[chesebert]

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Originally Posted by milkpowder /img/forum/go_quote.gif Probably not 10,000% improvement, but definitely 100% difference

2x as better? probably true under the setup at the time. now going from 50 to 100 on gray scale isn't so drastic after all

 

[milkpowder]

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Originally Posted by Sleestack /img/forum/go_quote.gif First graph is just an impulse response reading of the speakers in the room. You can see the effects of the room on an otherwise realtively flat speaker. It is a 2.2. setup so the first picture shows the full reading on the corner load subs and mains. The second picture shows the reading of the same speakers in the same room after I have applied a room correction curve and a crossover for the mains and subs. It was based on a quick curve, but with more work I can pretty much shape whatever curve I want.

Very impressive to say the least! Is it worth applying room correction to a stereo system? Also, is it possible to implement TacT preamps into an existing system without having to 'throw away' the existing preamp?


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Originally Posted by chesebert /img/forum/go_quote.gif 2x as better? probably true under the setup at the time. now going from 50 to 100 on gray scale isn't so drastic after all

You're probably right!

Twice as good sounds reasonable...

 

[jimholt]

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Originally Posted by chesebert /img/forum/go_quote.gif LMAO. please take a class in EE 101 and come back. cable can never make that much difference (under normal circumstances)

Why ask the question in the first place if all your going to do is put people down. We and others gave you an opinion what you asked for, we can't help it if something is wrong with your ears. Jim.

 

[chesebert]

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Originally Posted by jimholt /img/forum/go_quote.gif Why ask the question in the first place if all your going to do is put people down. We and others gave you an opinion what you asked for, we can't help it if something is wrong with your ears. Jim.

The original averment was that cable makes a huge difference as in "soo much better". nm if you don't know the "wise men" who made assertion

If you don't know anything about transmission theory, basic RLC network, I don't expect you to use anything but your ear to "measure" the difference. And sugar pill also works BTW.

I never said I can't hear the difference, but to claim cable makes a HUGE difference is simply absurd.

 

[Leporello]

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Originally Posted by milkpowder /img/forum/go_quote.gif There's no point arguing about whether what I heard was placebo or not, because it clearly wasn't.

Sigh, I really wish it was this easy.

Let's try this in another context: there is no point in arguing whether aliens kidnap humans to their spaceships, because they clearly do.

Regards,


L.

 

[hciman77]

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Originally Posted by Leporello /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sigh, I really wish it was this easy. Let's try this in another context: there is no point in arguing whether aliens kidnap humans to their spaceships, because they clearly do. Regards, L.

Excellent analogy. It always surprises me how so many folks who definiitively state the differences between sources as being huge will not allow it to be tested under controlled testing - why not ? - if the differences between 2 sources are that big then detecting them blind woud be a cakewalk, and such differences when they do exist can be detected in blind testing. There are several ABX tests out there that do show audible differences, I just do not see the problem.

 

[Patrick82]

60% Valhalla cables
13% Power conditioning
12% ERS Paper
12% Vibration isolation
2% Amp
1% Source

 

[proglife]

A major point is being ignored here: IT DEPENDS....it depends most heavily on the speaker.

I have a pair of Epos speakers that really make everything sound pretty good: they image great even when being fed a $50 source, they have life, sparkle...all that.

I have a pair of Polk LSi15's that I initially thought sounded worse than the Epos (at 5x the price), but they are really just better at showing what is on the recording and what is being fed up stream. I changed some equipment around and the weakness of the Epos became very apparent.

If you can't afford a decent source, don't buy uber-revealing/ accurate speakers...you'll be disappointed. Buy something proportional and good for the money in your price range. 300 dollar speakers aren't going to be the end all, be all, but they might be the MOST APPROPRIATE match for the rest of your gear.

 

[Patrick82]

I'm posting some pictures for proof. Valhalla cables are all that matter to me because they color the sound in a way that makes it sound like real life. I have had Valhalla in my system since I was using analog outputs of EMU0404 soundcard.

Power conditioning removes brightness in the system. Vibration isolation and ERS Paper increase resolution without adding any weaknesses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgsR4TiBwug

 

[The Monkey]

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm posting some pictures for proof. Valhalla cables are all that matter to me because they color the sound in a way that makes it sound like real life. I have had Valhalla in my system since I was using analog outputs of EMU0404 soundcard.

I forgot that we could use pictures to prove sonic differences. Things will be much easier now.

 

[Sleestack]

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm posting some pictures for proof. Valhalla cables are all that matter to me because they color the sound in a way that makes it sound like real life. I have had Valhalla in my system since I was using analog outputs of EMU0404 soundcard.

While what you say may be completely true, it hardly constitutes proof. Take look at the graphs I posted. Those would constitute proof unless you are someone who can't hear 5dB shifts in frequency response.

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 /img/forum/go_quote.gif 60% Valhalla cables 13% Power conditioning 12% ERS Paper 12% Vibration isolation 2% Amp 1% Source

As you see cheesebert, the biggest improvements came form the top end Nordost cables! So, in this case it made a HUGE difference. Same for my system!

Your comments are at most a bit cheesy!

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by Sleestack /img/forum/go_quote.gif While what you say may be completely true, it hardly constitutes proof. Take look at the graphs I posted. Those would constitute proof unless you are someone who can't hear 5dB shifts in frequency response.

Everybody should since steps of 3db should be clearly audible, according to our ear specialists.

If some people can't hear that, then it's clear some people do have bad hearing! And that could explain why some hear alot of differences and some don't!

 

[slwiser]

No wonder you need to have all that shielding paper around your stuff with all your computer equipment laying open. This causes a great amount of EMF to be available near your sensitive audio equipment. Ever wonder why those boxes are designed the way they are?

What was that open circuit board thing on the floor? Another EMF generator?

It looks like on box (computer?) is wide open!



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Originally Posted by Patrick82 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm posting some pictures for proof. Valhalla cables are all that matter to me because they color the sound in a way that makes it sound like real life. I have had Valhalla in my system since I was using analog outputs of EMU0404 soundcard. Power conditioning removes brightness in the system. Vibration isolation and ERS Paper increase resolution without adding any weaknesses.

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by hciman77 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Excellent analogy. It always surprises me how so many folks who definiitively state the differences between sources as being huge will not allow it to be tested under controlled testing - why not ? - if the differences between 2 sources are that big then detecting them blind woud be a cakewalk, and such differences when they do exist can be detected in blind testing. There are several ABX tests out there that do show audible differences, I just do not see the problem.

me neither! If you do hear differences then buy the stuf you think sounds best! if you don't hear any difference then save the money and do something nice with the money!