Spyro, obviously you're talking about this post:
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Not really. From Day 1, many people always pointed to the rolled off highs of SE530.
Take this with a grain of salt but in recent communications with people that have heard UE10 and ES3X, this is what I am hearing.
ES3X is MUCH better than UE10.
UM3X is about 75-80% of what ES3X is. (I thought it would be even closer but I guess not)
UM3X is getting very close to what UE10 is (90% plus).
This would lead me to believe that the 2 Westones are outstanding IEM's in their respective pricepoint categories.
I have no idea where UE11 fits in. "
From Bolardito:
"For me UE11 is like 50-70% better than any of the universals I have heard (IE8/SE530/W3/ER4P/S)."
From Gameboy115:
Yea, westone 3 once was the best IEM ever, but seems not now as it is described as muddy,bloated bass, inaccurate IEM
From spyro:
"I believe Flavio at Earphole Solutions stated he prefers UM3X to his ES2. That's pretty significant considering he wasn't going crazy over UM3X...just that he liked it."
From TsTarn06:
"gtameboy115, your statement is a generalization with little meaning. Or are you just saying what you think the majority of HFers are saying. Pretty confusing. In fact, I believe MaloS is a W3 fan, so I doubt he would call the W3 muddy, inaccurate or delivering bloated bass. Can't speak for him, but I have seen his posts on the W3, and he has made some positive statements of late, now that he has settled on the modded bi-flange."
Earlier post from Spyro:
"UM3X has much more treble detail than SE530 and this was 80% of the complaints about SE530 (besides cables) "
From theory 87:
"i hate w3. the mid is overly done for me to a point of very artificial so I did not have a proper comparision. It just doesn't suit me at all after 4 audition of about 30 min each.
Same case for IE 8 as i find the mid is too thick for me too. "
From Zalithian:
"I think I'm the only person who's said the UM3X have a bigger soundstage than the IE8's - but I also said it was either very slightly bigger or about the same. I think I'm pretty much alone in thinking it's THAT big but keep in mind that is based off memory as my IE8's are currently at Sennheiser right now. Memory isn't the best indicator, so in an A/B comparison it might very well be the UM3X's are smaller in soundstage - but even if they do they have fantastic separation, air, and spacing in my opinion."
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Ok so those are the quotes I'm working with cuz those are the ones that I was awake for.
So looking from above, people make countless statements, and spyro, you seem to be percentage happy. And I dont know where you get your numbers from and as others have stated before you can't really use numbers if you don't have anything to back it up. As I mentioned in my post what may seem to be 60% of headfiers really isn't 60% because some don't vote on polls, and some dont bother to complain about every little thing wrong with their iem's, or sometimes we forget to count people who say they don't have problems with the rolled off highs of the se530's.
Zalithian made comments regarding the soundstage of the UM3x and it took about 13 pages into the thread before he made the comment I quoted above. I think that if you make a statement, you should clarify if it is from memory/if you A-B or whatever method you used to test because the information can be misleading. So if anything Id suggest posts fall in along the same lines as Zalithian's where you give a bit of BG info before making comments.
Theory 87's comments are based on his personal preference, but once again those are quick snappy statements against the W3's. Your casual reader would say, okay so the W3's are a bit bass heavy/overbloated etc... Which Gameboy115 supports in the quote above.
Your quote about Flavio is another example where you are unsure about why an iem is better yet still use another person's review. Flavio mentions that he just simply likes the UM3x better, not giving a reason, yet you think this is enough of a justification that the UM3x is better. Sorry that can't cut it.
But here's a little support for my post, TsTarn06's quote above in reference to gameboy115's post, is a clear indication that I am not alone in wanting people to give more credible or at the very least a more detailed explaination to their comments. I think MaloS even asked at the beginning of the thread for folks to post up their comparisons based on other iem's since people hear them differently.
I know that there are a lot of examples where you, spyro, and others have given good examples comparing the UM3x to the se530's/tft pros etc.. but there are comments that just make me cringe when people end up making statements like theory 87's or gameboy115's. And Quite frankly your overestimation in that one post above is one of the main reasons why I posted the comment earlier, but I wasn't singling you out, there are certainly other head-fiers who have made statements without a reference point, which makes a lot of what they say a little harder to understand/accept.
All I'm saying is that its gonna keep getting confusing especially with the whole "newness" issue with the UM3x. And as others have mentioned, a lot of us don't want to get sucked into the FOTM craze like we did with the W3's. So if you and other guys who have bought the UM3x can tone things down a bit or at least make very clear and accurate responses/recommendations (based on other iems), then I think things would be easier for everyone. I actually didn't mean to single you out, the use of strong statements without comparisons is a common thing I've noticed on head-fi and Voltage's thread is quite frankly the biggest example of what I am referring to. I just dont want this thread to end up like that or the original W3 appreciation thread where there was a great deal of self denial/group denial before people finally started voicing how they really felt.
YMMV = your millage may vary
I stand firm by what I've said especially with my previous post, but I didn't attack or single out anyone in that post because I think a lot of us can be blamed for certain posts that we've made. I think in a lot of ways it would just be better for the community if we kept certain things in mind. Like every statement regarding an iem should be in reference to something else, because all of this is very subjective. Atleast if we know where people are coming from, we can have a more educated understanding of what they are saying.
