most expensive headphones.

A set of limitations that speakers have is related to the space in which they are played. We all know that those custom designed $60,000 room treatments will bring out more from a speaker than lesser endowed rooms can. This is a problem and a cost that is absent in the headphone world. The “room” is designed by the headphone engineers and they have complete control and freedom to make it as perfect as they can, and at almost no cost. That small cost is amortized over the entire production of the headphone model, not paid for in full by each owner/user. The same situation holds for the problem of speaker placement within the room. No need to mess with subwoofer placement either. The “speaker” is single driver, its coherence is perfect and its relation to your listening position never deviates from what the design engineers intended. You are always in the sweet spot, and that spot is as sweet as expert audio engineers can make it. The sweet spot matters very much with speakers because if you are making the effort to listen intently to music, it does not make any sense to sit anywhere else.

With headphones, sit wherever you want. The sweet spot is, rather than confining, both perfect and portable. Simply place your rig, which after all is smaller than a speaker based rig, wherever you want it to be. Its placement has no acoustic considerations to attend to. Think about that for a minute, it is an alien and previously unimagined concept. A decent extension cable will allow you to sit, sprawl, do yoga, go outside, or all of the above. I can listen to my Stax sitting inside or out, contemplating the forest beyond the patio. That would be a pain it the ass or impossible with my big speakers, sweet spot or no.

So what about the element of unsociability? I don’t know about your friends, but when I get together to listen to music with even the most dedicated serious listeners I know, a lot of talking goes on over the music. The commentary and verbal camaraderie are a social pleasure all right, but add nothing to the musical (as opposed to social) experience and detract much from it. Music is never going to be the centerpiece of a party, but rather a social lubricant like alcohol is. Since music is not the center of the experience, high fidelity is neither required or important. Nor is attention. The late Ferrari racing team driver Phil Hill was considered odd because when he had friends over to listen to music on his hifi rig, he insisted they actually listen, in silence. Most of us are not so inclined and limit our real listening to private sessions, but I do admire Hill’s recognition of what listening to music seriously is really about. My friends who are real music lovers enjoy also the times when we all fall silent and collectively listen. It happens spontaneously and it forges a bond easily as strong as conversation does amongst us. We are sharing something we all love and recognize without being reminded that anything we say about it at the time would be parenthetical.

Ah, you say, but what about the special moments when you and your lover, or your best friend, bond over the intimacy of listening to music in verbal silence, together? The very best headphone amplifiers, Stax included, have always had two sets of jacks, and for just such times. When I was not yet married I considered double headphone jacks akin to silk sheets on the bed and a fire in the fireplace.

Other than (literally) chest thumping bass, headphones win on all counts.


Clark
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM Post #2 of 34
While I agree with much of what you say in principle, I have to say, if I just want to really crank it up, I wait until my wife/kids leave the house, and put the watts to the Klipsch.

Headphones are great, I love them, but the pants flapping and thump in the chest is something they can't do. There is no replacement for displacement.

I don't think I'm willing to give up either. There are times when each are appropriate, or at least more so than the other.

Nice post, in any case. How was it received at the Lansing Heritage site?
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 4:53 PM Post #3 of 34
Thanks for the feedback, Tenzip. Just posted yesterday, no feedback yet.

I don't like to really crank it up myself, not that there is anything wrong with that, but for company I have JBL4345s and Hammer Dynamics Super 12s, a nice spread. With the tube power I have I can knock them back in their seats if that is what they want. Heck, I use JBL 4333s for my DVD movies.

I attended enough super loud concerts to make me recoil at really loud music. You know, ringing ears afterword. When I listen to my beloved Jazz combos live, I sit five feet from the band. Neil Young & Crazy Horse, earplugs if my seat were that good. I have a little tinnitus already as it is, mostly from work. A little goes a long way.

But Stax sounds so much better than even the best speakers that I always prefer them. And since I listen mostly late at night by myself, phones are more convenient for the physical reasons I mentioned.

Clark
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 4:56 PM Post #4 of 34
Nice write up Clark. I would attempt to persuade anyone with those points given. I have only entry level B&W speakers/Rotel amp which sound nice but pale in comparison to my HP experience.
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM Post #5 of 34
I went in an hi-fi store some days ago to test some amps/speakers.I tried some advance pre-power amplifiers/cd player and some klipsch speakers(don't remember the model,2000 euro if i remember corectly,and i was dissapointed with the sound quality.The room acoustics there were a disaster.I didn't want to tell my opinion to the salesman because i didn't want to be rude,but the sound was unlistenable because of the bad room acoustics.
At a recent high end show,i listened to many high end setups(very expensive)and many of them didn't sound that good because of the bad placement/room acoustics.
If you are lucky enough to have a room with good acoustic properties,then it's fine,you can find good audio setups without spending lots of money(although if you are used to high end headphones you'll probably find a hard time finding what you want on a fair price)
I'm 1000% sure that i will find a big difficulty when i will upgrade my speaker setup in the future.
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 5:52 PM Post #6 of 34
what about imaging? soundstage? other than what speakers can do impact wise, this is the big advantage i always see them having over a headphone setup.

and that last point about two pairs of cans for you and your partner? come on...
(does sound fun though)
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 6:02 PM Post #7 of 34
I have a feeling that sounstage and imaging on headphones will improve noticably in the future,with new technologies and new tricks,they will eventually sound almost like speakers in that regard.I don't have any actual information about that,i just was thinking it sometimes and made this guess.
The 3 disadvantages about headphones for me are:
1)The cable: I hope that wireless technology will give us great sounding headphones without the need to use cable.
2)Ear damage
3)When the temperature rises it's very annoying to use my hd 600 because i sweat and can't enjoy the music.Air conditioning is a solution but you can't have it everywhere.
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM Post #8 of 34
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Originally Posted by mochimon /img/forum/go_quote.gif
what about imaging? soundstage? other than what speakers can do impact wise, this is the big advantage i always see them having over a headphone setup.


I am hearing some instruments behind my ears as I speak, headphones on. It will never be like my single driver augmented Hammer Dynamics, but it locates better than my huge four way JBLs. Darth Nut's Headspace paper seems right on to me. Cease concentrating on the in head image and it expands outward to a soundstage. I generally listen with my eyes closed, and that helps a lot.

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and that last point about two pairs of cans for you and your partner? come on...
(does sound fun though)


Been there and done that. I didn't have a two jack amp, but since I bought my girlfriend at the time an identical SR-44 setup we would listen together while starring into each other's eyes. Then it slipped into x rated territory.
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Highly recommended!

I don't remember how I rigged the hookups but at the time I was highly motivated to figure it out.

Clark
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:21 PM Post #10 of 34
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Originally Posted by john53 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Clark,it's cute that your girlfriend shares this hobby with you.Women in general don't like these hobbies
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They sure don't. Women sure are rare as audiophiles now. That was over thirty years ago. In the Hippie days a lot of girls were very much into music and good sound. Kind of a golden age. My wife is into Broadway show tunes and doesn't know Stax from hay stacks.

That woman in your Avatar is incredibly beautiful. My wife's Greek relatives don't look anything like that. Well, Olga and Maria do. By the way, my daughter's name is Marina, after her grandmother.

Clark
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM Post #11 of 34
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Originally Posted by Clarkmc2
I am hearing some instruments behind my ears as I speak, headphones on.


But when would that presentation ever be what was intended? Are you hearing anything in front? The imaging of a speaker setup is so effortless its elegant. (though, as you said, not on all systems)

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...we would listen together while starring into each other's eyes. Then it slipped into x rated territory.
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Highly recommended!


woah. you better keep that one. edit: just saw the post above. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:26 PM Post #12 of 34
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Originally Posted by Clarkmc2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
They sure don't. Women sure are rare as audiophiles now. That was over thirty years ago. In the Hippie days a lot of girls were very much into music and good sound. Kind of a golden age. My wife is into Broadway show tunes and doesn't know Stax from hay stacks.

That woman in your Avatar is incredibly beautiful. My wife's Greek relatives don't look anything like that. Well, Olga and Maria do.

Clark



It's interesting that some years back girls were more into music/good sound.I know many people had large vinyl collections then,now this had changed,most people don't realy care.

Thank you for the comment on my avatar,she is my girlfriend,Aggeliki.
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:29 PM Post #13 of 34
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Originally Posted by tenzip /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Headphones are great, I love them, but the pants flapping and thump in the chest is something they can't do. There is no replacement for displacement.


Nope, sure isn't.

So why not combine your headphone listening with a subwoofer?

You can feed your headphone Jones while also getting that visceral experience that headphones otherwise lack.

k
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:29 PM Post #14 of 34
Some good points, but there are still a few drawbacks to headphones that I don't think will be easily overcome.

First is the crossfeed issue. Even the best crossfeed circuits don't quite capture sound the way it is presented in real life. you get natural crossfeed at live events and speakers offer the same. You get a little natural crossfeed from the K-1000, but only the K-1000 offers that.

Second, the soundstage will never match something like a dipole speaker - one that uses rear wave reflections just like you get at a live performance. I know there are problems with room treatments, et al., but a good dipole in an average living room gives you a much more convincing soundstage. Quality planars can throw out vocals that I find very, very difficult to tell apart from the real thing. A few times, I've left the ribbons on playing the radio and when I've gotten back, I've slightly freaked out from hearing voices inside the house. Headphones have never been able to trick me like this.

And the bass will never quite be right with headphones. You can only make the drivers so big before you start to run into other engineering issues, and a 50mm driver just won't get the low frequencies. You have to have speakers for that.

I'm obviously a big fan of headphones, but you can't blind yourself to the good points of speakers. The good ones are simply awesome. If you haven't heard a dipole, you should make an effort. Their realism can shock you.
 
Jul 18, 2009 at 7:35 PM Post #15 of 34
While I would agree with the room placement contention, in my opion, good speakers properly placed in a room that is even DIY treated for listening (rugs or tapestries on the walls etc.) can walk all over any headphone I have heard. That is a lot of conditions to meet, but what I am saying is that headphones are not simply better than speakers.
 

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